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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
September 20 2011 18:04 GMT
#281
These days, a load of BS can pass as a statement.. it's unbelievable how PR-less these people at Millenium are.. I guess their aim is to be just a local team, and sure as heck they are reaching their goal.. I think this team should be banned from international competition -- and Stephano along with them -- bunch of retards.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 20 2011 18:05 GMT
#282
On September 21 2011 03:02 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 02:59 AzurewinD wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:56 mcc wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:53 AzurewinD wrote:
I did read carefully, tyvm. coL didn't bother informing M in any way before the col / S contract was signed, why would M bother answering coL once Stephano decides to stay in M ? It's kind of a "you do it to me, I do it to you" answer. (very stupid behavior from both sides if you ask me , though nothing illegal per se)


Gee I don't know, maybe because he breached a signed contract and it has legal ramifications for all parties involved? And far reaching effects in terms of the importance of contracts in esports? That's kind of important business to reply to immediately.

Again we're talking about something completely different from the original post you quoted me on.

There is actually no proof that he breached any contract.


There isn't? My bad then?

He didn't electronically sign a contract with Complexity and then later break that by changing his mind and signing another contract with Mil?

That's why we're here discussing it after all. The proof hasn't been released but I doubt coL would start this if he didn't actually sign a contract.

If he didn't do that then I'll change my post, but then I'm not sure we'd all be here arguing over it if he didn't.

I did not say anything about signing. He might have as well did that, that does not mean he breached it by withdrawing from it and signing contract with Millenium. To judge that we would have to see the contract and probably even then we would need lawyer's opinion.


Complexity's contract would have had to be written by a complete imbecile for this to be the case so I doubt it. It would be an utterly massive loophole if a player was allowed to have another contract going simultaneously.

That's like Microsoft forgetting to include a clause in their contract saying that I can't work for Apple... at the same fucking time as I'm working for Microsoft.
Cluster
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden125 Posts
September 20 2011 18:06 GMT
#283
Just want to chime in: The statement from col says they would make an offer, and that mil would make a counter offer. Not that they were in direct contact with mil. It is completely possible that stephano himself was the middleman. (And completely reasonable too, as has been pointed out countless times in this thread.)
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 18:08:04
September 20 2011 18:06 GMT
#284
On September 21 2011 03:04 daviday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:00 Denar wrote:
The more interesting part to me is that coL's announcement had a quote from Stephano (one line, but still). The "come-back" announcement of Millenium doesn't have one.

And I was hoping that we could hear Stephano's opinion on today's statement, but still no word from him. Makes me wonder if this comeback annoucement was a bit rushed itself...



T'es con ou quoi ?

Stephano talked for 30 minutes on millenium TV thats worth all 2 lines annoucement..


In french. On a stream full of french.

Clearly, we're all informed of what was said during this stream.

edit: if at least you [M] fanboys could agree to the same story, we might know a bit more.
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AcuWill
Profile Joined August 2010
United States281 Posts
September 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#285
Hope Complexity crushes Millenium legally. No place for this type of BS in an up and coming scene.
thebike
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 18:09:51
September 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#286
So many contractual disputes in eSports recently! Pretty crazy. I hope things get worked out between the team, since this is really unnecessary drama.

This is a side note, but can anyone tell why Millenium's team is spelled that way (versus Millennium)? Is it just a typo? I don't think you spell Millennium with one n in French, so I'm a bit perplexed about the origin of the team name.
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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
September 20 2011 18:10 GMT
#287
Whoever wrote this text is hopefully not doing this as a fulltime job. Worst written PR statement in a long time.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
daviday
Profile Joined September 2011
Hong Kong33 Posts
September 20 2011 18:10 GMT
#288
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.
ThirdDegree
Profile Joined February 2011
United States329 Posts
September 20 2011 18:11 GMT
#289
On September 20 2011 22:43 Roggay wrote:
Can we have a statement from Stephano? He is the only to know the whole story.



No, he is still too disoriented from coL
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
September 20 2011 18:11 GMT
#290
On September 21 2011 03:05 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:02 mcc wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:59 AzurewinD wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:56 mcc wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:53 AzurewinD wrote:
I did read carefully, tyvm. coL didn't bother informing M in any way before the col / S contract was signed, why would M bother answering coL once Stephano decides to stay in M ? It's kind of a "you do it to me, I do it to you" answer. (very stupid behavior from both sides if you ask me , though nothing illegal per se)


Gee I don't know, maybe because he breached a signed contract and it has legal ramifications for all parties involved? And far reaching effects in terms of the importance of contracts in esports? That's kind of important business to reply to immediately.

Again we're talking about something completely different from the original post you quoted me on.

There is actually no proof that he breached any contract.


