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On September 27 2011 21:15 MorroW wrote:
this poll would have probably been better broken down to all 3 races with 1 poll for each race. "who is the best foreigner zerg" etc
then we wouldnt need 2 extra polls to see whos missing or who takes up spot undeserving
plus its probably gonna remove bias votes of protosses only voting on protoss in this poll or zergs only voting on zergs
Exactly, I doubt it's a coincidence that terran, zerg, and protoss all have around 33% total votes.
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I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S. Also Zerg would probably be Sheth right now, but i haven't seen sen or euro-zergs play in a while becouse mostly what i watch are MLG and GSL.
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GSL isn't everything.
and Sheth ????§§§§§ are you for real ?? indeed you haven't seen euro zergs, but maybe you did see sheth play vs steph on the sheth-destiny charitative stream event ?
stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.
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On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?
anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa
Naniwa has lost so many games because of sloppy play I wouldn't put him even in the top 5. Since going to korea I think his level of play has actually fallen pretty drastically. Maybe I missed some games but the ones I saw were not too pretty.
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stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
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voted Thorzain -> he's awesome and im a biased Swede
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It's easily Thorzain for me.
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On September 27 2011 21:55 Jacob666 wrote:
I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S
Well by that token Huk would be better than DRG too, since he actually got into Code S through Code A, and has been there much longer.
I'm not arguing Huk isn't one of the very best foreigners, because I certainly think he is up there. But you can't simply look at his GSL status compared to others and use that as a definite statement of his superiority. Especially not without taking into account at what time and under what circumstances he got there, or others failed to. The simple fact that he hasn't, in the last few months, gotten results that support the idea that anyone in Code S is clearly better than anyone who isn't should be enough for most to see that. And I'm not suggesting that his results in recent months have been anywhere close to bad, just to make that clear.
Anyway, I could't vote for anyone right now. The foreign scene is too spread out for me to get a good enough feel of who's the very best. At most I could probably narrow it down to 2-4 players per race.
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ThorZaiN has my respect. he's amazing :D I love his decision making.
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ThorZain's both terran and Swedish, how can he not be the clear favorite?
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On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it. I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Europe has a lot of LANs. Dreamhack, Assembly, IEM, who all have bigger pricepools than MLG. IEM and Dreamhack have Koreans, too. It might be true that MLG has the best field of players in foreign events. But you can't call them small meaningless LANs.
I understand if you no motivation to watch European (online) tournaments. But please don't judge about players then, who never played MLG or GSL.
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MLG cashprize is a big joke indeed
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where the hell is Whitera? :|
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On September 28 2011 03:08 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:55 Jacob666 wrote:
I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S Well by that token Huk would be better than DRG too, since he actually got into Code S through Code A, and has been there much longer. I'm not arguing Huk isn't one of the very best foreigners, because I certainly think he is up there. But you can't simply look at his GSL status compared to others and use that as a definite statement of his superiority. Especially not without taking into account at what time and under what circumstances he got there, or others failed to. The simple fact that he hasn't, in the last few months, gotten results that support the idea that anyone in Code S is clearly better than anyone who isn't should be enough for most to see that. And I'm not suggesting that his results in recent months have been anywhere close to bad, just to make that clear. Anyway, I could't vote for anyone right now. The foreign scene is too spread out for me to get a good enough feel of who's the very best. At most I could probably narrow it down to 2-4 players per race.
huk was seeded into code A, and not based on tournament results like other foreigners, gom made a thread on teamliquid and some people said "seed huk cuz i like him" so gom seeded him. i think he probably wouldn't have ever qualified through the 4 step brackets that the qualifiers are. also he usually has very lucky brackets and is demolished by the first decent vp oppenent. he has a 45% winrate in korea... also Thorzain beat him in 2 series with macro games.
his code s status is nice but i think Thorzain is just a better player. the poll is not about "who's status is higher in the korean system", best foreigner = most skilled foreigner. Huk is very mortal to foreigners, as we all could see recently. just like DRG was a better zerg than check when Check was in code S and DRG was in code B- code S status is not everything.
but separated by races: Thorzain certainly for terran (major/select 2nd)
also to the poster who said Sheth is the best foreigner zerg, i think Nerchio/Stephano are certainly better, and ret 2nd
protoss: imo Mana is 1st, and Huk 2nd. Mana is consistently beating Puma, he beat Rain, Nada, Thorzain he beat huk in pvp.. that kid has got a hell of a potential. kinda like a protoss version of Stephano/Nerchio
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On September 28 2011 03:25 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it. I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods? Europe has a lot of LANs. Dreamhack, Assembly, IEM, who all have bigger pricepools than MLG. IEM and Dreamhack have Koreans, too. It might be true that MLG has the best field of players in foreign events. But you can't call them small meaningless LANs. I understand if you no motivation to watch European (online) tournaments. But please don't judge about players then, who never played MLG or GSL.
I know about Dreamhack, IEM and Assembly, but most people are talking about Stephano and Nerchio, neither of whom have gotten to the finals of those tournaments, as far as I know. Stephano got to the semifinals of Assembly and Nerchio got 6th, I think, at the most recent IEM. That's good but it doesn't all of a sudden make me think of them as "the best" foreigners.
You would only get that impression if you watched the smaller European tournaments. My argument is that North Americans don't watch those tournaments, not because they're just lazy or too biased towards Americans, but because they don't have much of a reason to.
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On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it. I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods? Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
I can understand that you don't want to follow the EU scene closely. But how come you think you can have a justified opinion on this matter if you don't? That's like someone posting in a thread about the best player in the world and voting for Stephano because he has no interest in watching GSL (or any other tourny with a good amount of top Koreans in it) ever.
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Dimaga of course cause he's always exciting and also easily capable of beating anyone
antivote for Ret  sorry buddy, but love july's style of zergs and ur is 100% opposite, not exciting\
also where's White-Ra? o_O
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Mothership rush epicness has made me very biased towards HuK.
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I dont understand why SaSe only has 1% votes. He is the best foreigner, MKP even said so himself. Go watch his stream once in a while, T-Zain stands chance
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