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I think it's Huk he is the only one that has REALL/Y mesured himself with the koreans and stand his ground.
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i don't see how dimaga is up so high. He is good but definitely not top level as Sen, Huk, Thorzani or Select.
I'd say the best foreigner right now is Sen, just remember NASL.
Also surprised to see select with so few votes.
Kas also shouldn't be on the list.
He is definitely top level but not close to be the "best foreigner"
Same with Ret, he had some good results and consistently top level but only below the others.
If i had to rank right now it would be
Sen
Huk
Thorzain/Select
Naniwa
Stephano/Mana
Idra/SaSe
Kas/Ret
Dimaga
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On September 28 2011 06:35 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:31 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 06:12 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:07 s4life wrote:On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home! ( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position! i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing! that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude! You have to do more than winning small tourneys and beating everyone on ladder runs.. otherwise Goody would probably have a good claim at being the best player in the world. Go to a big LAN, take games off top korean players in the main stage when stakes are high and nerves get the better of you.. that'll make you fans. none of the games i listed were ladder runs, and some of them were at lans i listed like 5 of the very top american players who got their asses handled to them by nerchio so what are you arguing against? i didn't say anything about fans or koreans. also plz tell me which NA players took games off top koreans, cuz the only one i can remember is select/demuslim vs tester which are not very good examples. and neither of them is from america We're all foreigners, the difference between NA and EU is like the difference between dogshit and catshit. It's still shit. not sure why you quoted me, but recently there definitely are a few players who are competitive at korean level (Thorzain, Stephano, Mana etc) there are very few of them, and they're mostly european born. the average skill level is still worse than in korea of course- but this thread is about individual players not the collective scene. and accounting those 3 individual players, Eu >>> Na LOL i love how everyone is mentioning thorzain/stephano/mana when they haven't even played in GSL, the number 1 league in the world. Thorzain played in it and couldn't even get past the first round LOL stop saying they are competitive at the korean level until they hit code a top 8 or higher. Sure they are good, but nerves and playing in front of tons of people is way different. Nestea sucks in everything BUT the GSL.
Tzain tried code A once after being in korea for like half a day, so not sure what your point is. we're still not talking about position in the korean system, we're talking about the skill level. stuff that aren't proven on paper are true sometimes you know
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home! ( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position! i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing! that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude! Can you not disagree with someone without being a dick about it? I never said that Nerchio wasn't good. I never said that Stephano wasn't good either. In fact, Americans seem remarkably willing to accept players from outside of America as the best, and to not really care that the best players aren't from the U.S. These days, a Korean always wins MLG, and Americans are always really excited to watch. My point is that you can't expect people who follow mainstream SC2 to know who is dominating online, in European online tournaments. If you want to convince people that you are the best foreigner in the WORLD, you have to do it on the world stage. Like I said earlier, if Stephano performs really well at IPL lan then more people will talk about him as the best foreigner. It's not like Stephano or Nerchio have won all of these lans in Europe. Dimaga won Assembly Summer. Mana was the top placing foreigner at IEM.
Wise words.
If only all gamers went to Korea, everything could be sorted there!
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On September 28 2011 06:44 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:35 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:31 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 06:12 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:07 s4life wrote:On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home! ( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position! i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing! that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude! You have to do more than winning small tourneys and beating everyone on ladder runs.. otherwise Goody would probably have a good claim at being the best player in the world. Go to a big LAN, take games off top korean players in the main stage when stakes are high and nerves get the better of you.. that'll make you fans. none of the games i listed were ladder runs, and some of them were at lans i listed like 5 of the very top american players who got their asses handled to them by nerchio so what are you arguing against? i didn't say anything about fans or koreans. also plz tell me which NA players took games off top koreans, cuz the only one i can remember is select/demuslim vs tester which are not very good examples. and neither of them is from america We're all foreigners, the difference between NA and EU is like the difference between dogshit and catshit. It's still shit. not sure why you quoted me, but recently there definitely are a few players who are competitive at korean level (Thorzain, Stephano, Mana etc) there are very few of them, and they're mostly european born. the average skill level is still worse than in korea of course- but this thread is about individual players not the collective scene. and accounting those 3 individual players, Eu >>> Na LOL i love how everyone is mentioning thorzain/stephano/mana when they haven't even played in GSL, the number 1 league in the world. Thorzain played in it and couldn't even get past the first round LOL stop saying they are competitive at the korean level until they hit code a top 8 or higher. Sure they are good, but nerves and playing in front of tons of people is way different. Nestea sucks in everything BUT the GSL. Tzain tried code A once after being in korea for like half a day, so not sure what your point is. we're still not talking about position in the korean system, we're talking about the skill level. stuff that aren't proven on paper are true sometimes you know
all i read was you said they can play at a competitive korean level ---->> GSL. And then i said they haven't even played in GSL and thorzain got owned when he did. And what does being in Korea for 1 and a half days have to do with anything? You said stephano/mana can play at that level, so your basically saying you don't need korean training to play at a korean competitive level.
