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Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
September 27 2011 12:53 GMT
#1021
On September 27 2011 21:15 MorroW wrote:
this poll would have probably been better broken down to all 3 races with 1 poll for each race. "who is the best foreigner zerg" etc

then we wouldnt need 2 extra polls to see whos missing or who takes up spot undeserving

plus its probably gonna remove bias votes of protosses only voting on protoss in this poll or zergs only voting on zergs

Exactly, I doubt it's a coincidence that terran, zerg, and protoss all have around 33% total votes.
Jacob666
Profile Joined January 2011
United States285 Posts
September 27 2011 12:55 GMT
#1022
I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S. Also Zerg would probably be Sheth right now, but i haven't seen sen or euro-zergs play in a while becouse mostly what i watch are MLG and GSL.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
September 27 2011 13:38 GMT
#1023
GSL isn't everything.

and Sheth ????§§§§§ are you for real ?? indeed you haven't seen euro zergs, but maybe you did see sheth play vs steph on the sheth-destiny charitative stream event ?

stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 14:14:56
September 27 2011 14:14 GMT
#1024
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa

Naniwa has lost so many games because of sloppy play I wouldn't put him even in the top 5. Since going to korea I think his level of play has actually fallen pretty drastically. Maybe I missed some games but the ones I saw were not too pretty.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 27 2011 17:26 GMT
#1025
stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.


I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?

Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.

Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 27 2011 17:28 GMT
#1026
voted Thorzain -> he's awesome and im a biased Swede
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 27 2011 17:28 GMT
#1027
It's easily Thorzain for me.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
September 27 2011 18:08 GMT
#1028
On September 27 2011 21:55 Jacob666 wrote:
I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S


Well by that token Huk would be better than DRG too, since he actually got into Code S through Code A, and has been there much longer.

I'm not arguing Huk isn't one of the very best foreigners, because I certainly think he is up there. But you can't simply look at his GSL status compared to others and use that as a definite statement of his superiority. Especially not without taking into account at what time and under what circumstances he got there, or others failed to. The simple fact that he hasn't, in the last few months, gotten results that support the idea that anyone in Code S is clearly better than anyone who isn't should be enough for most to see that. And I'm not suggesting that his results in recent months have been anywhere close to bad, just to make that clear.

Anyway, I could't vote for anyone right now. The foreign scene is too spread out for me to get a good enough feel of who's the very best. At most I could probably narrow it down to 2-4 players per race.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
September 27 2011 18:09 GMT
#1029
ThorZaiN has my respect. he's amazing :D I love his decision making.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
September 27 2011 18:14 GMT
#1030
ThorZain's both terran and Swedish, how can he not be the clear favorite?
@Munck
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 27 2011 18:25 GMT
#1031
On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.


I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?


Europe has a lot of LANs. Dreamhack, Assembly, IEM, who all have bigger pricepools than MLG. IEM and Dreamhack have Koreans, too. It might be true that MLG has the best field of players in foreign events. But you can't call them small meaningless LANs.
I understand if you no motivation to watch European (online) tournaments. But please don't judge about players then, who never played MLG or GSL.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
September 27 2011 18:48 GMT
#1032
MLG cashprize is a big joke indeed
luke3920
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom182 Posts
September 27 2011 18:52 GMT
#1033
where the hell is Whitera? :|
Not write me more about balance, or next time i kick you ass
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
September 27 2011 18:53 GMT
#1034
On September 28 2011 03:08 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 21:55 Jacob666 wrote:
I don't get how anyone can name anyone other than Huk, i don't see thorzain in Code S. Thorzain is the best foreign terran no doubt, but when it comes to overall Huk is the only one in Code S


Well by that token Huk would be better than DRG too, since he actually got into Code S through Code A, and has been there much longer.

