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Very interesting topic. I've been so sick and tired of all the bm trolls on the ladder (which there are so many), so these days when I enter ladder the first thing I do is to send my workers to the mineral line of course, but the next thing I do is to put my opponent on ignore list - especially if I am planning to do an all-in strategy in the game. I don't even want to listen to those whines.
Some of those people might actually had been good-mannered, I don't know. If some actually did, I would feel quite sorry. Today I played three games(all wins) without ignoring and I've got one BMer already - so that is like already a 33% odd. This is a reason that also forces me to look for some other practice options than laddering... (Srsly, I need some practice partners ...)
I hope there were some methods to filter the chats better - so that I don't have to block every other player I face on the ladder.
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On August 23 2011 07:13 Lisitsa wrote:
Very interesting topic. I've been so sick and tired of all the bm trolls on the ladder (which there are so many), so these days when I enter ladder the first thing I do is to send my workers to the mineral line of course, but the next thing I do is to put my opponent on ignore list - especially if I am planning to do an all-in strategy in the game. I don't even want to listen to those whines.
Some of those people might actually had been good-mannered, I don't know. If some actually did, I would feel quite sorry. Today I played three games(all wins) without ignoring and I've got one BMer already - so that is like already a 33% odd. This is a reason that also forces me to look for some other practice options than laddering... (Srsly, I need some practice partners ...)
I hope there were some methods to filter the chats better - so that I don't have to block every other player I face on the ladder.
I believe that's what Day[9] does too: immediately ignores the player. I don't see a problem with this method; if you're there to play the game and not talk to your opponent then ignoring them on start is the most efficient method of accomplishing that goal.
Question: if you ignore the player, do you still see what they post in the game chat?
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You don't see anything they enter during the game but you can still see it afterward in a replay.
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Also, I've found out that it is a lot lesser likely to get BMed in mirror matchups, leading to the assumption that a part of ladder trolling has to do with what they think as racial imbalance.
It was a Terran player today (I am Protoss), which made so much sense when I have like 10% win rate in my PvT. Seriously that was only my 3rd win against Terran from ALL of this season. But I wouldn't whine about it, especially not on random ladder opponents.
Good work, need more people like you on the ladder OP.
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On August 23 2011 07:17 Probe1 wrote:
You don't see anything they enter during the game but you can still see it afterward in a replay.
Cool, thanks for the clarification.
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There is definately no need for bashing the other player when you lose, but I'm a firm believer in not GGing if I don't feel it was a good game. If I feel like I and my opponent played well then i will tell him. I feel like to much attention is paid to the lack of a GG in ladder matches, especially in the pros.
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On August 23 2011 07:21 Kernen wrote:
There is definately no need for bashing the other player when you lose, but I'm a firm believer in not GGing if I don't feel it was a good game. If I feel like I and my opponent played well then i will tell him. I feel like to much attention is paid to the lack of a GG in ladder matches, especially in the pros.
I think that at a pro level it is more a professionalism thing than a manner thing. For the normal (read: non-pro) player, saying GG really doesn't mean too much beyond politeness and sportsmanship. On the other hand, pros have to deal with sponsorships, team relations, PR, and all this other stuff. It is more important for them to keep professional (since it is basically their job) than for us to do it. If you want to extend this out even more, you can start talking about how being professional helps E-Sports and all that stuff, but I'm not gonna get into that.
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i find that this actually REALLY helps me get over my ladder fear lol, if i FORCE myself to say: glhf mate! w/ a heart or smiley
always seems to help make friends and put a lighter mood on the game
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I always say GG in a tournament match, or any other official game.
In ladder though, i never GG. I respond with a "glhf" if my opponent comes up with that on the start of the game, but i never type GG.
It's not because of disrespect for my opponent, but it's just one of many ladder games against anonymous players. It's practice.
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Do you really think people "execute good rushes well" and deserve credit for that?
Bad manner is sometimes more honest than saying thanks when someone spits in your face
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On August 23 2011 07:34 Grackula wrote:
Do you really think people "execute good rushes well" and deserve credit for that?