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On September 28 2011 06:44 Reptilia wrote:
i don't see how dimaga is up so high. He is good but definitely not top level as Sen, Huk, Thorzani or Select.
I'd say the best foreigner right now is Sen, just remember NASL.
Also surprised to see select with so few votes.
Kas also shouldn't be on the list.
He is definitely top level but not close to be the "best foreigner"
Same with Ret, he had some good results and consistently top level but only below the others.
If i had to rank right now it would be
Sen
Huk
Thorzain/Select
Naniwa
Stephano/Mana
Idra/SaSe
Kas/Ret
Dimaga
Just watch Ret in the EU blizzard invitational. He destroyed Thorzain and Naniwa.
Best foreigner atm? I think HuK, his time in Korea really does him well.
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On September 28 2011 06:47 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:44 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:35 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:31 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 06:12 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:07 s4life wrote:On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home! ( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position! i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing! that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude! You have to do more than winning small tourneys and beating everyone on ladder runs.. otherwise Goody would probably have a good claim at being the best player in the world. Go to a big LAN, take games off top korean players in the main stage when stakes are high and nerves get the better of you.. that'll make you fans. none of the games i listed were ladder runs, and some of them were at lans i listed like 5 of the very top american players who got their asses handled to them by nerchio so what are you arguing against? i didn't say anything about fans or koreans. also plz tell me which NA players took games off top koreans, cuz the only one i can remember is select/demuslim vs tester which are not very good examples. and neither of them is from america We're all foreigners, the difference between NA and EU is like the difference between dogshit and catshit. It's still shit. not sure why you quoted me, but recently there definitely are a few players who are competitive at korean level (Thorzain, Stephano, Mana etc) there are very few of them, and they're mostly european born. the average skill level is still worse than in korea of course- but this thread is about individual players not the collective scene. and accounting those 3 individual players, Eu >>> Na LOL i love how everyone is mentioning thorzain/stephano/mana when they haven't even played in GSL, the number 1 league in the world. Thorzain played in it and couldn't even get past the first round LOL stop saying they are competitive at the korean level until they hit code a top 8 or higher. Sure they are good, but nerves and playing in front of tons of people is way different. Nestea sucks in everything BUT the GSL. Tzain tried code A once after being in korea for like half a day, so not sure what your point is. we're still not talking about position in the korean system, we're talking about the skill level. stuff that aren't proven on paper are true sometimes you know all i read was you said they can play at a competitive korean level ---->> GSL. And then i said they haven't even played in GSL and thorzain got owned when he did. And what does being in Korea for 1 and a half days have to do with anything? You said stephano/mana can play at that level, so your basically saying you don't need korean training to play at a korean competitive level.
those guys beat some koreans at tournaments- that's why i said they're competitive at korean level. we all know thorzain 2-3 vs drg, 3-1 vs hero, Mana's record against puma/nada, stephano vs mma/mkp
but i sense you're implying that if a person doesn't fly 20 hours to korea, doesn't qualify for code s in like a few months, doesn't live in korea etc, then he cannot regularry beat koreans, which i find a little odd.
