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I was just wondering why everytime i watch a stream of an sc2 match with chat how come it seems that every caster is apparently a dic with no game knowledge and every player who loses is total shit.
it just annoys me to see good players who've put so much time into the game, are great fun to watch and learn from just being torn to shreds by viewers who probably don't have a clue just because that player lost a couple of games recently. For instance one player will play a great game making only one mistake and it'll be "OMG Rofl. X is so awful for making Y mistake." do these people making these comments always play a perfect game with no mistakes, why are they not in ipl or already beating koreans then?
that doesn't even include caster bashing. I don't understand the people who constantly hate on certain casters, maybe im just not experienced enough to realise casters may not know much, i dont know. but from what I gathered these casters earned their places by putting hard work and effort for little or no financial game into commentating replays or streams and helping educate and entertain fellow players. it seems wrong to me to just hate on people who only do what they do for the fans of sc2 and the community.
im kind of new to the starcraft scene and just wondered whether stream chats were actually representative of the majority of the community or whether it's only idiots who bother to chat whilst watching matches as I hope is the case.
as i first started watching brood war and it was refreshing after coming from console fps where top players are treated with disdain for 'having no life', that all the brood war players seem to be treated with the most utmost respect. Which is why it's confusing and sad to see all the stupid hateful comments when watching sc2, to see many people who just seem to enjoy hating everybody involved in the game. This is not meant to be a troll thread or to start any hatred because i am hoping that people will explain those i am describing are in the minority of the sc2 community.
maybe the solution is to just always hide chat and hide the few idiots. :/
edit:my bad. turns out in some scenarios of high level matches even the winning player is sometimes awful and "should just die"
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There are these posters man. You think they would be good and all since they are pros but they go and make fuzzy statements or putting comas after and's and stuff.
I never make those mistakes posting on 4chan, I could be better than them if I posted 8 hours a day.
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Generally speaking, from my understanding, it is the vocal minority as iNcontrol puts it. While most of the viewers simply watch the stream full screened, at least anyone that i have actually talked to when watching a tournament does that, it makes it quite hard to talk in chat, meaning that those who are don't care about the game as much as being noticed.
On the other hand, you do not have to be able to play a perfect game to be able to know where a pro is making mistakes (just cause I get supply blocked doesn't mean I can't say x player should not have gotten supply blocked.) That being said though, I think that those who are pointing out players faults are not doing so in what anyone would call a respectful manner nor a helpful one.
The same logic, at least for me, applies to those who caster bash as well. Long story short though, if you care about the games, and want to listen to the people commentating them, just full screen it or hide the chat, and enjoy, and always remember, haters gonna hate.
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Stream chats and Youtube comments are Internet sewers. If you happen to be there don't be surprised it stinks
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No one is ever supposed to lose a single game of starcraft in their lives
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TBH the vast majority of those people are regulars of Steven Bonnells stream. I watched steven turn off his stream 2 days ago, then I saw mass kids talking shit on BlackCitadel.
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On August 03 2011 10:08 how wrote:
Generally speaking, from my understanding, it is the vocal minority as iNcontrol puts it. While most of the viewers simply watch the stream full screened, at least anyone that i have actually talked to when watching a tournament does that, it makes it quite hard to talk in chat, meaning that those who are don't care about the game as much as being noticed.
On the other hand, you do not have to be able to play a perfect game to be able to know where a pro is making mistakes (just cause I get supply blocked doesn't mean I can't say x player should not have gotten supply blocked.) That being said though, I think that those who are pointing out players faults are not doing so in what anyone would call a respectful manner nor a helpful one.
The same logic, at least for me, applies to those who caster bash as well. Long story short though, if you care about the games, and want to listen to the people commentating them, just full screen it or hide the chat, and enjoy, and always remember, haters gonna hate.
yeah. again not trying to start any game flaming but i enjoy reading the chat for brood war matches if I'm ever watching one....plus i like to play poker in the bottom left corner alot. also yes it's not just pointing out errors made by pro's, it's the tone with which they're pointed out.
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o gawd are you really complaining about stream chat?
I hope you realize the generic person in stream chat is a malicious heartless wanna be troll. Seriously stream chats are often the scum of the earth.
Don't take anything you read in stream chats to be the 'voice of the community' or anything. In reality it's like 2 fat obnoxious people spamming about the streamers skill etc.
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On August 03 2011 10:11 JediGamer wrote:
TBH the vast majority of those people are regulars of Steven Bonnells stream. I watched steven turn off his stream 2 days ago, then I saw mass kids talking shit on BlackCitadel.
ugh thats really sad....i kinda of agree, but the thing that pisses me off is when someone loses a bo3 people just assume he lsot cuz hes much worse than him....well waht if the games were nail bitingly close? numbers wont show that...
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I've noticed it too, and I wish streams had stricter moderation. If they just start permabanning the trolls eventually the stream chats will be less of the Wild West that they are now.
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Where on earth did you get the name ThePianoDentist
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This aura of negativity is frustrating and it's something new to the Starcraft community. It's made me not want to cast, stream, post, basically... do anything.
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When I began to read your post, I didn't think I would agree, but when I thought about it while watching IPL, I realized how much people actually are douchebags towards players. There were many comments in the EGMachine vs RGNSpades match that made me facepalm, along the line of "Wow BOTH these players are so bad," when I doubt literally any of them could beat either player.
I just think some don't have the place to talk. Constructive criticism is fine, but outright calling pro players bad is just nonsensical.
I don't know if I was being trolled, but they seemed pretty serious.
Examples:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vfyGH.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t5GCw.jpg)
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On August 03 2011 10:09 Alexj wrote:
Stream chats and Youtube comments are Internet sewers. If you happen to be there don't be surprised it stinks
Well put my friend, I have also noticed the certain troll like attitude of most(or many) stream chatters.
This doesn't apply to smaller streams or sheth's though 
There is a certain negative atmosphere which is usual for anything mainstream and as esports is gradually getting there.
If TL never stops TL there's not really a problem since casters can just do as husky and ask for his feedback in a thread on TL and the problem is thus solved.(in my world )
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According to Tastless's "forum nerds", anyone who doesn't actually win a tourney played horribly.
Got 3rd place when you got 1st last time? Must be losing his edge.
Got 7th place when 10 korean were at a tourney? Lol foreigners so bad.
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The complainers will always have the largest voice to an audience listening, but in most cases they are a very small minority. Those that are enjoying the games are much more interested in the games themselves rather then what the opinions of the trolls in stream chats and hence don't even bother participating in the discussion or even open the chat to begin with.
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If you watch pros play and realize that they are pros and your spending your time watching their games because you know they are playing at the highest level then the opinions of the chat are irrelevant.
The most vocal people are generally the ones with rude things to say and for the most part they are ignored. Its hard to ban a whole chats worth of people (even if they deserve it).
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Never show chat, ever.
People in chat are the same people you'll find on youtube comments. They're a herd of retarded sheep led by a pack of trolls.
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I remember watching Rainbows stream, whenever someone would exit the game without a gg the chat would erupt 'no gg no skill' and devolve from there. I just hope that most of these viewers are just having some fun and don't seriously mean what they say, with stuff like "wow this streamer/opponent is garbage/terrible and should go back to other game/bronze" etc
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On August 03 2011 10:11 JediGamer wrote:
TBH the vast majority of those people are regulars of Steven Bonnells stream. I watched steven turn off his stream 2 days ago, then I saw mass kids talking shit on BlackCitadel.
LOL
clearly the vast majority of negative people are destiny watchers. damn destiny and his contagious negativity.
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