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zanmat0
Profile Joined December 2010
188 Posts
September 23 2011 15:01 GMT
#101
I think you should stop being so racist against paragraphs.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
September 23 2011 15:03 GMT
#102
On September 23 2011 06:59 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 05:38 FMJ wrote:
On September 23 2011 05:33 ReignFayth wrote:
all 3 races have different mechanic, one is not harder than another, just different

How can you make this statement? Nobody has ever done an extensive, fair case-study of quantitative difficulty of each race. As such, I can't say that X race is more difficult than Y race; and you can't say that they are equally difficult. However, I can say that given 3 *very distinct* mechanics, they are *hugely* more likely to have variance in difficulty (even if only slightly) than to be exactly equal.

Sure, you can take a look at an elementary class of kids and say, "they're all different, but special in their own way." And that cliche has merits to it. But face the facts - some were endowed, either naturally or through environment, to just be more successful than others, and it's naive to just say "oh yeah, everyone is equal".


Not only has noone done this, but it is also impossible to quantify these difficulty traits in order to say one is easier or harder.

chrono boost; mules/scan; creep spread/larva inject

you don't need to be a genius to realize which one is the "hardest" and most time consuming...
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 23 2011 15:05 GMT
#103
I mean it's kinda hard not to be e-racist when you constantly fight each other for ladder points.
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msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
September 23 2011 15:08 GMT
#104
it isn't really racism anyway. if you hate fish or birds you are not racist. hating some kind of strange alien isn't racism. not even if they're humanoid- you're not racist if you hate gorillas and they're a humanoid race. and you aren't really hating on the race itself anyway, you hate the player who plays the race, the race in the game is just a tool in the hands of a player you don't even see. so calling this whole phenomenon racism is not correct in the first place. i've seen this idiocy in wow and warcraft too, it's just a misconception. people are allowed to hate on pixels, stop using this term it's not correct at all.

and btw if you hate a nationality that's not racism either.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
September 23 2011 15:09 GMT
#105
On September 24 2011 00:01 zanmat0 wrote:
I think you should stop being so racist against paragraphs.

how can you be racist against paragraphs???
I hate all this singing
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
September 23 2011 15:10 GMT
#106
On September 24 2011 00:05 KimJongChill wrote:
I mean it's kinda hard not to be e-racist when you constantly fight each other for ladder points.

well, it's just human nature to be competitive and hates anything that is in their way, i don't think there's anything wrong with it if people just keep it to themselves
I hate all this singing
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
September 23 2011 15:12 GMT
#107
If there is one thing history has taught me, it's that no one ever learns the lesson of history. People who are noobs at life will hate. It's a force of nature. It's how the evil overlords pawned us all by creating countries. Why would it be any different in starcraft?

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.





The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 23 2011 15:14 GMT
#108
On September 24 2011 00:03 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 06:59 Sbrubbles wrote:
On September 23 2011 05:38 FMJ wrote:
On September 23 2011 05:33 ReignFayth wrote:
all 3 races have different mechanic, one is not harder than another, just different

How can you make this statement? Nobody has ever done an extensive, fair case-study of quantitative difficulty of each race. As such, I can't say that X race is more difficult than Y race; and you can't say that they are equally difficult. However, I can say that given 3 *very distinct* mechanics, they are *hugely* more likely to have variance in difficulty (even if only slightly) than to be exactly equal.

Sure, you can take a look at an elementary class of kids and say, "they're all different, but special in their own way." And that cliche has merits to it. But face the facts - some were endowed, either naturally or through environment, to just be more successful than others, and it's naive to just say "oh yeah, everyone is equal".


Not only has noone done this, but it is also impossible to quantify these difficulty traits in order to say one is easier or harder.

chrono boost; mules/scan; creep spread/larva inject

you don't need to be a genius to realize which one is the "hardest" and most time consuming...


Oh man, you don't know how tired my hands get when I have to call down all those mules.
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rO_Or
Profile Joined October 2010
United States306 Posts
September 23 2011 15:17 GMT
#109
On September 23 2011 02:54 zoLo wrote:
Honestly, whenever I play HoN, it is VERY rare to have a Brazilian on my team that is actually a player that wants to work together and doesn't rage. A lot of the Brazilian players that I have experienced are nothing but stat whores, baiters, and get pissed off whenever you do something wrong. When I say pissed off, I really mean it.


QFT

Noone in the US learns how to speak Portuguese (French/Spanish are the 2 main foreign languages taught here) so when you put Americans and Brazilians on a team together in HON it is just asking for disaster. HON is a game that requires alot of coordination and teamwork so BR+US = bad haha.
On August 19 2011 00:04 Larryx wrote: The thing is that EU events are so much Difficultier than NA ones.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 23 2011 15:17 GMT
#110
It's not racism if I hate a species. I'm just a misanthrope. That has a strangely better connotation than racist.

Whatever, yeah there's not much you can say. You pick a race, learn it and feel really good about learning it. Then another race comes by and shits on your confidence. You get mad and type a bunch of nonsense and filth. Then you play another game and forget about it. I've said some mean things about Terran before but I almost always keep bm out of the game.

Oh, and this 100%
For a prime example of this, just look at the perceived animosity between even the SC2 and BW forums on TL. New-comers to BW from SC2 are sometimes alienated by perceived "elitism", and and old BW players looking at SC2 are put off by the hate generated from this alienation.


That shit is out of hand. I watch bw with a few friends or people but I have no interest in asking stupid questions and learning what I missed in the intervening years since brood wars release through forums. I don't blame people for being on edge because of trolls but some people are so damn full of themselves that I'd rather watch proleague or vods by myself
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Phenrock
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
September 23 2011 15:29 GMT
#111
I was thinking about this the other day. I was watching the White-ra stream and the chat in there was horrendous. Calling the White-ra's opponent a jerk straight away just because he was a Zerg. Then there was a mass debate regarding EU vs US differences in difficulty. However, after much thought I concluded it's what comes with sport. It's a clan culture, us against them. Red vs blue. EU v US, Korean vs foreigners, Protoss vs Zerg etc.

It's healthy to a degree, because you have something to root for, a passion for something. Even if you don't know the players or people playing. You know the races, their nationality, and you instantly root for them to win, and defend them. Anything stopping them in their way, instant hatred. It's crazy the amount of heckling and racism in other sports, so it's part of what human nature is and our competitive tribal warfare instants.

There is time for civilty, but there's time for war!

When a football game starts I'll be chanting and shouting a refs decisions. It's what I do. Starcraft 2 can just be the same. Ok there is no ref to blame, even if he is right, so instead we blame imbalance!
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