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This is the most bs I've heard yet from Korea. I would love to see a single receipt showing that a Korean participating in the NASL finals paid for anything other than food during their oh so laborious 3 day trip to the US to grab the majority of the prize money, then leave and complain about it to the rest of the Korean community without saying anything to the NASL. The online qualifier scheduling is the only thing that I am slightly sympathetic towards (even though I personally would wake up at 4 in the morning to participate in a freeroll tournament to gain entry to a 100k tournament).
Expecting the NASL to apologize is even more childish. They have absolutely nothing to apologize for and the Korean players clearly have not communicated with the NASL staff about the problems they had during the finals. They are essentially saying, "we were treated badly during the finals and there is nothing you can do to convince us to come back except apologize and meet all of our demands."
If this is way the majority of professional SC2 Korean pro-gamers actually expect to be treated then I am really disappointed and have lost respect for the Korean teams. I hope they can figure out a way to work things out.
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On August 17 2011 15:29 esotericc wrote:
Lost tons of respect for korean teams over this.
Seriously the tournament is lucrative enough, they shouldn't expect to be treated like a golden egg being woooo'd into playing.
If you don't like it don't sign contracts, don't come, just don't expect the tournament to bend to your every will.
yeah i dont know what the korean teams were expecting, really unproffesional
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Does any other league pay for flight and accomodation of all players?
Does GSL pay (the i would guess rather limited) travel costs for Koreans to the GOM studio?
Does GSL pay flight and accomodation costs for foreigners giving Code A qualifiers a shot?
Does random tennis tournaments around the world pay flight and accomodation of all players?
Does FIFA pay teams' flight and accomodation costs at World Cup?
Does it work like that anywhere in sports or esports?
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Isn't blatantly breaking legally binding contracts supposed to be a big deal? Or is that just not how it's done in Korea?
Also kind of strange that we're getting the opinion of a coach for a team that never was at the tournament, never intends to go the the tournament, and is only privy to hear-say from select other Koreans. Clearly the most balanced and impartial person to provide a Korean opinion on the NASL.
I'd have a lot more respect if we got a statement from the Koreans through these mythical "official channels," until then I don't really see where they're coming from from a business perspective.
And why is Teamliquid, THE site for English SC2 news, not an official channel? Did someone at the TL headquarters forget to sign the Korean-mandated "official channel" papers this month?
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On August 17 2011 15:42 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:16 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 15:07 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:57 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:
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Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people. Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour. i agree. it is what happened. I'm making the point that NASL handled it very, very, very poorly and that the post is inflammatory and not professional. Then why say that there was 'Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph.' when it was actually factual. And I don't see anything that is inflammatory or not professional. Please highlight what parts you feel are inflammatory. well, that's your opinion, and this is my opinion. and a significant number of people (including the koreans) agree with me, enough for that post to be an issue. I can't convince you the post is inflammatory, but you can see from the responses from me, other people in this and the other thread, and the koreans, that the post generated ill-will. the results speak for themselves You keep saying the post was inflammatory and non professional. All I want is for you to highlight which parts you feel are that way. Just a few examples is all I'm saying. If it's really that bad, that should be no problem And why do you bring up the issue of a 'significant number of people agree with me'? Is it supposed to impress me? I wouldn't care if I was the only one with my viewpoint in this entire thread. Citing numbers as a way to say you're right doesn't guarantee you are. A 'significant number of people' believe that the USA was behind 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen. Does that make them right? I don't think so. "...Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL..." "...they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]..." "...We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come..."
1) The koreans did threaten to withdraw and then actually did it!! What, is 'threaten' to harsh of a word for you??
2) That's how the koreans felt, it wasn't a lie or an exaggeration.
3) What the hell is inflammatory about this statement?? They felt is was a fair offer and that's what they stated.
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On August 17 2011 12:50 ThreeActPlay wrote:
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."
Sorry, but this is bunk to me. If you have to be wined and dined to compete, tough. NASL should focus on the production and the broadcast, since that's what the fans care about.
Agree with this, 100%. I find it absurd that Koreans expect the NASL (or any other tournament) to be accountable for the random shit their players need to live and move around in an area. The NASL should assist the teams to do this, but this is the role of the teams and managers, not the tournament. Let the NASL worry about running the tournament smoothly, and let the teams worry about their players checked into a hotel.
