EPTthe attitude towards losing players from viewers - Page 4
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figq
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Treva
United States533 Posts
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Joey Wheeler
Korea (North)276 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:01 TERRANLOL wrote: Well. In all fairness, let's take something into consideration: You and he are both on the ladder. Yet, you're not playing with those guys (which is my assumption). And we know that they're on top of the ladder. So as an overall rule his play must be better than yours. Maybe the idea of losing 8 mutas to marines is a blunder and is cost inneffective in itself, but maybe a mistake you make which makes you incapable of making that mistake is paying too much attention to your mutalisks and not enough attention to other things like macro. So in 90% of the situations he's put in he has awesome macro and doesn't lose his mutalisks, but you never lose your mutalisks (which I doubt in itself) and you don't have excellent macro most of the time. My bet is, even making those mistakes, players like EGmachine and Spades would still beat you. BUT regardless I think a better question is why do people get so much enjoyment out of pointing out other people's mistakes? I frequent a website called 9gag.com. It's an imageboard for funny pictures. It used to be a lot better but now most of the "funny pictures" are pictures of people saying stupid things on yahoo answers and someone saying something "smart" in response. Or they're posts of how christians are stupid or how some group of people is stupid... I guess it's just something people enjoy doing, talking about other's mistakes. I think overall though, these people come out to be people who don't accomplish much in general. I think a certain amount of humbleness really helps in making yourself better than you were before. Imagine if someone goes to a restaurant, orders a dish, and is disgusted by it. He comments on how it's terrible, and upon hearing this individual criticizing the steak someone replies with "He can probably still cook better than you". This comment is not appropriate because of a clear reason: The guy who ordered the steak isn't a chef. That situation is exactly the same as comparing me to Machine. Personally, I never played Brood War for a decade, I never was part of a pro gaming team, and I don't play Starcraft several hours a day to compete in tourneys (although I highly doubt Machine does this). What I can do however, is compare Machine's level of skill to someone superior. That's when I notice the major flaws in his play and how his "amazing macro" isn't really that amazing, let alone his control. | ||
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Boony
Australia87 Posts
I have never really understood why some people think it is ok to act a like this on line yet not in person. | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
It's this semi-anonymity that motivates people to be complete douchebags. And it's not something that can be fixed. It's kind of like how 4 guys walking down the street might be talking really positively and having a good time, but if you had 100 guys walking down the street, there would be pushing, shoving, and generally more people acting like idiots than usual. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
That said, it's just super easy to type what you're thinking on a chat. You see a player lose his stuff and it's automatically "oh god this guy sucks" and you write that. That and the fact that SCII has so many people coming into the scene that there's bound to be a lot of bad eggs hidden among the masses of viewers. | ||
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whacks
25 Posts
Fact of the matter is, even though most of us may suck compared to the GM streamers, we're still able to recognize mistakes when they do happen (or at least we think we know). We expect perfection from our sports pros, and starcraft streamers are no different. Is this behavior silly? Maybe. Do I wish people could be more civil? Definitely. But this is the current state of professional sports. Welcome to the big leagues. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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zerglingrodeo
United States910 Posts
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ARcherTuRtle
United States66 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:19 ReturnStroke wrote: Imagine if TL's forums weren't moderated. These comments happen in all forms available. Stream chat is just another troll tool with which to troll. But I'm actually starting to feel like the people from the stream chat are coming here to argue. o_o Like boys dressed in a politician's suit. They're passively immature, but they feel like it's okay because they're in the Chamber of Team Liquid pretending to talk civilized at each other. o_o' | ||
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Xation
Canada147 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Is it just me because acting like a fucktard isn't trolling, there are some geniune people out there who are actually just immature and stupid. If it was just 5-10 trolls at a time we wouldn't be caring at all. | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:17 Joey Wheeler wrote: Imagine if someone goes to a restaurant, orders a dish, and is disgusted by it. He comments on how it's terrible, and upon hearing this individual criticizing the steak someone replies with "He can probably still cook better than you". This comment is not appropriate because of a clear reason: The guy who ordered the steak isn't a chef. That situation is exactly the same as comparing me to Machine. Personally, I never played Brood War for a decade, I never was part of a pro gaming team, and I don't play Starcraft several hours a day to compete in tourneys (although I highly doubt Machine does this). What I can do however, is compare Machine's level of skill to someone superior. That's when I notice the major flaws in his play and how his "amazing macro" isn't really that amazing, let alone his control. This would be a fair argument if you hadn't already compared yourself to machine  I was replying to what you were saying and saying why I believe it's still appropriate to call machine a progamer. In the situation described, it would be as if you had said "I feel like I could have cooked some of these vegetables better than the chef could" I guess my overall point though, was that I don't really care how not amazing Machine is. There are better players out there I'm very well aware of that. I don't even care to watch Machine or Spades. But I think it's a complete waste of time to sit there and talk about why Machine isn't as good as them unless it's for your own self improvement. But most of the time it's not. | ||
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Teim
Australia373 Posts
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Sinborn
United States275 Posts
Having sampled MLG Anaheim established that people can still have opinions without being an ass. I have a theory that, people don't actively think about how ridiculous they're acting on the internet or purposefully engage offensive mode to try and circumvent the linear nature of chat conversation. Not being in punching range of another person also contributes greatly to the legitimacy of the ass build. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
What i find more irritating, "when people say oh you arent as good as x player so you cant commentate on it or disagree with their opinion lets see you try it!" | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:52 Joey Wheeler wrote: What I can do however, is compare Machine's level of skill to someone superior. That's when I notice the major flaws in his play and how his "amazing macro" isn't really that amazing, let alone his control. Sure, comparing players is ok. Saying something like "Nestea decision making is better than Machine decision making" is completely fine. But the thing is that you don't need to use extreme negativity such as "he's a terrible player, he's the worst player ever, he will never win anything .." etc. Sad thing is that the more popular Starcraft gets, the more of that stuff we'll see : /. | ||
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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