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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2011 02:40 GMT
#241
I wonder how Catz feels about all this. Crusading for " home grown e-sports " and all that.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
July 23 2011 02:40 GMT
#242
Damn I just can't handle all these breaking news
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
July 23 2011 02:41 GMT
#243
Seems like something very similar to what MC and NaDa are doing between oGs and SK Gaming.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 23 2011 02:41 GMT
#244
On July 23 2011 10:53 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 10:53 1ManArmy wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:48 jlake02 wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:45 emc wrote:
The arrangement is believed to be a first of its kind and will witness joint promotions and cooperation on a global level.


definitely not the first of it's kind, they need to learn some sc2 history. Fou and FXO merger? and that ogs merger for when ogs MC and nada go abroad. Anyways, I'm excited that DRG got picked up by coL, which means we will see him a lot more.



It's very similar to other deals, for sure. However, the way it's structured is pretty unique. I *believe* it's the first of its kind but I could be wrong. Props and respect to those who have already done similar things.


Isn't this exactly the same as the SK-OGS deal?

MC and Nada stay OGS in Korea, SK pays for their flights accomodation etc to international tournements where they will be wearing a SK outfit.


sk players cant go to korea to train


Does SK even have a western team?
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
July 23 2011 02:42 GMT
#245
This deal type is really good, I like the idea.
There is no fate, but what we make.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
July 23 2011 02:42 GMT
#246
On July 23 2011 11:41 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 10:53 Falcor wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:53 1ManArmy wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:48 jlake02 wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:45 emc wrote:
The arrangement is believed to be a first of its kind and will witness joint promotions and cooperation on a global level.


definitely not the first of it's kind, they need to learn some sc2 history. Fou and FXO merger? and that ogs merger for when ogs MC and nada go abroad. Anyways, I'm excited that DRG got picked up by coL, which means we will see him a lot more.



It's very similar to other deals, for sure. However, the way it's structured is pretty unique. I *believe* it's the first of its kind but I could be wrong. Props and respect to those who have already done similar things.


Isn't this exactly the same as the SK-OGS deal?

MC and Nada stay OGS in Korea, SK pays for their flights accomodation etc to international tournements where they will be wearing a SK outfit.


sk players cant go to korea to train


Does SK even have a western team?


not anymore!
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
July 23 2011 02:45 GMT
#247
congratulations to complexity... little by little gaining strenght from their old glory days in cs 1.6... this is definitely something positive to the lackluster coL sc2 roster!
banelings
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 02:47:05
July 23 2011 02:46 GMT
#248
On July 23 2011 11:42 RyanRushia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:41 Ownos wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:53 Falcor wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:53 1ManArmy wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:48 jlake02 wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:45 emc wrote:
The arrangement is believed to be a first of its kind and will witness joint promotions and cooperation on a global level.


definitely not the first of it's kind, they need to learn some sc2 history. Fou and FXO merger? and that ogs merger for when ogs MC and nada go abroad. Anyways, I'm excited that DRG got picked up by coL, which means we will see him a lot more.



It's very similar to other deals, for sure. However, the way it's structured is pretty unique. I *believe* it's the first of its kind but I could be wrong. Props and respect to those who have already done similar things.


Isn't this exactly the same as the SK-OGS deal?

MC and Nada stay OGS in Korea, SK pays for their flights accomodation etc to international tournements where they will be wearing a SK outfit.


sk players cant go to korea to train


Does SK even have a western team?


not anymore!


SK's deal is nothing like this one. theyre basically renting players who come for foreign competitions, whereas this col-MVP one sounds more like a collaboration between two ACTUAL teams (*hint SK)
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
July 23 2011 02:46 GMT
#249
omg SC2 is going shitz!

and by shitz i mean, globalization and ESPORTS IS GROWING
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OddisH
Profile Joined June 2011
20 Posts
July 23 2011 02:46 GMT
#250
wow this is really sick. From what I understand is preety similar to the oGs-TL partnership. I must say Genius has been my favorite player since GSL season 2/Blizzcon. GL to all :D
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2011 02:47 GMT
#251
On July 23 2011 11:41 Existential wrote:
Seems like something very similar to what MC and NaDa are doing between oGs and SK Gaming.


