Is it okay to say extreme stuff over game? - Page 18

On September 25 2011 17:13 RuMCaKe wrote:
I have spoken with Spades, and as the manager of ItsGoSu, and a friend of RGN, and Spades as well. I know this is just a misunderstanding. Tempers flared, some wrong things were said, it happens. No hard feelings on our end, and I hope that people can let it go. People make mistakes, I know I sure do, and I am sure everyone else here does as well. No hard feelings!

Spades, lets have a beer at Orlando

On September 26 2011 12:48 harhar! wrote:
i dont see whats wrong with a little bm and racism. i mwan he obviously doesnt mean it, so who cares...

On September 27 2011 07:53 awu25 wrote:
You clearly have never seen pro sports players trash talk each other, throw punches, etc. Spades would never think about doing that shit in person and I don't think anyone ever will. People say whatever they want behind their computers, can't believe you actually think it's a "threat"

Anyways, I would like to see Hwangsin kick his ass in the game at MLG

On September 27 2011 07:50 jmbnm wrote:



Ok, whatever, you Jew-killing Nazi. Hope you're not offended, because I don't really mean it. Nazi.

On September 28 2011 07:22 harhar! wrote:


i dont get the point you are trying to make. of course im not offended.

why is there so much drama over some words said in an onlinegame? they dont harm anyone.

Michael Jordan
In the ‘80s and ‘90s, trash talking was high art, and Michael Jordan was the king of the castle. In a game against the Denver Nuggets, Jordan stepped to the foul line and told rookie Dikembe Mutombo that he would shoot the free throw with his eyes closed. Before he did, he looked at Mutombo and said, “This one’s for you.” Then he closed his eyes, hit the shot and told Mutombo, “Welcome to the NBA.”

Throughout his career, Jordan craved a psychological edge, and trash talking helped him see opponents as potential victims that he could demoralize by winning both the game and the war of words. Most importantly, there was always a purpose to Jordan’s trash talking, as if predicting something was the catalyst he needed to just do it. The most humbling part for opponents must have been the trash-talking aftermath, when Jordan would get in his defender’s face with a big grin and recap the great move he had just made at their expense.

On September 28 2011 08:48 iloveAthene wrote:


Then do certain words harm anyone outside of games in real life? If not why is it illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany? thats just words too

On September 28 2011 10:15 harhar! wrote:


denying holocaust is illegal for rather "practical" reasons. the neonazis in germany are denying it because they want to picture the jews as liars, rehabilitate the national socialism by trivializing it and a couple of other reasons, which you can surely find on wikipedia.
so i can understand why they are banning it, even though it hurts the freedom of speech. i think in theory everyone should be able to say whatever he likes because if you start banning certain ideologies, its hard to tell when you are damaging democracy itself.

but this is the internet we are talking about. who really gives a shit if he gets bmed on ladder? im sure spades will apologize and everything will be fine, so why the drama?

On September 28 2011 10:39 Witten wrote:
It's fine to BM if you want to. It's in your first amendment rights. However, it is in our rights to look at Spades language and lose respect for him.

Just because Hwangsin beat you doesn't mean you should call him a gook.

On September 27 2011 10:52 skatbone wrote:
HwangSin, that was a mature response you issued.



I hope this is sarcasm from harhar!. And if it is sarcasm, I don't find it funny. I have followed and refrained from posting in this thread but it's comments like these that push me over the edge.

In the context of the United States, racism has been institutionalized. We still witness structural disadvantages for minority groups, including women, who, despite "equality between the sexes" earn less than men for doing the same jobs. Racism isn't just about the language we use. It's about the history of disenfranchisement and the many methods that dominant groups belittle, oppress, and repress marginalized groups.

In the contemporary moment, one of the primary ways that racism functions is through the perpetuation of negative stereotypes. These stereotypes are routinely delivered in the form, "I'm not racist, but...". The "but" is followed by an outright racist sentiment or stereotype. Here's link to the work of these sociologists on the "I'm not racist, but" phenomenon: http://www.sociology.emory.edu/downloads/bonilla-silva_forman_2000_i\'m_not_a_racist_but.pdf

In Spades case, he wrote an outright racial slur. I understand the "heat of the moment" argument. I understand the "people shit talk in sports" argument. It happens. So apologies are in order. I am all for these situation being resolved through apology. But it is a radicalized comment. It can't simply be excused because of the context or because of some people want to ignore the racial content.

Furthermore, in SCII, we are dealing with the phenomenon of the written word. Shit TALK goes in one ear and out the other to the extent that it is not recorded. With SCII, shit talk is often WRITTEN and the shit talker leaves behind a written record.

Imo, this written record only increases the burden on pros to be professional and to recognize the magnitude of the heat of the moment.

As hate crime legislation continues to develop in the United States, we see a greater emphasis on taking people's motivations into account when they commit violent crimes. These motivations are measured, in part, by evidence of their racist tendencies.Take, for instance, the recent branding of a Navajo man in New Mexico, and the running-over of a black man in Mississippi. Both of these crimes were committed by white men/adolescents. Both of these are being prosecuted as hate crimes, and in both cases, the authorities have looked to the past of the assailants to gauge their racist tendencies. In doing so, they LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT PEOPLE USE as evidence of their capacity to commit a hate crime.

tl;dr The fact the Spades would threaten violence and use a racial slur in the heat of the moment pushes a button that is not limited to sports and the SCII world. Rather, violence and racism are part of the pulse of the contemporary American attempt to re-evaluate crimes with regard to the level of racist-pre-meditation. Verbal threats and racial slurs begin to establish one as having the capacity to commit a hate crime. This isn't simply me being sensitive. This is the direction of U.S. law in the contemporary moment.