EPTStatement of Millenium on the Stephano situation - Page 18
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9176 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote: Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread. He isn't hating on the French; he is hating on a guy's flawed perspective on things. | ||
Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:04 Chill wrote: Conversely, I think it's very unethical to inform someone he can dissolve a contract based on (arguably) an oversight and then contract him yourself. Not to mention: Totally ignore them until 2 days later {After the shitstorm} | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil. it should be yes. | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil. I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young. | ||
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daviday
Hong Kong33 Posts
=> LoL Maybe in the US its how it works but not here sorry , or you accept to be the asshole. I understand how you can be angry at millenium , etc.. but the only one at fault here is stephano. | ||
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Eiduart
Indonesia51 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil. Yes i think its Stephano's fault. So unprofesional. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil. I think without knowing all the facts, it's easier to see Stephano as being young and not making the soundest decisions. He's barely an adult so it's easier to forgive. On the other side, we have a business capable of drafting and executing a contract. It's hard to feel sorry for them. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
I hope that the community can put aside feelings of nationalism or loyalty to one team or another and look at it impartially; Stephano signed a contract with coL, which Mill had full knowledge of. For whatever reason, he decided to renege on that contract. He is an adult. He is in breach of contract and, for the sake of legitimatizing e-Sports, he must be held accountable for his actions. Even if there is nothing that coL can do through the law, we as a community can't let this slide. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:05 thebig1 wrote: I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young. So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world? Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw) | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
I still can't understand people saying *yeah Col was very unprofessional because they didnt ask Mill first and talked Stephano into a contract...* blablabla If you sign an insurance contract because the nce guy in the insurance office told it would be best for you; would you tell them to go off after you found out that they claim too much money? no, you cant! why not? because you SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT WAS LEGALLY BINDING. I'm not sure if stephano is 18, but i think he turned that age this year, right? So if he signed a contract that was legally binding, then it is HIS FAULT! And HE should stand straight for the confusion that occured. It's not Complexity's fault for *talking him into it over night' come on, guys... edit: i got age ninja'd! so I don't know if you can sign a contract like this with 15, I think the parents have to confirm, too? | ||
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:06 daviday wrote: Okay okay , so basicly when you are a team without contract you are just a salary / expense provider , and you have no right. => LoL Maybe in the US its how it works but not here sorry , or you accept to be the asshole. I understand how you can be angry at millenium , etc.. but the only one at fault here is stephano. Yes of course that's how it works. If I pay a kid $20 to cut my grass I don't expect him to tell me when he's going to stop because he got an engineering job in Texas. Come on. Jesus Christ. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:06 daviday wrote: Okay okay , so basicly when you are a team without contract you are just a salary / expense provider , and you have no right. => LoL Maybe in the US its how it works but not here sorry , or you accept to be the asshole. I understand how you can be angry at millenium , etc.. but the only one at fault here is stephano. Yes, because not being on a contract means that neither party has any obligation to do anything. After the EG/TSL incident it was pretty much unanimous that you need to have a player on contract in order to lay claim to him, otherwise you have no right to complain if he's approached directly. I already established why this was the case, in the case of a free agent, he has his own best interests in mind, a team may be interested in getting the best deal for them, not for him. | ||
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:06 daviday wrote: Okay okay , so basicly when you are a team without contract you are just a salary / expense provider , and you have no right. => LoL Maybe in the US its how it works but not here sorry , or you accept to be the asshole. I understand how you can be angry at millenium , etc.. but the only one at fault here is stephano. If you are a team without a contract, and then a player of yours leaves and SIGNS A CONTRACT, then yea, you don't really have a leg to stand on. I've never lived in France, but I'm willing to bet that contracts are not a foreign concept there... | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:56 daviday wrote: hahaha your the best one  you so blind its becoming funny.IMO after having your player stolen in such a manner you can do whatever you want.. thats it. This have nothing to do with asking the permission to your competitor... this is SO DUMB to say such a thing... All the millenium staff knew people tryied to get stephano , and they werent the only one as ALL the top EURO team wanted him. He mentionned Acer for example who were particulary harsh. Its just OBVIOUS that if the other team is out of the talk , she will try everything to keep the player.. especially when thing have been done in such a hurry... If its only a buisness question ,and not an ETHIC question or a dirty move from coL then , millenium acting is just buisness aswell. In that case they just won , thats buisness , GG no need 25543543 pages. Ok, I'll try to make it simple: Stephano was not stolen from Mil, he WAS NOT UNDER CONTRACT with Mil when he signed the deal with Col, do you understand. Just because he was playing under their tag does not mean he was contractually bound to them. Same thing happened when EG signed Puma, he WAS NOT UNDER CONTRACT to TSL, so EG didn't steal Puma. In both cases they were free agents who were playing under a team tag with no contract. I'll say it again, they were both FREE AGENTS when they signed their contacts, hence neither EG or Col stole anything. They weren't obligated to tell the other teams what they offered. If the player wants to go back forth between the teams trying to up the offers, that's on him. It has nothing to do with the teams per say. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:47 TheOne85 wrote: This. Sounds like Millenium is just holding back simply because they know they are in the wrong. Embarassing, and extremely unprofessional to have a "statement" without an actual statement. Have you been in the real world ? Most public statements are words without meaning. Because public statements are manipulation tools, Millenium might have determined that at this point saying nothing specific is better from PR point of view than saying something (even if they would not be in the wrong it is often better to say nothing). And why people assume that col statement is actually better. They as easily could lie, then it comes down to what is worse lying or statements without meaning. I don't know. But I assume col lies and Millenium lies or at least none of them says the full truth. | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:11 mcc wrote: Have you been in the real world ? Most public statements are words without meaning. Because public statements are manipulation tools, Millenium might have determined that at this point saying nothing specific is better from PR point of view than saying something (even if they would not be in the wrong it is often better to say nothing). And why people assume that col statement is actually better. They as easily could lie, then it comes down to what is worse lying or statements without meaning. I don't know. But I assume col lies and Millenium lies or at least none of them says the full truth. because you generally get caught when you lie about facts, whereas if you never give anything definate you can't get called out because, you didn't actually say anything. its the reason no politician actually gives any information on the campaign, so that way he can do what he wants and not be bound by concrete details | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:11 mcc wrote: .. And why people assume that col statement is actually better. They as easily could lie, then it comes down to what is worse lying or statements without meaning. I don't know. But I assume col lies and Millenium lies or at least none of them says the full truth. Because "people" are entitled to a statement from everybody in less than an hour after anything happens. Just get over it, it is the way internet mobs work. | ||
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chestnutman
176 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:21 Whiplash wrote: Col released a transparent statement of their view of everything that happened, you guys still haven't. I prefer them not to carry all the contract wars to the public but keep it quite, it's obvious they rushed their actions yesterday and now both sides need some time to figure out how to get out of this shit. It already stirred enough hate like it is. But of course the sensationalist starcraft community craves for some new accusations. | ||
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