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On September 23 2011 14:56 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 14:51 Brotocol wrote:On September 23 2011 14:46 Rorschach wrote:On September 23 2011 14:23 Brotocol wrote: I don't get how blink nerf, justified as "we felt blink all-in was a little too much," can coexist with 1-1-1 not getting straight up nerfed.
How is blink rush is too much when 1-1-1's mere existence is almost an auto-win in TvP.
Priorities. I personally never thought blink timings were all that great (maybe in lower leagues?) and the same line of thought you had about the 1-1-1 is what went through my head........ Well, it's apparently really really urgent for Blizzard to nerf it. But for 1-1-1... "try using immortals kthx." edit: Yea, I'm becoming a little bit bitter. My faith in Blizz is just shot. I wish they had more than 1 person making balance changes. Calm down dude, its just a game. I think Blizzard has been reluctant to nerf this because the build has been around since launch, and back then it was not OP at all.
Hey, I'm pretty calm! I'm just a bit bitter over the entire balance thing. I don't literally get angry over games.
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Their decision-making seems sound.
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On September 23 2011 15:03 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 14:59 spicyredcurry wrote:On September 23 2011 14:56 windsupernova wrote:On September 23 2011 14:51 Brotocol wrote:On September 23 2011 14:46 Rorschach wrote:On September 23 2011 14:23 Brotocol wrote: I don't get how blink nerf, justified as "we felt blink all-in was a little too much," can coexist with 1-1-1 not getting straight up nerfed.
How is blink rush is too much when 1-1-1's mere existence is almost an auto-win in TvP.
Priorities. I personally never thought blink timings were all that great (maybe in lower leagues?) and the same line of thought you had about the 1-1-1 is what went through my head........ Well, it's apparently really really urgent for Blizzard to nerf it. But for 1-1-1... "try using immortals kthx." edit: Yea, I'm becoming a little bit bitter. My faith in Blizz is just shot. I wish they had more than 1 person making balance changes. Calm down dude, its just a game. I think Blizzard has been reluctant to nerf this because the build has been around since launch, and back then it was not OP at all. I dont think you understand. SC2 isnt just a game. People are payed to play it, thier livelyhoods depend on it to some extent. Saying that it is just a game is incredibly ignorant. Are you getting paid to play it? And even then I think there are a whole lot more things to get angry about than a videogame, but yeah call me ignorant. I am not the one getting upset over racial balance in a videogame. I trust that stuff will get sorted out eventually, Blizz devs are not blind, they may be slow, but definitively they don't want the game to be imbalanced.
Why does it matter if I am being payed to play it? I can still be mad that animals get abused even though I don't have a pet. I am allowed to feel annoyed about something that rubs me the wrong way. I realize that there are alot of things wrong with this world that should make you mad but the reason that I am on a video game forum is to discuss video games, not world hunger and the fact that people are slaughtered for no other reason than their eye color. This is a video game forum where we can express our opinions to a certain degree. Passionate people will feel strongly about certain things and im going to assume that you are passionate about starcraft since you are on TL. I find it hard to believe that you have never been angry about a video game.
I am not the one getting upset over racial balance in a videogame.
Oh yea, is that supposed to be an insult?
Whatever, it's fine that you aren't upset over racial balance but you really shouldn't overlook the people that are upset. Don't be a condescending asshat.
ASSUMING that there is an imbalance in the game. If you cant be upset about that, then what are you allowed to be upset about? Losing a game...oh wait I would be the one getting upset over losing in a VIDEOGAME. Wait what does that make sense?
I wouldnt really say that most of the people that post including me are ANGRY >:-| but more so bitter toward shit like the MOTHERSHIP>CARRIER
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On September 23 2011 11:13 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Didn't Blizzard say that they intended the Mothership to be a unit for Bronze players to mess around with? And yet they buffed it instead of the Carrier? Incredible. Same reason they nerfed the hellion. They want the game to be easy. Thats why they want bio to be viable in TvT, because Mech TvT takes skill.
Yep. Now it shifts back slightly to games where bad players can beat a player better than themselves with 1A marine marauder since hellions are not as good.
*carefully and skillfully like in brood war positions tanks only to see some noobie with 30 apm get lucky and 1A into a tank line and come out ahead*
oh well, mech will still be viable, just have to play very, very good.
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I think they could make like a short 15 minute film where they have David Kim (in HD™) with a white smile on his face, reading the situation report and sounding as enthusiastic and somewhat eccentric as possible.
And play some symphony shit in the background too, it makes everything better.
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I'm really appreciative of Blizzard explaining their decisions to patch the game in the way they did. While I would not agree with all of their decisions, I'm just a Gold league player and I appreciate that Blizzard at least explained their changes this time.
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At least they noticed there is a problem with 1-1-1 in PvT.
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I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CHOSE MOTHERSHIP!? mothership can only be useful again if they give us back "archon toliet"...
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What is zerg supposed to do against a protoss who goes stargate into collosus detahballs? just leave the game?
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The could have made the Carrier microable. AND THEY DIDN'T!?!?!?!? Anyway, this is a good patch in general, that specific point just pissed me off.
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No real complaints, but the Ultra change hardly does much.
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"We feel this ability can create cool moments"
When Blizzard says shit like that I just have to wonder... you know?
Overall I solidly agree with this patch. Perhaps NP could have been range 8 rather than 9, but I can't be certain.
