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On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:19 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
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And how do these deals invalidate the integrity of the match? Oh wait that's right they don't.
It's none of anyone's business what they do with their finances.
Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think.
Again, financial matters are not your business :p.
Sports leagues are transparent because so much money is involved in those leagues that people have to make sure they are being payed fairly. SC2 isn't even close to that level yet. In everyday life, it's rude to ask for someone's financial dealings.
Besides that there's really no point in knowing how a prize is split if you concede that in larger tournaments, they are playing for a lot more than just the prize.
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On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:19 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
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And how do these deals invalidate the integrity of the match? Oh wait that's right they don't.
It's none of anyone's business what they do with their finances.
Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think.
Should players also report in to you with their annual incomes? Their sponsorship and stream money? Their state of mind/health?
What if he is tired, should he call or text? Maybe make an announcement. "OK guys, I am pretty tired and am on tilt, so i am probably not going to play that great in this series... I felt like you all should know." ?
You are being completely unreasonable. People's personal and financial dealings have absolutely nothing to do with you.
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On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:19 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
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And how do these deals invalidate the integrity of the match? Oh wait that's right they don't.
It's none of anyone's business what they do with their finances.
Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think.
Really? you would much rather know that 2 people are going to split money, when you have spent the last pages ranting about how money splitting destroys your pleasure in watching a match?
Seriously. The easiest way to do this is let it happen, but don't tell the viewers. The viewers get to keep the suspense, and the players get to keep their jobs.
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On September 02 2011 16:51 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:47 Kaitlin wrote:Lots of comments about people being able to do whatever they want with their money after the tournament. It's not about what happens after the games are played, it's the agreement entered into before the games are played that affects the integrity of the event. On September 02 2011 16:36 Rekrul wrote:
The problem with this kind of stuff is that there is absolutely no way to stop it if the two are smart about it. All we can ask is that to any potential people doing this to keep the games legit and never let anyone find out about your deals because theres no point. It seems to me that your view is that you realize it's against the rules, but you're ok with it as long as nobody finds out ? His view is that it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. And that it really doesnt affect the games as much as some people think. And that it IS GOING TO HAPPEN. So crying and whining about it is useless. And I dont think he said it was against the rules, but that some stuck up ignorant people, might find it morally incorrect.
We should force players to make sure they eat breakfast before big games. If they don't eat breakfast it may impact the games. Also we should ban players if they don't get at least 8 hours a sleep beforehand. /s
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On September 02 2011 16:41 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:39 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Rekrul wrote:
All I have to say is if I was facing Flash in OSL finals 1st place being 20k and 2nd place being 5k and he offered me a deal that no matter the results he gets 19.9k and I get 5.1k I would snap accept his deal and not feel bad about it all LOL.
But seriously: I think two players discussing a deal privately and agreeing on a set prize for each of them is completely fine as long as there is nothing discussed about the games (aka planning shit). There is still a lot of pride and fame value on the line which in many cases is worth more than the prizes. Most progamers really need the money and sometimes they find themselves in situations where making a deal could secure them important life changing money.
But if the players include shit in the deal such as who gets to win etc. then it becomes extremely bad and those faggots should be fucken BANNED.
The problem with this kind of stuff is that there is absolutely no way to stop it if the two are smart about it. All we can ask is that to any potential people doing this to keep the games legit and never let anyone find out about your deals because theres no point. Right. That much is easy to see. The problem is a matter of trust. You can't trust everyone. And the end-spectator must be protected. Otherwise there is no show. And no show means no sponsorship, and that means no further prize winnings. I doubt spectators would be as extreme as you portray it lol, I'm pretty sure very very little people would stop watching just from knowing there a possibly a deal behind all of this
Well, there is a difference between merely "watching" and "supporting" e-sports. I'll watch games between players that I expect will be entertaining. But if you think I'm going to pay for to watch a competition with compromised integrity, that's entirely different. Watching the NASL last season every episode was peppered with the importance of buying the league pass to support the league and e-sports. Sure, they got "some" money from ad revenue generated by my viewership, but not nearly what they would get from paid subscriptions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these events, and in turn the pro-gamer prize money, is not derived largely from people who merely "watch".