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On August 17 2011 15:34 MudkipSEA` wrote:
In my opinion, it is just their different views on Starcraft 2 generally.
The Koreans really view it as a sport, and would like their players to be treated like sportsmen. While the rest of the world, is still new to Starcraft 2 as an esport treat sc2 as a gaming event.
Thus, what the Koreans EXPECT in their contracts, is what all sportsmen taking part in a foreign event is obligated to. And these expectations might not be what the NASL organizers see as an obligation.
Sc2 as an esport is relatively new, its a global sport, not a cultural thing like in scbw. This is rightfully the "beta" stage of the sport, which contributes to the varies misconceptions on both the Korean and NASL parts. Both have to learn to strike a balance in all this expectations for esports to grow.
I think this is a pretty neutral post I can get behind. For NASL, I imagine a lot of things the koreans perceive as unprofessional is really a matter of money. When you have 32 people with expenditures, 80 dollars a head ends up costing a lot for an organization that doesn't have huge sponsorship.
Besides all this, these kinds of things really come down to communication and it doesn't seem like there was much discussion about what everyone's expectations should be aside from what's in the contract. Whose fault that is I can't say, but personally I'm on NASL's side.
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On August 17 2011 15:53 Kreb wrote:
Does any other league pay for flight and accomodation of all players?
Does GSL pay (the i would guess rather limited) travel costs for Koreans to the GOM studio?
Does GSL pay flight and accomodation costs for foreigners giving Code A qualifiers a shot?
Does random tennis tournaments around the world pay flight and accomodation of all players?
Does FIFA pay teams' flight and accomodation costs at World Cup?
Does it work like that anywhere in sports or esports?
Maybe the koreans think they are special or something!
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I have not delved into Korean culture much at all, but I know, as a person of Chinese culture, for a fact that everybody who doesn't understand the "Korean traditional values" thing does not understand the Korean system of respect at all. This is so much more a cultural thing that I'd never expect an American to understand, and it's showing now.
The only thing Korea has done wrong is leave NASL after they signed the contract, which is probably as a result of misunderstanding the terms of agreement..still Korea's fault anyways. But beyond that..
Why is Korea wrong for demanding more? They treat their guests far better than NASL ever has, and they have a right to ask for accommodation and decline invitations if they don't want them as well. They didn't demand anything, they expressed displeasure, asked for more, were not given something to their liking, and declined, albeit after they signed the contract.
You guys are forgetting that just as they are not obligated to special lucrative extras, we are not obligated to see them persevere through what they perceive as disrespectful and probably too unprofitable.
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On August 17 2011 15:42 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:16 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 15:07 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:57 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:18 whateverpeeps wrote:
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Did NASL do that? Quote please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people. Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour. i agree. it is what happened. I'm making the point that NASL handled it very, very, very poorly and that the post is inflammatory and not professional. Then why say that there was 'Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph.' when it was actually factual. And I don't see anything that is inflammatory or not professional. Please highlight what parts you feel are inflammatory. well, that's your opinion, and this is my opinion. and a significant number of people (including the koreans) agree with me, enough for that post to be an issue. I can't convince you the post is inflammatory, but you can see from the responses from me, other people in this and the other thread, and the koreans, that the post generated ill-will. the results speak for themselves You keep saying the post was inflammatory and non professional. All I want is for you to highlight which parts you feel are that way. Just a few examples is all I'm saying. If it's really that bad, that should be no problem And why do you bring up the issue of a 'significant number of people agree with me'? Is it supposed to impress me? I wouldn't care if I was the only one with my viewpoint in this entire thread. Citing numbers as a way to say you're right doesn't guarantee you are. A 'significant number of people' believe that the USA was behind 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen. Does that make them right? I don't think so. "...Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL..." "...they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]..." "...We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come..."
1) Well they did. If it's a spade then call it a spade.
2) That's just a statement of fact. "They don't think ___" is just explaining their view. It's not saying "Oh those horrible Koreans don't even think they have to pay." that's a misinterpretation that results when oyu add emotion to an otherwise unemotional sentence.
