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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
September 27 2011 05:31 GMT
#1001
On September 27 2011 14:09 sickoota wrote:
Thorzain is the best at the moment but not living in Korea his skill will begin to diminish (see rain), while at the same time HuK has time to refocus and practice and SaSe, Sjow, Nani, Select ect. are all hungry as hell, so I don't see him holding that position for very long.


If anything Rain is performing better since he moved to NY, happiness means a lot, and living near family apparently means more for Rain then living in a team house.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
September 27 2011 05:40 GMT
#1002
On September 27 2011 13:02 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:17 Gackt_ wrote:
On September 27 2011 08:29 Phobbers wrote:
On September 27 2011 08:21 Gackt_ wrote:
I honestly cant see how people can rate Thorzain and Huk as better players than Sen. :S

Sure he hasnt been into alot of international tournaments compared to the others but he is probably the one who can beat most of the top koreans out of all those people on the list that you can vote for.


Not to take anything away from Sen, I feel he is an incredible player, but he just hasn't had too many results. There are only two large results that he has put up, and those being, 3rd at NASL which was quite some time ago and then his first place finish at the TW B.net invitational, and the only "true" way to really judge the caliber and skill of a player is through lans.


Sen's stream should be enough tbh. He constantly plays vs koreans on the ladder since he is on the TW/KR server obviously, meeting people like leenock, alica, seed, yoda etc

He was actually in GSL season 2, Sc2 was pretty new but still, he lost to NesTea in 2 very very close games, the season were NesTea won his first GSL.

I would say Sen is the best Zerg out there after NesTea, Losira and DRG. His skills are similar to Leenock's but not the same style. Total baller!


Ladder means nothing, I mean look at Nestea, his ladder account is still in masters, but does that mean he is a terrible player compared to someone who is in GM? No. Pertaining to your GSL season 2 comment, Idra was the only non-korean to qualify for all three seasons, does that mean he gets uber points for being best player in world !!11!1! No. Once again, I don't wish to take anything away from Sen, I think he is an amazing player, but I view him in the same scenario that people view Stephano, a fair amount of hype coupled with the fact of decent results, but overall he lacks representation at lans, which is the true area to deem if someone is a true "boss" or not.


Sen didnt try to qualify more than once (and he made it). The ladder doesnt mean alot, we all know that, but still, it's practice for some people that are Code B and A players. His stream says enough, when he outplayed MC but lost unlucky on NASL said enough about Sen's skills.

He lives in a country which got it's own proleague that TL.net rarely covers and makes money out of it. He doesnt need more and obviously then dont travel alot and playing in other offline tournaments which is sad for us, but that doesnt mean he is worse than likes as Thorzain or Huk. Like if you can see what true skill is, you know he got it and I would say just by watching replays of them all he got more shit in his luggage even tho the others are good players aswell.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 27 2011 09:33 GMT
#1003
On September 27 2011 11:20 ComaDose wrote:
I voted for huk over thorzain. I'd like to see that match tho.
I also voted for white-ra over IdrA ;p
I'd like to see that game too tho.

They've played twice in the past two weeks (2xBO3), so you can.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
AdriftSC
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden66 Posts
September 27 2011 10:01 GMT
#1004
Thorzain!
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
September 27 2011 10:05 GMT
#1005
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
September 27 2011 10:31 GMT
#1006
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa


u can say the same thing about major...
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
September 27 2011 10:45 GMT
#1007
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

Just go on their respective TLpedia pages, and you will see that Stephano actually has more achievements despite being a full-time pro gamer for much less time.
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
September 27 2011 10:49 GMT
#1008
On September 27 2011 19:31 OzVelas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa


u can say the same thing about major...



you could take Stephanos IPL qualification and Majors Huge MLG run. both are very strong players but not the best foreigners.


i voted for thorzain, if he would practice as much as huk practices, he could easily the first foreign GSL winner imo.
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
September 27 2011 10:54 GMT
#1009
I picked Huk because this year....He has won a couple of big tourneys in Europe....also he went pretty far in Code S a couple of times....(and thats even more impressive)
But if i look at how ppl are playing (strategy wise, mechanincs etc) I would put a couple of players ahead of Huk (Stephano, Sen etc). But they havent won anything major yet......just have to wait and see...
Im just a zerg
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
September 27 2011 11:00 GMT
#1010
white-ra missing as well..
but there's sase in it o.O

this list is really bad lol
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 11:19:14
September 27 2011 11:17 GMT
#1011
On September 27 2011 19:49 MyLastSerenade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 19:31 OzVelas wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa


u can say the same thing about major...



you could take Stephanos IPL qualification and Majors Huge MLG run. both are very strong players but not the best foreigners.

16th and 45th at MLG ? Is it even noteworthy ?