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On September 02 2011 16:53 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:
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Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think. Well I think it is fairly unreasonable to ask what they do with their money, It's really not gonna change anything for you... really..
Not really interested in the specifics really. Just the basics.
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On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:19 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
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And how do these deals invalidate the integrity of the match? Oh wait that's right they don't.
It's none of anyone's business what they do with their finances.
Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think.
Most people would think you are. You're not privy to monetary decisions carried out by the players themselves, because they're personal issues altogether.
You are, however, free to choose what games of which players you wish to watch. If you believe that they're not entertaining enough because they're possibly tainted by a brokered deal, then you can vote with your time and money - simply stop supporting those players in question by not watching those streams / paying for those VODs.
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As a matter of principle, I suppose it's not OK.
In a world not populated by unicorns and magical little ponies however, I see no problem with this.
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Deciding to give away some of your prize money after winning, to the second place finisher is fine. Agreeing to do this before the match takes place is illegal, if it isn't here yet, it should be. Entering such an agreement and doing '1base carrier rush lols' is match fixing and should result in a ban from entering any respectable competitions. Period.
If you think it's fine because you can get away with it, I don't care, you'll have to live with being a disgrace to your profession. If you end up a dumbass and it gets made public, we will fucking crucify you.
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On September 02 2011 16:54 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:41 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:39 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Rekrul wrote:
All I have to say is if I was facing Flash in OSL finals 1st place being 20k and 2nd place being 5k and he offered me a deal that no matter the results he gets 19.9k and I get 5.1k I would snap accept his deal and not feel bad about it all LOL.
But seriously: I think two players discussing a deal privately and agreeing on a set prize for each of them is completely fine as long as there is nothing discussed about the games (aka planning shit). There is still a lot of pride and fame value on the line which in many cases is worth more than the prizes. Most progamers really need the money and sometimes they find themselves in situations where making a deal could secure them important life changing money.
But if the players include shit in the deal such as who gets to win etc. then it becomes extremely bad and those faggots should be fucken BANNED.
The problem with this kind of stuff is that there is absolutely no way to stop it if the two are smart about it. All we can ask is that to any potential people doing this to keep the games legit and never let anyone find out about your deals because theres no point. Right. That much is easy to see. The problem is a matter of trust. You can't trust everyone. And the end-spectator must be protected. Otherwise there is no show. And no show means no sponsorship, and that means no further prize winnings. I doubt spectators would be as extreme as you portray it lol, I'm pretty sure very very little people would stop watching just from knowing there a possibly a deal behind all of this Well, there is a difference between merely "watching" and "supporting" e-sports. I'll watch games between players that I expect will be entertaining. But if you think I'm going to pay for to watch a competition with compromised integrity, that's entirely different. Watching the NASL last season every episode was peppered with the importance of buying the league pass to support the league and e-sports. Sure, they got "some" money from ad revenue generated by my viewership, but not nearly what they would get from paid subscriptions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these events, and in turn the pro-gamer prize money, is not derived largely from people who merely "watch".
Real money comes from sponsorship which comes from viewer counts.
Notice how we don't pay the NFL for every football game we watch on TV? Or ABC/ESPN? They make their money on advertising. "50,000,000 people watched the super bowl... we need people to buy ad-time. and we can gaurentee your product/business will be exposed to 50,000,000 viewers."
This is why you also get hotpocket and stride gum and other terrible commercials during MLG streams.
So you are supporting merely by watching. And that is where the REAL money eventually comes from.
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Okay I'm all for protecting the integrity of eSports and whatever but really guys? Really?
I think if actual match fixing occurs those players should be banned from that tournament and all affiliated tournaments for quite a long time. Agreeing to split the prize money though? As long as they don't agree to throw games or do anything silly in the games that diminishes their quality it should be perfectly fine.