3) That's just saying what they felt about their offer. It's like saying, "I recommended a red jacket because I thought red looked the best."
Seriously if that's the best anyone can do...then that alone says a lot.
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"..To top things off, the single elimination playoff bracket was a best of three format – losing just two maps out of three after a lengthy nine weeks of qualifying would knock the players out of the tournament, leaving them feeling like their journey and the cost of the trip were in vain."
I think they really should add double elimination since they had enough casters. If for instance, Incontrol + Gretorp were casting, Tastosis could have also casted the loser bracket or winners bracket. Day9 was also present so they could have switched each caster around for breaks,etc. A long flight from Europe or Korea to lose a single elimination pretty much sucks after nine weeks of qualifying for the Grand Finals.
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On August 17 2011 15:36 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:32 Oktyabr wrote:On August 17 2011 15:21 Elefanto wrote:On August 17 2011 13:06 NHY wrote:On August 17 2011 13:02 sirkyex wrote:
I foresee a contradiction. NASL had a problem with walkovers and people not showing up for matches on time in the league so they raised the deposits so its more of a penalty for flaking out. Koreans want them to eliminate deposit and make sure people show up on time for matches.... suggestions? Problem is not that people don't show up on time. It's that when they don't, people who did show up on time (koreans) had to wait. Europeans have the same problem, yet i don't see bitching / teams withdrawing. Not when Europeans don't have to play matches at 4AM. That's a pretty big difference. Between choosing to wait deep into the night and lose sleep while risking poor performance in GSL (their primary concern) the following day, dropping out of NASL seems perfectly sensible. Right now there probably isn't enough cash on both sides to make traveling/accomodations perfect for the Koreans. That's not really an issue. It's up to NASL whether they wish to retain Korean players by going the extra mile or not. Why is this still being brought up? It's been explained at least 100 times that hours have been changed to be better for Koreans AFTER speaking to Korean players. They wouldn't be playing at 4 am. Not that it matters, every job has an expectation and a downside and that's theirs. That's like a truck driver complaining that they have to drive long distances. It's a complaint valid for the average person but it's kind of part of the job description.
I'm not defending their move to pull out after signing the contract. That's obviously unprofessional. I'm just stating why, from the Korean's perspective, is NASL not in any way a good tournament to participate in.
You can go on telling them that it's their job and take it/leave it - it doesn't matter. They still have the GSL to play in - with way more prestige, money, and significance to their sponsors. It's entirely irrelevant to discuss whether Koreans should put in extra effort in carrying out this job of theirs.
The issue here is whether it's a smart business decision at the end of the day for NASL to not try harder to accomodate the Koreans. Having more Koreans *generally* raises the viewership count. Maybe they have done their math and decided long ago that their business model can continue without the Koreans - great for them. Hopefully that's the case.
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the rest of the world are at fault. if they actually defeated the Koreans out of getting into the playoffs at all, THERE WOULD BE NO KOREANS LEFT TO COMPLAIN.
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On August 17 2011 16:00 Lamphead wrote:
I have not delved into Korean culture much at all, but I know, as a person of Chinese culture, for a fact that everybody who doesn't understand the "Korean traditional values" thing does not understand the Korean system of respect at all. This is so much more a cultural thing that I'd never expect an American to understand, and it's showing now.
The only thing Korea has done wrong is leave NASL after they signed the contract, which is probably as a result of misunderstanding the terms of agreement..still Korea's fault anyways. But beyond that..
Why is Korea wrong for demanding more? They treat their guests far better than NASL ever has, and they have a right to ask for accommodation and decline invitations if they don't want them as well. They didn't demand anything, they expressed displeasure, asked for more, were not given something to their liking, and declined, albeit after they signed the contract.
You guys are forgetting that just as they are not obligated to special lucrative extras, we are not obligated to see them persevere through what they perceive as disrespectful and probably too unprofitable.
I agree with you for the most part, but I think a large reason why this became a huge problem is that the Koreans initiated negotiations but didn't follow up on them, didn't seem to take them seriously, didn't provide a clear contact for the negotiations (in fact, hid the people behind the negotiations).