There isn't? My bad then?

He didn't electronically sign a contract with Complexity and then later break that by changing his mind and signing another contract with Mil?

That's why we're here discussing it after all. The proof hasn't been released but I doubt coL would start this if he didn't actually sign a contract.

If he didn't do that then I'll change my post, but then I'm not sure we'd all be here arguing over it if he didn't.

I did not say anything about signing. He might have as well did that, that does not mean he breached it by withdrawing from it and signing contract with Millenium. To judge that we would have to see the contract and probably even then we would need lawyer's opinion.


Complexity's contract would have had to be written by a complete imbecile for this to be the case so I doubt it. It would be an utterly massive loophole if a player was allowed to have another contract going simultaneously.

That's like Microsoft forgetting to include a clause in their contract saying that I can't work for Apple... at the same fucking time as I'm working for Microsoft.

Why are you assuming this is the only way there is no breach. You can withdraw from contracts you know. Or the contract is in fact against the law and is invalid. And some other cases are still possible where there is no breach although most can be packed under "illegal therefore invalid". I am saying people here are jumping to conclusions. As always I might add
acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
September 20 2011 18:12 GMT
#291
Look, SC2 is starting to look more and more like a real sport: We talk more about transfers drama/investors/refereeing(balance) than about the actual game! Yea, ESPORTS!
You can't out-think the swarm, you can't out-maneuver the swarm, and you certainly can't break the morale of the swarm.
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
September 20 2011 18:13 GMT
#292
I think a lot of people are missing something. Ppl keep saying " This shows nothing" it shows a lot , It shows that Mil keeps secrets and coL didn't. Simply put. Its sad ... I hope they tell the truth because I wont support Millenium and I really think they lost a lot of fans just from this. That is the sad part. Millenium TOOK AWAY a great opportunity for a new star player to be born with great money and great tourney aspects in a contract. Then dotn give the fans a reason why. Then call a company that has been doing business with esports since 2003 "internet talk" with an official statement out.
Come on now ... come on now.. Burn the bridges you will need one day i guess is the moral of the story.
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SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
September 20 2011 18:17 GMT
#293
On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.


1. I believe you, from first hand experience. I have no clue whatsoever why you're trying to be so elitist with your 2-pump chump esports scene but clearly if your players were that amazing we would've been interested a long time ago.
2. I never said it was Millenium's fault? Considering they haven't said anything relevant in the past 48h I won't even jump to conclusions.
3. [M]'s and it's players's opinions mean absolutely nothing if they dont even release a statement that makes sense or tries to explain something. You want your exclusive french scene, congratulations you might have gotten it!

coL.MVP > Millenium. Korea > France. I'd say that's a huge opportunity he missed.
If he IS quitting in a year, wouldn't it be in his best interest to make as much money as possible? Oh wait, nvm now he can't he'll be limited to a 1k audience.
#1 arb fan -- Raelcun is Nuclear backwards. Rekrul is Lurker backwards. Grobyc is Cyborg backwards. Eniram is Marine backwards.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
September 20 2011 18:19 GMT
#294
Wow, got nothing out of this statement..
All I got was we'll talk to coL, internet gossip is often not true, things can be more complicated than it seems.
Really? Gosh, thought internet was the bible!
That gives me absolutely 0 information on what, how or why these things happened.
Millenium is losing more and more credibility.. they really need to fix this situation if they want to save their face.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
September 20 2011 18:20 GMT
#295
You can pretty much ignore daviday from now on as he's not rational at all. He honestly thinks Stephano staying in France is not a missed opportunity.
Panthae
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada205 Posts
September 20 2011 18:20 GMT
#296
On September 21 2011 03:11 ThirdDegree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 22:43 Roggay wrote:
Can we have a statement from Stephano? He is the only to know the whole story.



No, he is still too disoriented from coL

LOL!
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eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
September 20 2011 18:24 GMT
#297
On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.


Everything u just said makes no sense at all.. coL a company that has been in business since 2003. HAS NEVER HAD a complaint in contracts ever that I can think of, and I have been following them since before they where coL... never once have i heard a player talk bad about that organization ever...
You said FALSE on a huge opportunity? So if he preformed well enough in the US with MLG and more tourneys he can travel to. You dont think that coL would send him to korea? They sent drewbie over.. what has drewbie won latly? ..... I will wait for you to re spawned..
My point is they would have sent him to Korea he would be a real real "pro gamer" and all because of a contract.
Did you not read wat coL said... he would have been the highest paid sc2 player right now.. thats not a missed opportunity?.. this is a business this is what they are going for MONEY and a chance to prove themselves.
Think you need to rethink some things before posting away.
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Iron.Fist
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil268 Posts
September 20 2011 18:27 GMT
#298
On September 21 2011 03:17 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.