What if a pro player was going to donate all of his money to charity if he won? Either way he's not going to get that money, someone else is, so maybe he'll just throw the games. Maybe we should prevent people from giving their winnings to good causes to?
And yes, venues can ban players for things like that if they want to, but how are they going to know? Even if salaries were transparent - how are they going to know? Player A and Player B split a prize, player A deposits the check and writes a check to player B. Or player A deposits his check and then withdraws half from his account and gives it to player B in cash. Aside from the bank who is going to know? Unless someone is going to follow player B around for awhile and see if he buys a plasma TV suddenly?
For me personally I would play better if there was less pressure. If there was a giant list of things that I couldn't do with my prize money I wouldn't want to play as much.
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Now that I think about it if two GSL finalists decided to just chop up the 1st/2nd prize money equally then spent the time before the finals spending it all together getting drunk every night instead of practicing then gave some really crappy hungover finals that'd be way more entertaining than normal games.
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On September 02 2011 16:51 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:47 Kaitlin wrote:Lots of comments about people being able to do whatever they want with their money after the tournament. It's not about what happens after the games are played, it's the agreement entered into before the games are played that affects the integrity of the event. On September 02 2011 16:36 Rekrul wrote:
The problem with this kind of stuff is that there is absolutely no way to stop it if the two are smart about it. All we can ask is that to any potential people doing this to keep the games legit and never let anyone find out about your deals because theres no point. It seems to me that your view is that you realize it's against the rules, but you're ok with it as long as nobody finds out ? what is against the rule is planning a match beforehand, not splitting the money
Then why the language about being "smart about it" and "never let anyone find out about your deals" ?
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On September 02 2011 16:57 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:50 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:43 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 16:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:40 ketomai wrote:On September 02 2011 16:37 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On September 02 2011 16:33 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 16:29 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 16:20 Medrea wrote:
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Of course they do. Knowing that your gonna get paid the same win or lose affects the match. 1st: $100 2nd: $50 The two players agree beforehand that the winner will buy the loser a $25 dinner. Is this immoral? Will this affect the outcome of the match? You tell me. You know what? I have a better response. It doesn't matter. If its known that between the two people and EVERYONE WATCHING the 1st place winner pays the 2nd place person a 25 dollar dinner. Sure go for it. At least people are knowledgable. But don't do it under the table. Wait, so any economic dealing that players make have to be made public now, as well? That's ridiculous. Its also extraordinarily prevalent (public salaries are very common). Then tell me the salary of Huk or Idra. Or tell me the salary of your coworkers/Boss. You probably can't tell me :p. Financial matters should stay private. Yes I can tell you a lot of the salaries of my co-workers. Or in the very least a bracket. And in many sports salaries are public for a very good reason. clearly you won't change your mind about this, if you're not happy about it stop watching it, I'm going to keep watching and so are thousands of other people Hmmm. Maybe there is a better outlook than what meets the eye. Smaller tournaments are more vulnerable to this kind of action. Because they have less intangibles to offer. Correct? Larger tournaments are probably more immune as the intangible benefits start to really outweigh the earnings. To be truly honest. I'm not 100 percent against the split across all tournaments large and small. I am, however, 100 percent against it being kept a secret from me however, it just rubs me the wrong way. I would like to at least know that nothing is on the line for these two players, and I would probably be ok with it to some degree. I am not being unreasonable I think. Most people would think you are. You're not privy to monetary decisions carried out by the players themselves, because they're personal issues altogether. You are, however, free to choose what games of which players you wish to watch. If you believe that they're not entertaining enough because they're possibly tainted by a brokered deal, then you can vote with your time and money - simply stop supporting those players in question by not watching those streams / paying for those VODs.
Right, and thats really all there is to it honestly. Support for competitions where the legitimacy is compromised will always have an endpoint thats unfavorable to everyone. Which is unfortunate and doesnt need to happen.