I really truly feel that if team managers had gone to NASL directly, things would have ended differently and many Koreans would still be participating.
INstead, they decided to sign contracts, then band together and pressure the remaining to band or be shamed, told someone to tell someone who got Mr.Chae to translate to tell NASL that they have concerns, and then responded to the concerns 15 days later, 2 days after filming started.
Pretty pathetic attempt at negotiating. It's not a simple matter of expressing displeasure and asking for more, because they actually never did that.
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On August 17 2011 15:53 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:42 NHY wrote:On August 17 2011 15:16 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 15:07 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:57 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:48 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 17 2011 14:40 Kaneh wrote:On August 17 2011 14:31 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 14:20 Kaneh wrote:[quote] http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750or did you miss then entire community news thing. The whole post is just bashing on the korean/korean teams. EDIT:: to be more precise, the whole thing reads like an angry/raging joe average poster instead of the representative of a league annoucing news All I have to say buddy is that you are reading something into that post that really isn't there. I saw not one phrase of bashing. All I saw was, "This is what happened. We are disappointed." Disappointed is probably the closest you actually get to a negative emotion, and it simply refers to the face that they're not happy with how negotiations turned out. This article does more "bashing" and even it's not actually bashing. from the NASL post We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season. straight up "son I'm dissapoint" from NASL. Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph. The entire post was trying to drum up emotions instead of being factual news. This is the exact kinda stuff that makes NASL appear like a very amateur organization to me and a signifigant number of people. Please do your research, that is exactly what happened. The koreans played their qualifiers, before the S1 grand finals. Then even after they saw how they were "treated" they still went ahead and signed the contracts for S2. Then after that is when they brought up their concerns to NASL right before S2 was about to start, and then pulled out after 2 days of filming had already happened. That's pretty much the definition of waiting till the final hour. i agree. it is what happened. I'm making the point that NASL handled it very, very, very poorly and that the post is inflammatory and not professional. Then why say that there was 'Not a single hard fact in that entire paragraph.' when it was actually factual. And I don't see anything that is inflammatory or not professional. Please highlight what parts you feel are inflammatory. well, that's your opinion, and this is my opinion. and a significant number of people (including the koreans) agree with me, enough for that post to be an issue. I can't convince you the post is inflammatory, but you can see from the responses from me, other people in this and the other thread, and the koreans, that the post generated ill-will. the results speak for themselves You keep saying the post was inflammatory and non professional. All I want is for you to highlight which parts you feel are that way. Just a few examples is all I'm saying. If it's really that bad, that should be no problem And why do you bring up the issue of a 'significant number of people agree with me'? Is it supposed to impress me? I wouldn't care if I was the only one with my viewpoint in this entire thread. Citing numbers as a way to say you're right doesn't guarantee you are. A 'significant number of people' believe that the USA was behind 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen. Does that make them right? I don't think so. "...Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL..." "...they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]..." "...We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come..." 1) The koreans did threaten to withdraw and then actually did it!! What, is 'threaten' to harsh of a word for you?? 2) That's how the koreans felt, it wasn't a lie or an exaggeration. 3) What the hell is inflammatory about this statement?? They felt is was a fair offer and that's what they stated.
1) It is inflammatory. People are calling it a negotiation for a reason.
2) It wasn't a complete lie but it is somewhat misleading in a way that paints bad pictures for them.
3) They have stated their opinion, which Koreans clearly disagree, in a way that would arouse hostility. In my book, that's an inflammatory remark.
This isn't about right or wrong(regarding how inflammatory NASL's announcement is). It's just PR and NASL didn't do a good job with their thread.
See EG - Liquid posting about Huk. No one is calling it inflammatory.
