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On September 21 2011 03:44 archonOOid wrote:
Case closed.
Lets focus on what really matters, namely, starcraft 2 and those superb players, stephano included that make e-sports great.
How the fuck is the case closed? Nothing has been resolved. This is actually pretty important eSports because professionalism and contracts matter.
Yes, on one hand it's an 18 year old kid making a stupid decision and company being shady in encouraging him to renege on his contract, I don't want it to become a massive cluster fuck and hope it can be sorted out with further incident. On the other hand, we need to make it clear that eSports is not a bunch of kids who have no interest in honoring contracts and that there are repercussions for being unprofessional.
On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium  . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread.
I must have missed the part where Chill was hating on the French...
Oh wait, that's because he never made a statement hating on the French.
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On September 21 2011 03:46 daviday wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:38 thebig1 wrote:On September 21 2011 03:29 daviday wrote:
1. it have nothing to do with being elitist , it just more practical , making a team , a portal and a community is really hard. Only americain / uk team have enough english speaking people following them for them to create an international community.
3. What i mean is that , if players want / think about joining millenium , they will ask other team member of millenium ( Tarson , Stephano , Adel , Lalush , etc. ) If every promess have been kept by the organisation. I dont belive they care about the gossips/trolls from TL.NET.
Last point Mill >>>>> coL , this team got no good player , maybe Trimaster but thats pretty mutch it.
I agree on the " Korea > france " but stephano will go to korea whatsoever... lewelys said it again yesterday.
Millenium TV is the most viewed webtv in france , in all category. they have 3.5 - 4k viewer minimum for any shit show they do at anytime of the day.
Also as Lewelys said , he is still allowed to stream on justin TV , in his contract he jut got to stream a certain amount of team on the millenium TV each week, for witch he STILL get all the money.
Just a heads up, but if anything at this point you are just making things look worse to outsiders. Your (and others) posts make Mil and the community surrounding it look EXTREMELY xenophobic and nationalistic. I don't really have a problem with that if that really is the case, but it won't make the whole situation right in other people's minds. If anything it will make people think that Stephano was pulled aside after he signed teh contract and was reminded/threatened about about French pride, and how joining an evil American team is bad for the country. If that is somehow actually the case, and he is too scared to say anything about it, then that REALLY IS a shame. OFcourse he was pulled by millenium...
Right... but at 18 even if you are legally an adult chances are you are still young enough where you can be pressured into things against your will...
If he is pulled aside into a room from Millenium, and is given a talking to. Then suddenly changes his mind and starts singing the praise of the people who pulled him aside... Can't you see how that could be viewed negitively?
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On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread.
Read again. I am absolutely not hating on the French. I am hating on Daviday's bias.
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On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical.
Irrefutable logic sir!
OnTopic: Mill keeps dodging and it's pissing me off.
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On September 21 2011 03:48 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:44 archonOOid wrote:
Case closed.
Lets focus on what really matters, namely, starcraft 2 and those superb players, stephano included that make e-sports great. How the fuck is the case closed? Nothing has been resolved. This is actually pretty important eSports because professionalism and contracts matter.
But he already declared the case closed!
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On September 21 2011 03:49 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread. Read again. I am absolutely not hating on the French. I am hating on Daviday's blind bias.
Read yourself again do you really think that the people stupid enough to blame that on french laws and french people will understand that ? I don't think so
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On September 21 2011 03:50 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:49 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread. Read again. I am absolutely not hating on the French. I am hating on Daviday's blind bias. Read yourself again do you really think that the people stupid enough to blame that on french laws and french people will understand that ? I don't think so
Fortunately I don't post every comment wondering if idiots will understand it or not.
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I can't believe nobody made a remark on the fact TL must hate the french since it's only using blue and white as it's color and lacks the red needed to make the red flag.
oh wait, Chill's name is red, all is good.
edit: oh wait he can be misquoted as saying he doesn't like the french, we're doomed
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On September 21 2011 03:49 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread. Read again. I am absolutely not hating on the French. I am hating on Daviday's bias.
I read the whole exchange and saw no generalisation about "being french matters" before yours. At best you're putting words in his mouth. At worst you're hating by generalisation.
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If a french signs an american contract, which law kicks in? the french law or the american law?
How about if an american signs a french contract, which law kicks in?
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On September 20 2011 22:18 Millenium wrote:
As for the people who may have been disappointed, shocked or offended, we would like you to understand that Internet gossip is not always ground truth, and that things are often more complicated than they might seem to be.
"Internet gossip" is fueled by non-statements like this.
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On September 21 2011 03:53 Eiduart wrote:
If a french signs an american contract, which law kicks in? the french law or the american law?
How about if an american signs a french contract, which law kicks in?
I think it depends on how the contract was written. I think there are international treaties to place the juristiction into the contract that France have signed into. Who knows if they were in the contract or not though.
