EPTMaybe went a little far with the racism and the threats, but he apologized, so as i said i think it should just be forgotten
Is it okay to say extreme stuff over game? - Page 19
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FusionMrWet
United States121 Posts
Maybe went a little far with the racism and the threats, but he apologized, so as i said i think it should just be forgotten | ||
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laweinhander
United States7 Posts
On September 27 2011 10:52 skatbone wrote: HwangSin, that was a mature response you issued. I hope this is sarcasm from harhar!. And if it is sarcasm, I don't find it funny. I have followed and refrained from posting in this thread but it's comments like these that push me over the edge. In the context of the United States, racism has been institutionalized. We still witness structural disadvantages for minority groups, including women, who, despite "equality between the sexes" earn less than men for doing the same jobs. Racism isn't just about the language we use. It's about the history of disenfranchisement and the many methods that dominant groups belittle, oppress, and repress marginalized groups. In the contemporary moment, one of the primary ways that racism functions is through the perpetuation of negative stereotypes. These stereotypes are routinely delivered in the form, "I'm not racist, but...". The "but" is followed by an outright racist sentiment or stereotype. Here's link to the work of these sociologists on the "I'm not racist, but" phenomenon: http://www.sociology.emory.edu/downloads/bonilla-silva_forman_2000_i\'m_not_a_racist_but.pdf In Spades case, he wrote an outright racial slur. I understand the "heat of the moment" argument. I understand the "people shit talk in sports" argument. It happens. So apologies are in order. I am all for these situation being resolved through apology. But it is a radicalized comment. It can't simply be excused because of the context or because of some people want to ignore the racial content. Furthermore, in SCII, we are dealing with the phenomenon of the written word. Shit TALK goes in one ear and out the other to the extent that it is not recorded. With SCII, shit talk is often WRITTEN and the shit talker leaves behind a written record. Imo, this written record only increases the burden on pros to be professional and to recognize the magnitude of the heat of the moment. As hate crime legislation continues to develop in the United States, we see a greater emphasis on taking people's motivations into account when they commit violent crimes. These motivations are measured, in part, by evidence of their racist tendencies.Take, for instance, the recent branding of a Navajo man in New Mexico, and the running-over of a black man in Mississippi. Both of these crimes were committed by white men/adolescents. Both of these are being prosecuted as hate crimes, and in both cases, the authorities have looked to the past of the assailants to gauge their racist tendencies. In doing so, they LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT PEOPLE USE as evidence of their capacity to commit a hate crime. tl;dr The fact the Spades would threaten violence and use a racial slur in the heat of the moment pushes a button that is not limited to sports and the SCII world. Rather, violence and racism are part of the pulse of the contemporary American attempt to re-evaluate crimes with regard to the level of racist-pre-meditation. Verbal threats and racial slurs begin to establish one as having the capacity to commit a hate crime. This isn't simply me being sensitive. This is the direction of U.S. law in the contemporary moment. Referring to "... the direction of U.S. law in the contemporary moment." is nothing more than an appeal to authority / majority (fallacious). Having "the capacity" to do something and doing something are totally different things. Saying something racist and actually being racist are also two totally different things. If we can agree Spades said something merely out of anger from being in the "heat of the moment" and is not in fact a racist, then I think you are totally blowing the situation out of proportion. If Spades is a racist, then how can one 'prove' this to the public. And if it could be proven, what should be done? | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:45 FusionMrWet wrote: This type of thing happens in ALL sports scenes simply not true There would absolute giant brawls every night if it were. edit: Wait, just to be clear. Are you saying white basketball players call black basketball players "nigger" on the court? And its just not that big of a deal? | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:52 iloveAthene wrote: simply not true There would absolute giant brawls every night if it were. Wait, just to be clear. Are you saying white basketball players call black basketball players "nigger" on the court? No, he is saying that a lot of trash talking takes place in sports, which is absolutely true. Don't put words in his mouth in an act of desperation to try and make a point. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: No, he is saying that a lot of trash talking takes place in sports, which is absolutely true. Don't put words in his mouth in an act of desperation to try and make a point. Yes, of course trash talk takes place. And what Spades said is way way beyond trash talk. That's the whole point. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:56 iloveAthene wrote: Yes, of course trash talk takes place. And what Spades said is way way beyond trash talk. That's the whole point. The person who you replied to never said anything about racial slurs, so I'll say it again, don't put words in his mouth. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On September 28 2011 12:02 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: The person who you replied to never said anything about racial slurs, so I'll say it again, don't put words in his mouth. Well he said "this type of thing". And since this thread for the most part is about a threat/racial slur typed by Spades I assumed that's what he is talking about. and don't tell me what to do bro | ||
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FusionMrWet
United States121 Posts