that's like saying if if i can lift 300 kg in europe i'm not really strong until i fly to a strongman competition in america and lift those 300 kgs there, which is clearly not the brightest thought ever
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Anyone who doesn't mention MaNa is silly
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On September 28 2011 06:53 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:47 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:44 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:35 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:31 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 06:12 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:07 s4life wrote:On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home! ( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position! i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing! that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude! You have to do more than winning small tourneys and beating everyone on ladder runs.. otherwise Goody would probably have a good claim at being the best player in the world. Go to a big LAN, take games off top korean players in the main stage when stakes are high and nerves get the better of you.. that'll make you fans. none of the games i listed were ladder runs, and some of them were at lans i listed like 5 of the very top american players who got their asses handled to them by nerchio so what are you arguing against? i didn't say anything about fans or koreans. also plz tell me which NA players took games off top koreans, cuz the only one i can remember is select/demuslim vs tester which are not very good examples. and neither of them is from america We're all foreigners, the difference between NA and EU is like the difference between dogshit and catshit. It's still shit. not sure why you quoted me, but recently there definitely are a few players who are competitive at korean level (Thorzain, Stephano, Mana etc) there are very few of them, and they're mostly european born. the average skill level is still worse than in korea of course- but this thread is about individual players not the collective scene. and accounting those 3 individual players, Eu >>> Na LOL i love how everyone is mentioning thorzain/stephano/mana when they haven't even played in GSL, the number 1 league in the world. Thorzain played in it and couldn't even get past the first round LOL stop saying they are competitive at the korean level until they hit code a top 8 or higher. Sure they are good, but nerves and playing in front of tons of people is way different. Nestea sucks in everything BUT the GSL. Tzain tried code A once after being in korea for like half a day, so not sure what your point is. we're still not talking about position in the korean system, we're talking about the skill level. stuff that aren't proven on paper are true sometimes you know all i read was you said they can play at a competitive korean level ---->> GSL. And then i said they haven't even played in GSL and thorzain got owned when he did. And what does being in Korea for 1 and a half days have to do with anything? You said stephano/mana can play at that level, so your basically saying you don't need korean training to play at a korean competitive level. those guys beat some koreans at tournaments- that's why i said they're competitive at korean level. we all know thorzain 2-3 vs drg, 3-1 vs hero, Mana's record against puma/nada, stephano vs mma/mkp but i sense you're implying that if a person doesn't fly 20 hours to korea, doesn't qualify for code s in like a few months, doesn't live in korea etc, then he cannot regularry beat koreans, which i find a little odd. that's like saying if if i can lift 300 kg in europe i'm not really strong until i fly to a strongman competition in america and lift those 300 kgs there, which is clearly not the brightest thought ever
Beating someone in ladder or in some random online event isn't the same as beating someone in the GSL. I don't think this is hard to understand.
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I really don't understand why TL let's these popularity contest threads exist
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On September 28 2011 06:57 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:53 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:47 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:44 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:35 koolaid1990 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:31 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 06:12 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 06:07 s4life wrote:On September 28 2011 05:54 msjakofsky wrote:
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so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home!
( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position!
i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing!
that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude!
You have to do more than winning small tourneys and beating everyone on ladder runs.. otherwise Goody would probably have a good claim at being the best player in the world. Go to a big LAN, take games off top korean players in the main stage when stakes are high and nerves get the better of you.. that'll make you fans. none of the games i listed were ladder runs, and some of them were at lans i listed like 5 of the very top american players who got their asses handled to them by nerchio so what are you arguing against? i didn't say anything about fans or koreans. also plz tell me which NA players took games off top koreans, cuz the only one i can remember is select/demuslim vs tester which are not very good examples. and neither of them is from america We're all foreigners, the difference between NA and EU is like the difference between dogshit and catshit. It's still shit. not sure why you quoted me, but recently there definitely are a few players who are competitive at korean level (Thorzain, Stephano, Mana etc) there are very few of them, and they're mostly european born. the average skill level is still worse than in korea of course- but this thread is about individual players not the collective scene. and accounting those 3 individual players, Eu >>> Na LOL i love how everyone is mentioning thorzain/stephano/mana when they haven't even played in GSL, the number 1 league in the world. Thorzain played in it and couldn't even get past the first round LOL stop saying they are competitive at the korean level until they hit code a top 8 or higher. Sure they are good, but nerves and playing in front of tons of people is way different. Nestea sucks in everything BUT the GSL. Tzain tried code A once after being in korea for like half a day, so not sure what your point is. we're still not talking about position in the korean system, we're talking about the skill level. stuff that aren't proven on paper are true sometimes you know all i read was you said they can play at a competitive korean level ---->> GSL. And then i said they haven't even played in GSL and thorzain got owned when he did. And what does being in Korea for 1 and a half days have to do with anything? You said stephano/mana can play at that level, so your basically saying you don't need korean training to play at a korean competitive level. those guys beat some koreans at tournaments- that's why i said they're competitive at korean level. we all know thorzain 2-3 vs drg, 3-1 vs hero, Mana's record against puma/nada, stephano vs mma/mkp but i sense you're implying that if a person doesn't fly 20 hours to korea, doesn't qualify for code s in like a few months, doesn't live in korea etc, then he cannot regularry beat koreans, which i find a little odd. that's like saying if if i can lift 300 kg in europe i'm not really strong until i fly to a strongman competition in america and lift those 300 kgs there, which is clearly not the brightest thought ever Beating someone in ladder or in some random online event isn't the same as beating someone in the GSL. I don't think this is hard to understand.
some of Thorzains games were at valencia
Mana beat nada and huk at assembly
so basicly you're just not recognising Stephano there cuz that was an online event
but hey, we're still talking about skill level, not accomplishments in the gsl, that's not too hard to understand either.
