EPTSeriously the tournament is lucrative enough, they shouldn't expect to be treated like a golden egg being woooo'd into playing.
If you don't like it don't sign contracts, don't come, just don't expect the tournament to bend to your every will.
MVP's Coach on NASL Korean exit - Page 15
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esotericc
449 Posts
Seriously the tournament is lucrative enough, they shouldn't expect to be treated like a golden egg being woooo'd into playing. If you don't like it don't sign contracts, don't come, just don't expect the tournament to bend to your every will. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:21 Elefanto wrote: Europeans have the same problem, yet i don't see bitching / teams withdrawing. Not when Europeans don't have to play matches at 4AM. That's a pretty big difference. Between choosing to wait deep into the night and lose sleep while risking poor performance in GSL (their primary concern) the following day, dropping out of NASL seems perfectly sensible. Right now there probably isn't enough cash on both sides to make traveling/accomodations perfect for the Koreans. That's not really an issue. It's up to NASL whether they wish to retain Korean players by going the extra mile or not. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:10 missingheaven wrote: "Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic." This is fucking sad. You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL? Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are. Why do people embarrass themselves with posts like these? If you actually bothered to pay attention, you'd know the answer to this question was, "Yes." There are numerous tweets, photos and videos of people like John (the Translator) and Trevor (TorcH) picking up foreign players from the airport and driving them to the Gom House. | ||
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MudkipSEA`
Singapore67 Posts
The Koreans really view it as a sport, and would like their players to be treated like sportsmen. While the rest of the world, is still new to Starcraft 2 as an esport treat sc2 as a gaming event. Thus, what the Koreans EXPECT in their contracts, is what all sportsmen taking part in a foreign event is obligated to. And these expectations might not be what the NASL organizers see as an obligation. Sc2 as an esport is relatively new, its a global sport, not a cultural thing like in scbw. This is rightfully the "beta" stage of the sport, which contributes to the varies misconceptions on both the Korean and NASL parts. Both have to learn to strike a balance in all this expectations for esports to grow. | ||
whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:32 Oktyabr wrote: Not when Europeans don't have to play matches at 4AM. That's a pretty big difference. Between choosing to wait deep into the night and lose sleep while risking poor performance in GSL (their primary concern) the following day, dropping out of NASL seems perfectly sensible. Right now there probably isn't enough cash on both sides to make traveling/accomodations perfect for the Koreans. That's not really an issue. It's up to NASL whether they wish to retain Korean players by going the extra mile or not. Why is this still being brought up? It's been explained at least 100 times that hours have been changed to be better for Koreans AFTER speaking to Korean players. They wouldn't be playing at 4 am. Not that it matters, every job has an expectation and a downside and that's theirs. That's like a truck driver complaining that they have to drive long distances. It's a complaint valid for the average person but it's kind of part of the job description. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
edit: but I think that breaching a black on white contract outweights all of this nuisances, no matter how major they were. so before an apology from the side of NASL, an apology from the teams who broke their contracts should come first! | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:10 missingheaven wrote: "Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic." This is fucking sad. You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL? Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are. Why would the GSL pick up a foreign player if the player hasn't earned it? Some of the Koreans went through a long qualifier (Puma) to get there and they had to wait through a whole night for their opponents to show up week after week. And yes, they are fucking rock stars because they are on top of the e-sports scene. People demand their participation but no tears would be shed if an undeserving foreigner doesn't get his undeserved invite to the GSL. If you or the NASL doesn't like it, you guys can try doing it without them. Good luck trying to find viewers without having the best players. The NASL was so poorly handled that it really doesn't deserve to raise any of their demands. If they don't accept the Korean's terms then so be it. It was not worth paying for any of their crappy services anyway. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:34 MudkipSEA` wrote: In my opinion, it is just their different views on Starcraft 2 generally. The Koreans really view it as a sport, and would like their players to be treated like sportsmen. While the rest of the world, is still new to Starcraft 2 as an esport treat sc2 as a gaming event. Thus, what the Koreans EXPECT in their contracts, is what all sportsmen taking part in a foreign event is obligated to. And these expectations might not be what the NASL organizers see as an obligation. Sc2 as an esport is relatively new, its a global sport, not a cultural thing like in scbw. This is rightfully the "beta" stage of the sport, which contributes to the varies misconceptions on both the Korean and NASL parts. Both have to learn to strike a balance in all this expectations for esports to grow. esports is imba. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:32 Oktyabr wrote: Not when Europeans don't have to play matches at 4AM. That's a pretty big difference. Between choosing to wait deep into the night and lose sleep while risking poor performance in GSL (their primary concern) the following day, dropping out of NASL seems perfectly sensible. Right now there probably isn't enough cash on both sides to make traveling/accomodations perfect for the Koreans. That's not really an issue. It's up to NASL whether they wish to retain Korean players by going the extra mile or not. What. Since when are the timezones for the USA and for EU the same? I can't find the airing times, but last season NASL aired in the night for EU. And i explicitly remember an interview with socke after a match where he was sitting in a bathrobe, because it was in the middle of the night. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
Dude don't focus on a adjective, please focus on what I actually said. The part about it being the last moment when they pulled out. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:00 Greyjoy wrote: I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for both the korean teams and nasl. They seem to release childish articles taking potshots at each other. Furthermore what the hell are the official channels? Nasl released their piece on TL, the site for english sc2. Where else would they post it? i dunno, maybe on www.nasl.tv ? which until now still show the Korean as season 2 player ? http://www.nasl.tv/News/Article/20110727nasl-season-2-players | ||
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sirchatters
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:16 Slider954 wrote: You keep saying the post was inflammatory and non professional. All I want is for you to highlight which parts you feel are that way. Just a few examples is all I'm saying. If it's really that bad, that should be no problem And why do you bring up the issue of a 'significant number of people agree with me'? Is it supposed to impress me? I wouldn't care if I was the only one with my viewpoint in this entire thread. Citing numbers as a way to say you're right doesn't guarantee you are. A 'significant number of people' believe that the USA was behind 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen. Does that make them right? I don't think so. "...Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL..." "...they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]..." "...We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come..." | ||
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esotericc
449 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:41 sirchatters wrote: Am i the only one that finds the "traditional values" comment fairly insulting? They're treating koreans as well or better than everyone else and they say its poor for the players? How about the value of keeping your promises, in this case stated clearly in the form of contracts. Korea is starting to reek of a dying scene trying to hold on to what life it has, which is tragic given the amount of talent they produce. It might be time to wake up and play ball with the rest of the world. Yes koreans are seriously delusional. I always had a inkling about it but this really cements it for me to be honest. They honestly feel like they should be treated significantly better than the rest of the world by the way they are responding. | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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Ozcollo
United States154 Posts
On August 17 2011 15:42 NHY wrote: "...Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL..." "...they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]..." "...We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come..." I don't see how any of what you just posted is inflammatory. Was that your intent or... ? | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
Also u should hire some slaves for Korean players because from all this traveling they are barely able to walk alone, let alone play the game. Even better, hire some ppl to play for them. This will make them feel much more relaxed and the online+competition experience would greatly improve. | ||
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