Not really. SK does not even have a SC2 team of it's own. And thus no players to send to korea to stay with oGs. It's completely different.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 23 2011 02:48 GMT
#252
This is a great way to support global esports and improve the coL roster. Congratulations!!!
Auross
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil104 Posts
July 23 2011 02:48 GMT
#253
FOREIGNER+KOREAN FWIGHTING!

great to see these partnerships taking place
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10807 Posts
July 23 2011 02:48 GMT
#254
Really awesome for ESPORTS and for complexity ! Hopefully we see some ex root guys go to korea to train in the MvP house XD
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
July 23 2011 02:49 GMT
#255
MVPFireZerg in Code A IMO.
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Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
July 23 2011 02:49 GMT
#256
Does this mean that we could potentially see CatZ, Drewbie and CrunCher in the next GSTL playing for the MVP team?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 23 2011 02:50 GMT
#257
This is like the 5th major announcement this weekend, so many surprises :D
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 23 2011 02:50 GMT
#258
good news, cant wait to see DRG on more International event, and hopefully some of the Root guys on GSL/GSTL

Kiwikaki all kill IM ? it CAN happen :D

a bit sad for AG though, now the only Korean player he can 'talk' to at MLG is only IMMvp since Choya is FXO, DongRaeGu is now Col.MVP and I dont think even he have the balls to 'talk' to the SlayerS guys with BoxerR and Jessica there

well there's always next MLG/NASL for him to 'scout talents'
Put quote here for readability
aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
July 23 2011 02:52 GMT
#259
Wow, so many foreign-korean partnerships lately. It seems like the scenes are getting closer and closer together, which is just fantastic.

On July 23 2011 11:49 Clbull wrote:
Does this mean that we could potentially see CatZ, Drewbie and CrunCher in the next GSTL playing for the MVP team?


One can only hope...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 23 2011 02:53 GMT
#260
On July 23 2011 11:39 Aurdon wrote:
Why are sponsor dollars being spent this way? Why is it not being spent on the infrastructure to grow teams in the west? Why are prohouses and proteams not being trained in the Korean style?

Koreans are not born to this high level of skill. They are trained this way. Everyone acknowledges that they not only put in more hours, but they focus and regiment their training in such a way to get the most out of each hour.

These kinds of super players can be created in Europe and the United States. There are more tournaments, more players, more dollars. The only problem is that we have not taken the time to create the systems to train up the ones with innate talent and desire to be great.

Look at how much Huk has grown since he moved to Korea. He was put in that system and has flourished. Imagine if the top five teams in the west steadily cultivated that style of training. In the next few years, we would start to see the west catch up.

However, greedy teams want results now so they just borrow players instead of taking the long investment of growing eSports talent in the west.


Actually, this seems to be mutually beneficial for both MVP and all of coL.

compLexity players who wish to train in Korea will be hosted at the MVP House for training purposes.


The coL-MVP partnership seems to allow a very similar situation to the TL-oGs partnership by allowing coL players to live with and train with Korean MVP players, similar to how Huk and other TL players trained with the oGs dudes.

Having non-Korean coL players be allowed to live with and train with their MVP colleagues seems to be a good, less-expensive alternative to spending money on team houses and training infrastructure outside of Korea.

Implanting players into the Korean system seems to be a very efficient way of creating non-Korean "super players." We saw this in the improvement that all the Liquid players got from their stays in Korea, especially that of Huk. I expect FXO players to start doing much better in tournaments now that they've experienced Korean-esque training and laddering.

Until more money comes into the scene, it may be much more efficient to create mutually beneficial partnerships with Korean teams so that Western players can utilize their training infrastructure instead of creating a Western infrastructure from scratch.
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