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I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing"
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On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing"
some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional.
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On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional.
It's basically custom games, and who did Destiny beat online? Yeah, and who's saying Destiny is the best because he beat Koreans online? Online is nearly useless, unless someone adds Destiny to the list of best foreigners.
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On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional.
It's also simple fact. Being live in person in a booth brings an enormous amount of pressure and some people can't play their best in that situation. Playing online across regions always brings the extra factor of 1-2 delays worth of lag which can make or break every single engagement and game.
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I think people need to realize its not counterstrike we are playing. Big online tournaments with several thousands of dollars as price pool... do mean something. Ofcourse smaller online cups and tournaments don't mean AS much, but if you constantly beat top EU players in those tournaments it does mean something.
Once again, its probably not as much as winning a major tournament on LAN like MLG, but you can definately make a statement about how good of a player someone is.
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On September 28 2011 07:13 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional. It's basically custom games, and who did Destiny beat online? Yeah, and who's saying Destiny is the best because he beat Koreans online? Online is nearly useless, unless someone adds Destiny to the list of best foreigners.
so one best of 3 proves everything? it might be true that some players don't take those seriously though. but it certainly is not true for everyone. also if you wanna talk about that particular series you could also mention that tvz is boomers worst matchup and destiny's style probably caught him offguard.
99% if the people just use this "argument" to defend a player who they're fans of.
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On September 28 2011 07:20 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:13 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional. It's basically custom games, and who did Destiny beat online? Yeah, and who's saying Destiny is the best because he beat Koreans online? Online is nearly useless, unless someone adds Destiny to the list of best foreigners. so one best of 3 proves everything? it might be true that some players don't take those seriously though. but it certainly is not true for everyone. also if you wanna talk about that particular series you could also mention that tvz is boomers worst matchup and destiny's style probably caught him offguard. 99% if the people just use this "argument" to defend a player who they're fans of.
Destiny beat Bomber, he is a consistent Code S Terran and his TvZ is fine, he beat DRG (who says DRG's ZvT is perfect? Uhm everyone) and CoCa and Raleigh. So when Destiny is on the list of best foreigners, I'll start to care about online results.
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On September 28 2011 07:13 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional. It's also simple fact. Being live in person in a booth brings an enormous amount of pressure and some people can't play their best in that situation. Playing online across regions always brings the extra factor of 1-2 delays worth of lag which can make or break every single engagement and game.
yeah cross server lag matters of course. and also we know that lan is different from online in many ways, that's obvious, nobody is arguing about that.
however that argument that if i can lift 300 kg at home, i am not strong until i lift it in front of 10000 people... is still strange to me.
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On September 28 2011 07:23 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:20 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 07:13 Hnnngg wrote:On September 28 2011 07:06 msjakofsky wrote:On September 28 2011 07:05 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
I don't get all the "olol online game means nothing" some people imply that players don't care/play worse at online/foreign events which is simply disrespectful and delusional. It's basically custom games, and who did Destiny beat online? Yeah, and who's saying Destiny is the best because he beat Koreans online? Online is nearly useless, unless someone adds Destiny to the list of best foreigners. so one best of 3 proves everything? it might be true that some players don't take those seriously though. but it certainly is not true for everyone. also if you wanna talk about that particular series you could also mention that tvz is boomers worst matchup and destiny's style probably caught him offguard. 99% if the people just use this "argument" to defend a player who they're fans of. Destiny beat Bomber, he is a consistent Code S Terran and his TvZ is fine, he beat DRG (who says DRG's ZvT is perfect? Uhm everyone) and CoCa and Raleigh. So when Destiny is on the list of best foreigners, I'll start to care about online results.
Bomber's tvz improved a lot, and he could still be caught offguard by an unique style, also he's known to be messing around in games so chances that he did not take those games seriously.
but saying that 2 games that one single player played tell everything about like gazillion other games by other players... is a little bit strange.
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