On September 28 2011 12:02 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: The person who you replied to never said anything about racial slurs, so I'll say it again, don't put words in his mouth. No, i didnt mean racial slurs, i meant trash talking and getting upset. Try to watch a professional football or basketball game today where one player doesnt shove another after the play or something like that, you couldnt, its part of the competitive nature and happens ALL the time. Who knows what 2 players are saying after the play in a football game when they are in each others faces and flags are being thrown. They could be using more racial slurs then rap music. And they physically put their hands on the other person, spades didnt. Does ESPN make a big deal? Nope, they just head to thier benches and it ends there. BTW thanks to everyone who understood what i was saying and didnt try to put words in my mouth. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:36 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ people classifying "I'll slap the shit of you at MLG you stupid gook" as mere shit talk or BM. It is quite clearly worse than those things. Your sports analogies are silly; if a black NBA player got called a nigger by another player on the court there would DEFINITELY be a fight and suspensions. Similarly, with the exception of football, sports shit talk doesn't usually involve violent threats. Spades crossed two lines in one sentence - hate speech and violent threats. Community criticism is well deserved. Well said.. I think people trying to downplay what he stated are crazy he really crossed the line.. Not acceptable..  | ||
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On September 28 2011 13:14 Lamphead wrote: you think if Kobe Bryant was talking trash with Lebron James in a 1v1 pickup game they would apologize to each other afterwards?!.. Racists remarks and telling someone you're going to physically assault them at an upcoming event isn't exactly 'trash talk' Are you trying to downplay what was said? | ||
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HTODethklok
United States221 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:36 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ people classifying "I'll slap the shit of you at MLG you stupid gook" as mere shit talk or BM. It is quite clearly worse than those things. Your sports analogies are silly; if a black NBA player got called a nigger by another player on the court there would DEFINITELY be a fight and suspensions. Similarly, with the exception of football, sports shit talk doesn't usually involve violent threats. Spades crossed two lines in one sentence - hate speech and violent threats. Community criticism is well deserved. Two people separated by many miles will talk way more shit than two people standing right in front of another. Put Spades in front of hwang and $100 says he dosnt do shit. Your right if someone in the NBA was called a racist name there would be a fight and if someone said anything similar at MLG guess what theres probably going to be a fight which is why they wouldnt say it at a lan or to their opponents face for that matter and if NBA games were played over the internet you better believe someone is dropping an N bomb on Michael Jordan. When it comes down to it all these tough talking BMers on the internet really cant back up the things they say when face to face with their opponent. Online when someones mad they say the meanest thing they can think of in real life they say they meanest thing they can get away with unless theyre looking for a fight. If someone is sensitive to language they can use the mature language filter in the game and even report someone who is harassing them. If the community wants this to stop then the community needs to stop paying so much attention to it. Words are only as powerful as we make them if no one hears them then your words are powerless. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
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preCurser
United States78 Posts
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On September 28 2011 14:13 Dbla08 wrote: im certain it's not acceptable to any sponsors spades has, but in professional sports they do too have somewhat similar reactions. to alot of people that are hxc baseball fans, im sure it seems very unprofessional to throw your helmet into a corner in the dugout after getting struck out, but they don't lose their contracts over it, ppl just need to take things into an accurate perspective instead of overreacting, speaking of the entire community, not just the players or just the spectators. throwing your helmet in the dugout? are you seriously comparing that to this? | ||
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FusionMrWet
United States121 Posts
On September 28 2011 14:18 iloveAthene wrote: throwing your helmet in the dugout? are you seriously comparing that to this? I wouldnt compare it to something a little more serious then this, but as i stated before i would compare it to 2 football players getting in each others face or a batter having some choice words but not charging the mound after being thrown a close to head pitch, people say dumb shit that they dnt mean wen they are mad. Honestly, how many times do you think when football players are in each others faces they dont say something along the lines of "im gonna f**k you up" or something like that? C'mon, it happens, nothing came of it, he apologized. Not a big deal. It shopuld be handled like any other sport, the coach, or in this case, sponsor, has a talk with the person and thats it. Nothing more. | ||
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FusionMrWet
United States121 Posts
On September 28 2011 12:51 XRaDiiX wrote: Well said.. I think people trying to downplay what he stated are crazy he really crossed the line.. Not acceptable.. To this comment, your wrong about the basketball thing. Many players such as Ron Artest and other players that are known for being jerks have admitted to throwing around "racial slurs" when they are pissed and to throw off other players game, weather he does it to his own race(african american) or another race, he still does it, no fights have happened involving him, push and shove, certainly, what sport doesnt do that? Also, Joakim Noah called a gay basketball player and a gay fan a "f*g" last season, no fights, got fined, by the next week, forgot about. Same deal here, suspend spades from mlg or something of that nature, and forget it next week. Dont get me wrong, im not defending his actions in any way, was it wrong, or course, should it be as big of a deal as its being made out to be, no. EVERYONE has said something they dont mean in anger, if you say you havnt, your lying. But because he said a "racial slur" its being blown waaay out of proportion. Also, everyone is saying "oh, he threatened him". If you consider ill slap the shit of you a threat, your a wimp, plain and simple. If he had said "ima kill you" or anything like that, its a threat, but "ill slap the shit out of you" is not a threat, i will admit to saying this exact phrase to ALL my friends on a daily basis. Is what he did acceptable, absolutely not, big deal, not all all. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
TL sure loves drama... | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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