1. I believe you, from first hand experience. I have no clue whatsoever why you're trying to be so elitist with your 2-pump chump esports scene but clearly if your players were that amazing we would've been interested a long time ago.
2. I never said it was Millenium's fault? Considering they haven't said anything relevant in the past 48h I won't even jump to conclusions.
3. [M]'s and it's players's opinions mean absolutely nothing if they dont even release a statement that makes sense or tries to explain something. You want your exclusive french scene, congratulations you might have gotten it!

coL.MVP > Millenium. Korea > France. I'd say that's a huge opportunity he missed.
If he IS quitting in a year, wouldn't it be in his best interest to make as much money as possible? Oh wait, nvm now he can't he'll be limited to a 1k audience.


I'm pretty sure he won't change his mind even if you try your best. Nationalist bias is just too strong.


On topic: Yep they pretty much said nothing on that statement so we only have one side of the story on the forums (statement on stream speaking FRENCH to FRENCH VIEWERS is not giving statement to the rest of the webz, unless you expect the whole community to speak french).
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
September 20 2011 18:28 GMT
#299
On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.

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Before hiring an employee, make sure you tell all your competitors that you're hiring him so they have a chance to check if they should offer him a better deal. If you don't do this, you have a lack of professionalism.
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daviday
Profile Joined September 2011
Hong Kong33 Posts
September 20 2011 18:29 GMT
#300
On September 21 2011 03:17 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:10 daviday wrote:
On September 21 2011 03:01 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:58 daviday wrote:
Things is , as lewelys said they doesnt care about gossips :

1st - Everyone will have forgoten about that in 1 week.
2nd- if teams doesnt want stephano because of that story ( witch im Sure will never happen ) , how can that be a bad news for millenium ?
3rd - i dont see how it would have any backfire on stephano regarding us tourney and stuff , since MLG keep asking players from millenium to join their tourney.



1. there's always going to be an idiot bumping the thread so no, nobody will forget in a week
2. so I guess Millenium doesn't care about Stephano? to the point they'd rather ruin his reputation and keep him than actually let him get better and have a better future? Now I understand why the only words he mustered on Lwl's stream was "j'espere avoir fait le bon choix" (I hope I took the right decision).
3. you really think [M]'s lack of professionalism will be easily forgotten? don't expect they get the same treatment from now on. ESPECIALLY with such shitty PR.

On September 21 2011 03:00 daviday wrote:
BTW when Liquid took HuK from millenium there was 0 trouble...

that's because they had no money for counter-offers, lol.


ORLY ?

1- belive me , millenium doesnt care about US community , they only care about the french.. so US fans and stuff..
2- They said " he made the mistake ", witch he did. So yeah they pretty mutch dont care since its not their fault , but stephano's.
3- YES ,because they were a lack of professionalism from coL , not from them , and all of theirs players will agree.

And please all.. stop saying that stephano missed a huge opportunity thats FALSE.

The only truth in this , is that , with an americain team you might get more exposure , and get more people on your stream so you will make more money.


1. I believe you, from first hand experience. I have no clue whatsoever why you're trying to be so elitist with your 2-pump chump esports scene but clearly if your players were that amazing we would've been interested a long time ago.
2. I never said it was Millenium's fault? Considering they haven't said anything relevant in the past 48h I won't even jump to conclusions.
3. [M]'s and it's players's opinions mean absolutely nothing if they dont even release a statement that makes sense or tries to explain something. You want your exclusive french scene, congratulations you might have gotten it!

coL.MVP > Millenium. Korea > France. I'd say that's a huge opportunity he missed.
If he IS quitting in a year, wouldn't it be in his best interest to make as much money as possible? Oh wait, nvm now he can't he'll be limited to a 1k audience.


1. it have nothing to do with being elitist , it just more practical , making a team , a portal and a community is really hard. Only americain / uk team have enough english speaking people following them for them to create an international community.

3. What i mean is that , if players want / think about joining millenium , they will ask other team member of millenium ( Tarson , Stephano , Adel , Lalush , etc. ) If every promess have been kept by the organisation. I dont belive they care about the gossips/trolls from TL.NET.

Last point Mill >>>>> coL , this team got no good player , maybe Trimaster but thats pretty mutch it.
I agree on the " Korea > france " but stephano will go to korea whatsoever... lewelys said it again yesterday.
Millenium TV is the most viewed webtv in france , in all category. they have 3.5 - 4k viewer minimum for any shit show they do at anytime of the day.

Also as Lewelys said , he is still allowed to stream on justin TV , in his contract he jut got to stream a certain amount of team on the millenium TV each week, for witch he STILL get all the money.
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