Major is good, but giving him credit for that is seriously overrating MLG.
ForlornHope
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 11:37:18
September 27 2011 11:35 GMT
#1012
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MSI_Pro_Cup_2
Mana 2-0 Stephano ( who said Mana PvZ suck?!?!?) and only lost to elfi because of PvP. Other side of bracket Thorzain lost 1-2 to HasuObs agian which is very weird if you recall the dreamhack Summer (THorzain lost 1-2 to HasuObs) and the IPL where he lost ( 0-2 to Mana) i think Thorzain s' teamates have his number. And on to Nerchio would have been more interesting if he faced Mana but before that 2-0 Strelok, Kas and Hasu who 2-1 Dimaga is pretty sick.

PS: the lineup was so sick for a monthly cup
Mass Marine
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 12:10:40
September 27 2011 12:09 GMT
#1013
On September 27 2011 09:18 inamorato wrote:

oreign Bonjwa? What are you talking about? Nerchio? Stephano? Mana? I don't even want you to ever use the word Bonjwa again because you clearly don't understand the meaning. Regardless of you stating future or not.

MaNa showed some tournaments? What offline tournaments? HSC cup 2 where it was like 4 people and he got silver losing to Naniwa.

WHAT HAS STEPHANO done? It seems like so much of this community has this inpenetrable foreign ego complex that they're unable to accept reality. WHO CARES. As of right now, all of the players you mentioned have done absolutely next to nothing in offline tournaments. NOTHING.

You come to this forum and learn words like bonjwa, metagame, etc and you just toss them around like you're familiar, which your clearly not.

edit: there's so many post's that I could focus in on but it would be completely irrelevant, 99% of the forum knows more about this game than the next guy. so there's no room for discussions, just people bashing their face off the keyboard until you accept "their" reality.



yeah and you clearly have no clue about the EU level. Mana, Nerchio and Stephano have a beasty level, but you didn t see them play in your MLG or GSL so clearly you don't realize how good they are.

But np go back wanking on idra stream.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
September 27 2011 12:12 GMT
#1014
On September 27 2011 20:35 ForlornHope wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MSI_Pro_Cup_2
Mana 2-0 Stephano ( who said Mana PvZ suck?!?!?) and only lost to elfi because of PvP. Other side of bracket Thorzain lost 1-2 to HasuObs agian which is very weird if you recall the dreamhack Summer (THorzain lost 1-2 to HasuObs) and the IPL where he lost ( 0-2 to Mana) i think Thorzain s' teamates have his number. And on to Nerchio would have been more interesting if he faced Mana but before that 2-0 Strelok, Kas and Hasu who 2-1 Dimaga is pretty sick.

PS: the lineup was so sick for a monthly cup

Nope , he lost because Elfi > Mana in PvP
Holy check.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
September 27 2011 12:12 GMT
#1015
Idra is best here imo.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 12:21:24
September 27 2011 12:15 GMT
#1016
this poll would have probably been better broken down to all 3 races with 1 poll for each race. "who is the best foreigner zerg" etc

then we wouldnt need 2 extra polls to see whos missing or who takes up spot undeserving

plus its probably gonna remove bias votes of protosses only voting on protoss in this poll or zergs only voting on zergs
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
September 27 2011 12:17 GMT
#1017
Yeah i do agree with morrow
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
September 27 2011 12:26 GMT
#1018
On September 27 2011 21:15 MorroW wrote:
this poll would have probably been better broken down to all 3 races with 1 poll for each race. "who is the best foreigner zerg" etc

then we wouldnt need 2 extra polls to see whos missing or who takes up spot undeserving

plus its probably gonna remove bias votes of protosses only voting on protoss in this poll or zergs only voting on zergs



But where would be the fun in that? :D
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 27 2011 12:29 GMT
#1019
On September 27 2011 21:15 MorroW wrote:
this poll would have probably been better broken down to all 3 races with 1 poll for each race. "who is the best foreigner zerg" etc

then we wouldnt need 2 extra polls to see whos missing or who takes up spot undeserving

plus its probably gonna remove bias votes of protosses only voting on protoss in this poll or zergs only voting on zergs

nah just put Europeans there
Stork[gm]
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
September 27 2011 12:47 GMT
#1020
On September 27 2011 19:49 MyLastSerenade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 19:31 OzVelas wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:05 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but why is stephano on the list and major is missing ?
what did stephano win/accomplish ? ?_?

anyway i would have voted for major but since he's missing i will go with
1st thorzain
2nd naniwa


u can say the same thing about major...



you could take Stephanos IPL qualification and Majors Huge MLG run. both are very strong players but not the best foreigners.


i voted for thorzain, if he would practice as much as huk practices, he could easily the first foreign GSL winner imo.


GSL winner? That's a bit extreme tbh. There have only been 5 different GSL winners. Mvp, Nestea, MC(his former self), Polt are all much better than Thorzain. You say if he practices as much as Huk he can win a GSL, but with all that practice Huk is still in the bottom tier of Code S players in regards to talent.

Debating on who the best foreigner is is fun and everything, but comparing them to Top Koreans is quite extreme.
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