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I always find the chat on live streams insanely terrible. >_< It's just filled with trolls who think they understand the game a lot and try to let everybody know that they do.
My opinion on casters is that they're REALLY fun to watch and honestly I probably wouldn't have played Starcraft without finding casters. + Show Spoiler + And wouldn't have continued to play SC2 without again finding Team Liquid at the beginning of this 2011 year. GO TL 
This combined with the "idiocy" of the internet could be the hate on casters that you're talking about. (Some pro player talks about how casters are stupid when it comes to SC, and bronze-folk follow.)
Also from what I've noticed the small time I've basically been lurking here, is that the quality of people has just degraded. :/
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On August 03 2011 10:15 Probe1 wrote:
Where on earth did you get the name ThePianoDentist
from a late 90's (?) satirical british comedy called Brass Eye written by Chris Morris. it's a reference to that, he just uses the phrase when talking absolute bollocks to a (real) drug dealer "I don't want to wake up feeling like a bloody piano dentist". i just found it amusing and it's my favourite comedy so i thought id give a nod to that. also my xbox gamertag, and nowadays i get called 'piano' more often than i do johnny (thats when you know you're gaming a bit too much 
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Welcome to the internet.
Seriously though, this isn't any different from every other gaming community. I'm not sure why you would find Starcraft2 to be an exception. Best thing to do is ignore the trolls and not give them the attention they desperately want.
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Yeah those are annoying, but you forgot the big one. THOSE F KERS WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT BALANCE
Stupid nerds thinking just because their in diamond they know enough about the game to begin talking shit.
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Most of the casters I dislike have a negative casting style and like to highlight player mistakes.
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On August 03 2011 10:17 PopcornColonel wrote:When I began to read your post, I didn't think I would agree, but when I thought about it while watching IPL, I realized how much people actually are douchebags towards players. There were many comments in the EGMachine vs RGNSpades match that made me facepalm, along the line of "Wow BOTH these players are so bad," when I doubt literally any of them could beat either player. I just think some don't have the place to talk. Constructive criticism is fine, but outright calling pro players bad is just nonsensical. I don't know if I was being trolled, but they seemed pretty serious. Examples: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vfyGH.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t5GCw.jpg)
yeah i wasnt sure whether to make this thread until the spades machine match where it just went to the next level.
the zerg player had like 7? bases and apparently had shocking macro because he let his gas go over 1000 with 6/7 bases. this was one of the most respectful comments.
the other day at mlg boxer had 10k minerals in a match, omg, boxer is the worst player ever!
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On August 03 2011 10:35 ThePianoDentist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 10:17 PopcornColonel wrote:When I began to read your post, I didn't think I would agree, but when I thought about it while watching IPL, I realized how much people actually are douchebags towards players. There were many comments in the EGMachine vs RGNSpades match that made me facepalm, along the line of "Wow BOTH these players are so bad," when I doubt literally any of them could beat either player. I just think some don't have the place to talk. Constructive criticism is fine, but outright calling pro players bad is just nonsensical. I don't know if I was being trolled, but they seemed pretty serious. Examples: yeah i wasnt sure whether to make this thread until the spades machine match where it just went to the next level. the zerg player had like 7? bases and apparently had shocking macro because he let his gas go over 1000 with 6/7 bases. this was one of the most respectful comments. the other day at mlg boxer had 10k minerals in a match, omg, boxer is the worst player ever!
well boxer has proven that he is a top player and he can make 1000 mistakes and will still always be a great player and almost nobody has the right to say otherwise. As for the machine/spades match, machine played poorly for his usual self and spades is a hacker so nobody cares about him.
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I do agree this much negativity is ridiculous. For example, on the public opinion about teams 80% or something like that said that teams like Zenex and NShoseoo are terrible. How on earth can you argue that they are terrible teams?! It seems that much of the community is eager to make definite statements without any sort of rational argument to preceding it, and most of the time is just to shit on someone.
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On August 03 2011 10:25 ARcherTuRtle wrote:I always find the chat on live streams insanely terrible. >_< It's just filled with trolls who think they understand the game a lot and try to let everybody know that they do. My opinion on casters is that they're REALLY fun to watch and honestly I probably wouldn't have played Starcraft without finding casters. + Show Spoiler + And wouldn't have continued to play SC2 without again finding Team Liquid at the beginning of this 2011 year. GO TL but after I started to understand Starcraft and play it at a kind of better level, you start to realize that most casters that you might watch aren't even diamond level, so you almost feel inferior watching them, basically. High analysis-based casters would just become more fun to listen to. People like Day[9], Artosis(/Tasteless) or high level players when they cast like IdrA in the IPL and Painuser. This combined with the "idiocy" of the internet could be the hate on casters that you're talking about. (Some pro player talks about how casters are stupid when it comes to SC, and bronze-folk follow.) Also from what I've noticed the small time I've basically been lurking here, is that the quality of people has just degraded. :/
TBH some casters are just as bad. There's some master players who really are NOT that great at all. Lumping up a queen early/mid game into your attack force and accidently sending it halfway across a creep-less map? Being Force Fielded by the last remaining forces of a protoss army and instead of retreating roaches who cant get range to ball up some more with superior remaxing macro, choosing to let those roaches sit there and hit 1 of the last 5 stalkers standing as the single colossus helps wipe out said roaches? Banning me from their chat because I offered the suggestion that in such a situation a quick ling swarm could flank the units and kill the colossus in all likelyhood, and at least do a lot of damage to stalker while roaches have the heat taken off them until force fields pass?