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On September 21 2011 03:53 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:49 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:48 Bellygareth wrote:On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. Great. I think this whole discussion needed a mod to hate on the French. Now everyone will feel entitled to throw even more stupid hatred in the thread. Read again. I am absolutely not hating on the French. I am hating on Daviday's bias. I read the whole exchange and saw no generalisation about "being french matters" before yours. At best you're putting words in his mouth. At worst you're hating by generalisation.
Fine, I will admit I hate Daviday by generalisation.
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Actually if you really generalize Chill's statement down to its roots then it becomes "daviday is being pretty damn ridiculous."
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On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical.
hahaha your the best one you so blind its becoming funny.
IMO after having your player stolen in such a manner you can do whatever you want.. thats it.
This have nothing to do with asking the permission to your competitor... this is SO DUMB to say such a thing...
All the millenium staff knew people tryied to get stephano , and they werent the only one as ALL the top EURO team wanted him. He mentionned Acer for example who were particulary harsh.
Its just OBVIOUS that if the other team is out of the talk , she will try everything to keep the player.. especially when thing have been done in such a hurry...
If its only a buisness question ,and not an ETHIC question or a dirty move from coL then , millenium acting is just buisness aswell.
In that case they just won , thats buisness , GG no need 25543543 pages.
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So Stephano signs a contract with coL, signs another contract with Mill, and Mill is trying to extort money of coL to have Stephano? Am I reading this right?
...we would also like to emphasize our good will to see this situation solved the right way.
It's too late for that.
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On September 21 2011 03:54 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:18 Millenium wrote:
As for the people who may have been disappointed, shocked or offended, we would like you to understand that Internet gossip is not always ground truth, and that things are often more complicated than they might seem to be.
"Internet gossip" is fueled by non-statements like this.
Actually internet gossip started yesterday with a 100+ page thread with the "transparent" statement by Complexity.
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On September 21 2011 03:56 daviday wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. hahaha your the best one you so blind its becoming funny. IMO after having your player stolen in such a manner you can do whatever you want.. thats it. This have nothing to do with asking the permission to your competitor... this is SO DUMB to say such a thing... All the millenium staff knew people tryied to get stephano , and they werent the only one as ALL the top EURO team wanted him. He mentionned Acer for example who were particulary harsh. Its just OBVIOUS that if the other team is out of the talk , she will try everything to keep the player.. especially when thing have been done in such a hurry... If its only a buisness question ,and not an ETHIC question or a dirty move from coL then , millenium acting is just buisness aswell. In that case they just won , thats buisness , GG no need 25543543 pages.
You don't have rights to people you haven't contracted. Nothing was stolen.
If they knew he was in talks with another competitor, they should have hurried up and signed him themselves.
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On September 20 2011 22:21 Whiplash wrote:
Col released a transparent statement of their view of everything that happened, you guys still haven't.
More than agreed...
It is funny how CoL even mentioned that the negotiations had taken place with Milenium knowing about Stephano too. This statement by Millenium only makes them see even worse as they do admit that they offered a contract to Stephano after he had signed with Complexity and they knew it. So disappointied at the wrong doings of Millenium and Stephano....
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On September 21 2011 03:56 daviday wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:36 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:33 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:28 Chill wrote:On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :
1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.
1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week 2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision). 3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR. On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble... that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol. ORLY ? 1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff.. 2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's. 3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree. And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE. The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money. Daviday's Guide to Business: Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism. No you can also do it like a shark with no ethic at all, but then the shark with the most argument win , in that case millenium . Daviday's Guide to Ethics: 1. Hiring an unemployed person as a contractor before telling all your competitors is unethical. 1a. Finding a loophole in your competitor's contract and using that to void it and reissue your own contract before your competitor realizes is, however, ethical if you're French. rev. 01 1. Being non-French is unethical. hahaha your the best one you so blind its becoming funny. IMO after having your player stolen in such a manner you can do whatever you want.. thats it. This have nothing to do with asking the permission to your competitor... this is SO DUMB to say such a thing... All the millenium staff knew people tryied to get stephano , and they werent the only one as ALL the top EURO team wanted him. He mentionned Acer for example who were particulary harsh. Its just OBVIOUS that if the other team is out of the talk , she will try everything to keep the player.. especially when thing have been done in such a hurry... If its only a buisness question ,and not an ETHIC question or a dirty move from coL then , millenium acting is just buisness aswell. In that case they just won , thats buisness , GG no need 25543543 pages.
There's nothing unethical about directly approaching a free agent who is not contractually obligated to a team, if he had a personal agent and they bypassed him then perhaps that could be seen as unethical, but I don't think that was the case. This was only even an issue in the EG/TSL case because of all the cultural factors and that people saw it as taking advantage of the Korean culture's avoidance of "unnecessary" contracts. After this point it's pretty much been established that you have to have a player on contract to have any claim to him, it's quite simple.
I can't really say they did anything unethical based on the information we have.
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