Why do Carriers still take half a game to build? T.T
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Pity they didn't realize that the problem with the Mothership is that both of its spells are absolute trash, compared to what the Arbiter could do. Recall is worthless without an ounce of speed, and Stasis Field was ten times better than Vortex will ever be. I would rather have one Arbiter than ten Motherships.
Otherwise, I think the changes are mostly good, although they haven't quite done enough to address 1-1-1 at a professional level. Still, nice to see there's rhyme and reason behind all this.
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On September 23 2011 15:18 spicyredcurry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 15:03 windsupernova wrote:On September 23 2011 14:59 spicyredcurry wrote:On September 23 2011 14:56 windsupernova wrote:On September 23 2011 14:51 Brotocol wrote:On September 23 2011 14:46 Rorschach wrote:On September 23 2011 14:23 Brotocol wrote: I don't get how blink nerf, justified as "we felt blink all-in was a little too much," can coexist with 1-1-1 not getting straight up nerfed.
How is blink rush is too much when 1-1-1's mere existence is almost an auto-win in TvP.
Priorities. I personally never thought blink timings were all that great (maybe in lower leagues?) and the same line of thought you had about the 1-1-1 is what went through my head........ Well, it's apparently really really urgent for Blizzard to nerf it. But for 1-1-1... "try using immortals kthx." edit: Yea, I'm becoming a little bit bitter. My faith in Blizz is just shot. I wish they had more than 1 person making balance changes. Calm down dude, its just a game. I think Blizzard has been reluctant to nerf this because the build has been around since launch, and back then it was not OP at all. I dont think you understand. SC2 isnt just a game. People are payed to play it, thier livelyhoods depend on it to some extent. Saying that it is just a game is incredibly ignorant. Are you getting paid to play it? And even then I think there are a whole lot more things to get angry about than a videogame, but yeah call me ignorant. I am not the one getting upset over racial balance in a videogame. I trust that stuff will get sorted out eventually, Blizz devs are not blind, they may be slow, but definitively they don't want the game to be imbalanced. Why does it matter if I am being payed to play it? I can still be mad that animals get abused even though I don't have a pet. I am allowed to feel annoyed about something that rubs me the wrong way. I realize that there are alot of things wrong with this world that should make you mad but the reason that I am on a video game forum is to discuss video games, not world hunger and the fact that people are slaughtered for no other reason than their eye color. This is a video game forum where we can express our opinions to a certain degree. Passionate people will feel strongly about certain things and im going to assume that you are passionate about starcraft since you are on TL. I find it hard to believe that you have never been angry about a video game. Oh yea, is that supposed to be an insult? Whatever, it's fine that you aren't upset over racial balance but you really shouldn't overlook the people that are upset. Don't be a condescending asshat. ASSUMING that there is an imbalance in the game. If you cant be upset about that, then what are you allowed to be upset about? Losing a game...oh wait I would be the one getting upset over losing in a VIDEOGAME. Wait what does that make sense? I wouldnt really say that most of the people that post including me are ANGRY >:-| but more so bitter toward shit like the MOTHERSHIP>CARRIER
Its ok to be disappointed, but really I don't see a point in flipping out over these changes when Blizzard probably doesn't even read those posts. Many pros voice their complaints to Blizzard anyways.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this as I won't really find any of this rage worthy
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Bah picking mothership over carrier is just sad
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On September 23 2011 15:30 Acritter wrote: Pity they didn't realize that the problem with the Mothership is that both of its spells are absolute trash.
You want my overseer? i'll gladly give that flying turd for a mother ship with crappy spells :p
I wonder how long Blizz will wait before they have a look at the hydra...
Ultra change won't do much; ultras will suck faster that's it.NP is now officially gone at pro level infestors will get sniped in a blink of an eye(pun intended).
Oh well i guess we'll have to wait and see.
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On September 23 2011 15:13 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 15:07 GhostFall wrote: I was really sad when they mentioned they think Hellions made TvT boring. Mech play vs Mech play, or Mech vs Bio is infinitely better than watching Terrans just throw bio at each other.
In fact Terran's throwing bio at the other 2 races in general, like it is now, is fucking stupid to watch compared to the Mech plays of Starcraft 1 many players(including pro players) have stated that they don't like Mech that much in TvT. And Mech is still widely used in TvZ, nada used it last night. And its not like TvZ in BW was always mech too. Only MU that is really Bio dominant is vP which is perfectly fine IMO. And Mech can work VP too. Look at the Byun game 1 on GSL Code A.And really i don't think I have seen Bio vs Bio that much in any pro games ... I don't get why so many people are complaining about apparently Blizzard wanting all MUs being MMM when the only MU with dominant bio play is vP. Hahaha just my 2 cents on this We see Mech against zerg 1 game every 10. we see bio or bio mech the rest. Its stupid.
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On September 23 2011 15:42 Begtse wrote: You want my overseer? i'll gladly give that flying turd for a mother ship with crappy spells
Id love to do that, 16 cloaked ghosts with emps vs 1 observer is no fun ;P
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The 1/1/1 will still be really strong.. marines are just as dangerous as the tanks, and immortals can't kill marines sooo good.
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On September 23 2011 15:25 common_cider wrote: What is zerg supposed to do against a protoss who goes stargate into collosus detahballs? just leave the game?
Just keep on keepin on.
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