And then the response to a single piece of advice is "LOL gtfo plat you dont know what you're talking about".
Its like that other thread talking about the validity of some people being in master when people of lower divisions are clearly better/more knowledgeable. I will agree that the comments get out of hand, but lets not kid ourselves when it comes to many casters that are simple "meh" or "average" in play ability, so in comparison with what we know they should do, them failing to do those things multiple times over the course of a single game can definitely sway informed opinion. The rest are in fact just trolls.
Just yesterday I had a "master" division player call me bad and knowing nothing, and laugh for saying baneling/roach/corruptor is a good counter to zealot/stalker/colossus... He had 6 colossus, and with all the zealots insta-dead from the banelings, the roaches proceed to hug the stalkers and massacre them. maxed army vs maxed army. 12 roaches and 8 corruptors survive. no colossi survive. But he was intent on saying he's master so he's better and that is a fail unit comp to laugh at...
On August 03 2011 11:16 Paramo wrote:
I do agree this much negativity is ridiculous. For example, on the public opinion about teams 80% or something like that said that teams like Zenex and NShoseoo are terrible. How on earth can you argue that they are terrible teams?! It seems that much of the community is eager to make definite statements without any sort of rational argument to preceding it, and most of the time is just to shit on someone.
See: Germany, WW2.
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On August 03 2011 10:17 Chill wrote:
This aura of negativity is frustrating and it's something new to the Starcraft community. It's made me not want to cast, stream, post, basically... do anything.
You must persevere Chill! We need you to tell everyone to.............chill out?
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I was just wondering why everytime i watch a stream of an sc2 match with chat how come it seems that every caster is apparently a dic with no game knowledge and every player who loses is total shit.
We've all been to the chats before...
The internet is like this man, not much to say about it, 'cept for maybe come to SlayerSDragon's stream. Total badass.
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On August 03 2011 10:17 Chill wrote:
This aura of negativity is frustrating and it's something new to the Starcraft community. It's made me not want to cast, stream, post, basically... do anything.
I have a feeling that a lot people feel exactly like you. Better stay distant from the community and not interact with it than having to deal with the constant crap that comes out of peoples mouth.
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People that post on live stream chats are often complete idiots. I'm not sure who they are or where they came from, but it's definitely better to avoid the chat.
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My opinion in which there is so much negativity going on in the SC2 community is most likely because of the easier to use UI and better AI
in BW it was pretty damn hard to get good at that, and I guess people realized that and stopped talking shit
but in SC2 they expect players to be better because its 'easier'
just my 2 cents anyways
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On August 03 2011 11:21 Rotodyne wrote:
People that post on live stream chats are often complete idiots. I'm not sure who they are or where they came from, but it's definitely better to avoid the chat.
there is usually one complete idiot among them, I;'d say at a 1:10 ratio to "normies". So its usuaklly better than not. If a chat is FULL of them, the mods are not banning them, so its a place for them to gather and troll each other. Well, sometimes someone has to sacrifice their chat channel so the others can live in peace.
however I have, often too, seen people who use a self righteous attitude when saying someone's "trolling" even if their comments are legitimate and factually backed. TeamLiquid channel SC2 in game chat has been getting a number of these. There's a difference between real trolls and people with actual differences of opinion based on rational thought. A lot of people will try to debase anyone's opinion with calling them a "troll", and In my eyes that makes them just another bad idiot troll. There IS a thought and rationality thread around these forums somewhere, I believe its called Critical Thinking.
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Chat in live streams is terrrrrrrrrrrible. Viewers tend to point out all the faults in gameplay. It is obviously much easier to analyze everything from a spectator's point of view and suggest correct play than flawlessly execute one's strategy. I don't think players really care about the majority of trolling comments in their streams since most of them are exactly that, trolls.
Most caster bashing is due to lack of game knowledge. I know that most of the upcoming casters (who aren't pro players or previously pro) are doing their best to improve their game sense and knowledge of strategies, however, sometimes I feel like I know more than casters do from just watching GSL vods. I know it is very difficult to talk for entire game lengths at a time, but there are areas for improvement for many casters.
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They are retarded trolls who should be ignored...just roll with it
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Welcome to why immediately hiding the chat is the first thing I do upon opening a stream page.
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Partially why I often can't stand being in a chat of a somewhat popular streamer. So much spam, so many people talking over each other, gives me a blistering headache (T_T;) Because of this it's also generally impossible to speak to anyone, let alone have a conversation. Unless, as I said, it's a less popular streamer and theres fewer people talking over each other. But more on topic, yeah, theres idiots everywhere that act like you can't be good and lose at the same time.
Kind of like Wolf in todays video by Artosis, Wolf lost about 90% of all his games, however that doesn't mean wolf is bad or he didn't learn anything. In fact you learn more from losing. Very obviously, because you didn't win, you didn't play perfectly, so what'd you do wrong? Anyway, that was pretty off topic too ('>,<')
Yeah, it all goes back to internet anonymity, especially when it's a chat room on a stream. Your post is gonna be gone in a few seconds, forever forgotten. So basically you can get away with a lot of shit.
Comment section in YT are very very bad too, I don't often refer to much as complete thrash, but really that's the best way of describing YT comment sections (#_#)
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As long as I just stay on TL, everything will be fine.
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