Bad manner is sometimes more honest than saying thanks when someone spits in your face
Yeah, I think he did it well. He denied scouting and I only caught wind of it when it was too late. I guess it was my fault because I suspected it and didn't react but nevertheless, he did perform the strategy well and micro'd well when he got to my base.
Rushes, like any strategy, can be performed poorly or well. Personally, I think being able to distinguish between the two makes me a better player.
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On August 23 2011 07:28 Kafkaesk wrote:
I always say GG in a tournament match, or any other official game.
In ladder though, i never GG. I respond with a "glhf" if my opponent comes up with that on the start of the game, but i never type GG.
It's not because of disrespect for my opponent, but it's just one of many ladder games against anonymous players. It's practice.
I mostly face ppl like you on the ladder, mostly always gl hf but never gg. 
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I always, "GG," after nearly every game. "GG WP," if they actually beat me through what I would consider out-playing me.
I only get mad/don't say anything if it's REALLY bad. Like marine/SCV all-in... Kinda hard to GG to that.
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As for the league difference, I find significantly more BMers on the Master leagues than in Dia/Plat/etc. I assume it is just harder for them to consume the fact that they've been outplayed.
I normally don't type gg, not because I don't concede defeat, only because I generally don't like chatting with my opponents at all (chances are that I might have already ignored him...)
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On August 23 2011 07:21 Kernen wrote:
There is definately no need for bashing the other player when you lose, but I'm a firm believer in not GGing if I don't feel it was a good game. If I feel like I and my opponent played well then i will tell him. I feel like to much attention is paid to the lack of a GG in ladder matches, especially in the pros.
I agree with statement. Although I've been getting into the habit of GG regardless of whatever i think about the game. Except for the occasionally ridiculous all-in. But then i usually just float my builds and don't say anything than start BMing.
And to be honest sometimes I enjoy nerd tears with my daily laddering.
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On August 23 2011 07:41 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 07:28 Kafkaesk wrote:
I always say GG in a tournament match, or any other official game.
In ladder though, i never GG. I respond with a "glhf" if my opponent comes up with that on the start of the game, but i never type GG.
It's not because of disrespect for my opponent, but it's just one of many ladder games against anonymous players. It's practice. I mostly face ppl like you on the ladder, mostly always gl hf but never gg.
Don't see anything wrong with that. I don't expect my random ladder opponents to GG too.
Those guys who type glhf at the beginning and then flame after they have lost are much worse.
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PvT on Shakura`s Plateau. Opponent showed signs of a delayed 1-1-1 and I reacted accordingly. The game went on and I had him heavyly contained in two bases (even denied a third) and thought to myself "might as well practice my macro instead of trying to bust through a million bunkers and tanks". I went scouting with obs for hidden bases but misplaced one in a base between the rocks. When I found his hidden base... he had a million BCs and instakilled everything I had. I thought it was pretty funny how I went from "unlosable" to "dead" in 1s, so I laughed with him when he yamatoed a bunch of stuff. I typed "gg : )" when...
He left game.
I couldn`t belive it. He had the cheesiest, coolest comeback and gave me the win. I asked him why and he said "you were too nice, I couldn`t let you lose". Made my day, specially after being repeatedly offended all day by 13 year olds making obvious mistakes. Now I hope I can rematch against him and properly give his win back.
edit: spelling.
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This is just stupid, every day should be like this, not "The Week For This"
I allways GG, and sometimes WP also if the match was really good
People who watch WhiteRa should understand
More GG = More Skill
No GG = No Skill
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I just got a gm surrender. I wonder if he was influenced by this thread 
I was dumbstruck so I didn't reply back xD
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On August 23 2011 06:58 TheRageKage12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 06:55 Megakenny wrote:
I only gg when its a good game, if I dont think it is I just leave. Out of curiosity, do you have criterion to consider something a "good game?" Like, do you not consider it good if you make a critical mistake or if your opponent completely stomps you?
Something like that. Ive had a game where I accidentally cancelled my first gateway and just lost to a 4 gate (PvP), or where I play like garbage for the entire game.
It doesnt mean my opponent isnt good, or wouldn't beat me otherwise, but gg is for "good game". Those situations were not good games in my eyes.
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