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On September 02 2011 16:58 vrok wrote:
Giving away some of your prize money after winning to the second place finisher is fine. Agreeing to do this before the match takes place is illegal. Entering such an agreement and doing '1base carrier rush lols' is match fixing and should result in a ban from entering any respectable competitions. Period.
If you think it's fine because you can get away with it, I don't care, you'll have to live with being a disgrace to your profession. If you end up a dumbass and it gets made public, we will fucking crucify you.
You need to learn the difference between match fixing and money splitting. One does not include the other.
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On September 02 2011 16:54 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 16:51 MaestroSC wrote:On September 02 2011 16:47 Kaitlin wrote:Lots of comments about people being able to do whatever they want with their money after the tournament. It's not about what happens after the games are played, it's the agreement entered into before the games are played that affects the integrity of the event. On September 02 2011 16:36 Rekrul wrote:
The problem with this kind of stuff is that there is absolutely no way to stop it if the two are smart about it. All we can ask is that to any potential people doing this to keep the games legit and never let anyone find out about your deals because theres no point. It seems to me that your view is that you realize it's against the rules, but you're ok with it as long as nobody finds out ? His view is that it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. And that it really doesnt affect the games as much as some people think. And that it IS GOING TO HAPPEN. So crying and whining about it is useless. And I dont think he said it was against the rules, but that some stuck up ignorant people, might find it morally incorrect. We should force players to make sure they eat breakfast before big games. If they don't eat breakfast it may impact the games. Also we should ban players if they don't get at least 8 hours a sleep beforehand. /s
Something tells me you won 4th grade debate in elementary school.
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I say we put all pro players in cages and organize tournaments where they compete for their freedom. Tension and real stakes guaranteed.
Seriously though, as long as there is no "I give you X of the prize money if you throw the game" splitting the winnings between team mates or whatever it's hardly an issue for me. There is still pride and fame on the line.... I'd like to see a player that is godly at this game going... " Meh, I don't really care if I loose as long as I take teh moenyz to pimp ma'h ride. " I mean, who needs tens of thousands of ppl chanting his name?
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On September 02 2011 16:58 vrok wrote:
Giving away some of your prize money after winning to the second place finisher is fine. Agreeing to do this before the match takes place is illegal. Entering such an agreement and doing '1base carrier rush lols' is match fixing and should result in a ban from entering any respectable competitions. Period.
If you think it's fine because you can get away with it, I don't care, you'll have to live with being a disgrace to your profession. If you end up a dumbass and it gets made public, we will fucking crucify you.
I dont understand how you became the collective voice of tournament watchers.
Why dont you just say "I WILL HATE YOU" because you think its more threatening when its "WE!" ? But you dont speak for everyone... ?
You are the voice and moral judge of e-sports followers and I dont even know your name/face. I feel like I should have gotten to vote on this.
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On September 02 2011 16:58 vrok wrote:
Giving away some of your prize money after winning to the second place finisher is fine. Agreeing to do this before the match takes place is illegal. Entering such an agreement and doing '1base carrier rush lols' is match fixing and should result in a ban from entering any respectable competitions. Period.
If you think it's fine because you can get away with it, I don't care, you'll have to live with being a disgrace to your profession. If you end up a dumbass and it gets made public, we will fucking crucify you.
Ugh... It's only match fixing if they agree on a winner beforehand, which is something entirely different. If a player is dumb enough to do one base carrier just because they made a deal prior to the match then they shouldn't be a pro starcraft player. Like many have said prior, there's much more than just monetary value in winning a tournament.
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On September 02 2011 16:59 Rekrul wrote:
Now that I think about it if two GSL finalists decided to just chop up the 1st/2nd prize money equally then spent the time before the finals spending it all together getting drunk every night instead of practicing then gave some really crappy hungover finals that'd be way more entertaining than normal games.
So that's what you did to Yellow~
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