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On August 17 2011 16:03 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 15:36 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 17 2011 15:32 Oktyabr wrote:On August 17 2011 15:21 Elefanto wrote:On August 17 2011 13:06 NHY wrote:On August 17 2011 13:02 sirkyex wrote:
I foresee a contradiction. NASL had a problem with walkovers and people not showing up for matches on time in the league so they raised the deposits so its more of a penalty for flaking out. Koreans want them to eliminate deposit and make sure people show up on time for matches.... suggestions? Problem is not that people don't show up on time. It's that when they don't, people who did show up on time (koreans) had to wait. Europeans have the same problem, yet i don't see bitching / teams withdrawing. Not when Europeans don't have to play matches at 4AM. That's a pretty big difference. Between choosing to wait deep into the night and lose sleep while risking poor performance in GSL (their primary concern) the following day, dropping out of NASL seems perfectly sensible. Right now there probably isn't enough cash on both sides to make traveling/accomodations perfect for the Koreans. That's not really an issue. It's up to NASL whether they wish to retain Korean players by going the extra mile or not. Why is this still being brought up? It's been explained at least 100 times that hours have been changed to be better for Koreans AFTER speaking to Korean players. They wouldn't be playing at 4 am. Not that it matters, every job has an expectation and a downside and that's theirs. That's like a truck driver complaining that they have to drive long distances. It's a complaint valid for the average person but it's kind of part of the job description. I'm not defending their move to pull out after signing the contract. That's obviously unprofessional. I'm just stating why, from the Korean's perspective, is NASL not in any way a good tournament to participate in. You can go on telling them that it's their job and take it/leave it - it doesn't matter. They still have the GSL to play in - with way more prestige, money, and significance to their sponsors. It's entirely irrelevant to discuss whether Koreans should put in extra effort in carrying out this job of theirs. The issue here is whether it's a smart business decision at the end of the day for NASL to not try harder to accomodate the Koreans. Having more Koreans *generally* raises the viewership count. Maybe they have done their math and decided long ago that their business model can continue without the Koreans - great for them. Hopefully that's the case.
Oh I understand that, but I'm saying, a lot the concerns that they had and what made NASL a difficult league to play in were addressed and changed for Season 2, making it much more Korean-friendly.
So I don't think "NASL is too difficult to play in" was a reason for withdrawal, unless they didn't get the memo that these things were changed, which is a possibility because the Koreans chose not to speak or negotiate with NASL directly.
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I see wrong things and bad manner on both sides.
Sadly those two sides just look at the mistakes of the other!
Well, just have to hope for the best! NASL is/was the first attempt do do such a big league for SC(2) outside of Korea! They will be getting better (hopefully)!
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On August 17 2011 15:53 Kreb wrote:
Does any other league pay for flight and accomodation of all players?
Does GSL pay (the i would guess rather limited) travel costs for Koreans to the GOM studio?
Does GSL pay flight and accomodation costs for foreigners giving Code A qualifiers a shot?
Does random tennis tournaments around the world pay flight and accomodation of all players?
Does FIFA pay teams' flight and accomodation costs at World Cup?
Does it work like that anywhere in sports or esports?
GOM does provide a free training house for foreigners. In fact once you're in Korea, GOM will pay for all expenses minus food as long as you intend to fight in the GSL or GSTL and meet the skill requirements (done via application). GOM is pretty generous.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Foreigner_House
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Standard Korean business tactic of "hide the leader." Which is a cultural difference, yes, but it's such a backwards one that it really will affect how international companies do business with them if they don't change it.
What you are describing there is what is commonly known as a democracy lol
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There is nothing wrong with a security deposit. Even with it there were players who no-showed matches and just left a bad taste in the fans' mouths. It's disrespectful to the league trying to grow when players just ditch their matches for whatever reason and that is what a security deposit is supposed to help. Hell, everything has a security deposit. Welcome to real life.
Second, the Koreans want everything provided for them, because according to them, NASL is nothing without them. Oh really? Let's see how many fans you keep getting when you have that attitude. Yeah I respect how well Koreans play and how much training they put in, but just having great starcraft 2 matches isn't going to bring in the fans. If this were the case, baseball would only have 2 teams, yankees and red sox. Basketball would have 2 or 3 teams, and each of the sports would be dead by now.
Fans aren't paying money to see Koreans get treated like kings. Fans pay money for great production, and a great live tournament experience. I can't really even see what NASL did wrong in providing travel stipends that can cover the costs of flights, etc, and providing transport to and from the site. If I'm competing in a major tournament and get treated that well, I would always come back and be extremely surprised at how well someone is treating me, being just a player.
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