I'm not arguing Huk isn't one of the very best foreigners, because I certainly think he is up there. But you can't simply look at his GSL status compared to others and use that as a definite statement of his superiority. Especially not without taking into account at what time and under what circumstances he got there, or others failed to. The simple fact that he hasn't, in the last few months, gotten results that support the idea that anyone in Code S is clearly better than anyone who isn't should be enough for most to see that. And I'm not suggesting that his results in recent months have been anywhere close to bad, just to make that clear.

Anyway, I could't vote for anyone right now. The foreign scene is too spread out for me to get a good enough feel of who's the very best. At most I could probably narrow it down to 2-4 players per race.


huk was seeded into code A, and not based on tournament results like other foreigners, gom made a thread on teamliquid and some people said "seed huk cuz i like him" so gom seeded him. i think he probably wouldn't have ever qualified through the 4 step brackets that the qualifiers are. also he usually has very lucky brackets and is demolished by the first decent vp oppenent. he has a 45% winrate in korea... also Thorzain beat him in 2 series with macro games.

his code s status is nice but i think Thorzain is just a better player. the poll is not about "who's status is higher in the korean system", best foreigner = most skilled foreigner. Huk is very mortal to foreigners, as we all could see recently. just like DRG was a better zerg than check when Check was in code S and DRG was in code B- code S status is not everything.

but separated by races: Thorzain certainly for terran (major/select 2nd)

also to the poster who said Sheth is the best foreigner zerg, i think Nerchio/Stephano are certainly better, and ret 2nd

protoss: imo Mana is 1st, and Huk 2nd. Mana is consistently beating Puma, he beat Rain, Nada, Thorzain he beat huk in pvp.. that kid has got a hell of a potential. kinda like a protoss version of Stephano/Nerchio
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 27 2011 18:56 GMT
#1035
On September 28 2011 03:25 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.


I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?


Europe has a lot of LANs. Dreamhack, Assembly, IEM, who all have bigger pricepools than MLG. IEM and Dreamhack have Koreans, too. It might be true that MLG has the best field of players in foreign events. But you can't call them small meaningless LANs.
I understand if you no motivation to watch European (online) tournaments. But please don't judge about players then, who never played MLG or GSL.


I know about Dreamhack, IEM and Assembly, but most people are talking about Stephano and Nerchio, neither of whom have gotten to the finals of those tournaments, as far as I know. Stephano got to the semifinals of Assembly and Nerchio got 6th, I think, at the most recent IEM. That's good but it doesn't all of a sudden make me think of them as "the best" foreigners.

You would only get that impression if you watched the smaller European tournaments. My argument is that North Americans don't watch those tournaments, not because they're just lazy or too biased towards Americans, but because they don't have much of a reason to.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 27 2011 19:07 GMT
#1036
Dimaga of course!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
September 27 2011 20:30 GMT
#1037
On September 28 2011 02:26 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
stop watching only gsl and mlg, that is narrowing your vision. Saying sheth is probably the best foreign z just shows it.


I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?

Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.


I can understand that you don't want to follow the EU scene closely. But how come you think you can have a justified opinion on this matter if you don't? That's like someone posting in a thread about the best player in the world and voting for Stephano because he has no interest in watching GSL (or any other tourny with a good amount of top Koreans in it) ever.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 20:36:23
September 27 2011 20:35 GMT
#1038
Dimaga of course cause he's always exciting and also easily capable of beating anyone

antivote for Ret sorry buddy, but love july's style of zergs and ur is 100% opposite, not exciting\

also where's White-Ra? o_O
No carpal tunnel no skill
Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
September 27 2011 20:35 GMT
#1039
Mothership rush epicness has made me very biased towards HuK.
cscarfo1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States307 Posts
September 27 2011 20:52 GMT
#1040
I dont understand why SaSe only has 1% votes. He is the best foreigner, MKP even said so himself. Go watch his stream once in a while, T-Zain stands chance
RIP oGs :( Bisu~ MC~Jaedong~Hero~Tyler~Flash~NaNi~DRG~MVP~Nestea~FXOz~and of course ForGG
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