• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:57
CEST 03:57
KST 10:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task25[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview19herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)17Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure6
Community News
[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage1EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)9Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results212025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)14
StarCraft 2
General
Interview with oPZesty on Cheeseadelphia/Coaching herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview Power Rank: October 2018 Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results
Tourneys
DreamHack Dallas 2025 EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed
Brood War
General
[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task [ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] RO20 Group Stage [BSL20] RO20 Group A - Sunday 20:00 CET [ASL19] Semifinal B
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 17305 users

compLexity & MVP Partner - DRG & Genius - coL.MVP - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
633 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 32 Next All
EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
July 23 2011 02:29 GMT
#221
one day CatZ will realize DRG is sleeping in his bed
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 23 2011 02:29 GMT
#222
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.



The rest of the world's infrastructure can't compare to Korea's. The BW success in Korea has given them a 13 year head start on the rest of the world. For coL to get better, they need to send some of their promising players to Korea to practice in the Korean infrastructure.

They're not going to get better practicing outside of Korea. Even if they made a gaming house, the infrastructure and practice partners aren't there. Having a coach, players like DRG, Keen, Genius around you and having a Korean schedule will make some of coL's players rise above a lot of the foreign competition.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 23 2011 02:29 GMT
#223
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.


Unfortunately its much to difficult to bring entire teams together in one place unless you have LOTS OF CASH.

Also, the western scene is very stagnant I'm sorry to say, its always the same players in all the tournaments, add to the fact that nearly every western tournament is invite based giving no chance for up and comers to prove themselves.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 23 2011 02:30 GMT
#224
On July 23 2011 11:29 Sandro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.


Unfortunately its much to difficult to bring entire teams together in one place unless you have LOTS OF CASH.

Also, the western scene is very stagnant I'm sorry to say, its always the same players in all the tournaments, add to the fact that nearly every western tournament is invite based giving no chance for up and comers to prove themselves.


Yeah, and when tournaments/leagues have "no namers", the community gets pissed off and complain that so and so known player deserves it more.
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
July 23 2011 02:31 GMT
#225
I find this weird, unless complexity is taking a cut of koreans who get prize money i see this being nothing but them flying out koreans to win (free?) money.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 23 2011 02:31 GMT
#226
On July 23 2011 11:31 Headnoob wrote:
I find this weird, unless complexity is taking a cut of koreans who get prize money i see this being nothing but them flying out koreans to win (free?) money.


They get to send their players to the MVP house to live and practice. That benefits them greatly.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 23 2011 02:32 GMT
#227
On July 23 2011 11:30 zoLo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:29 Sandro wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.


Unfortunately its much to difficult to bring entire teams together in one place unless you have LOTS OF CASH.

Also, the western scene is very stagnant I'm sorry to say, its always the same players in all the tournaments, add to the fact that nearly every western tournament is invite based giving no chance for up and comers to prove themselves.


Yeah, and when tournaments/leagues have "no namers", the community gets pissed off and complain that so and so known player deserves it more.

Better yet, eschew invitationals/invite only tournaments altogether and set up qualifiers, IGN has it right, even down to the prize pools.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 23 2011 02:32 GMT
#228
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.



No offense, but there is no correlation between foreigners training and growing and diverting resources. Rarely do you see a player not attend a big event because there are enough funds. Invited players almost always accept, and when they don't it's because they are planning to attend another event.

Korean lifestyle and training regime will be attainable by foreigners through exposure. You have to see how hard Koreans train to fully understand and work at a similar level. You're thinking that over time foreigners will make their own "Korean" regimes with no help. It's been 2 years and there are only a few so-called foreign training houses and none of them come even close to the intensity of a single Korean training house.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
SixPackAbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United States160 Posts
July 23 2011 02:34 GMT
#229
DRG!!!
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 23 2011 02:35 GMT
#230
On July 23 2011 11:26 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:23 Blasphemi wrote:
On July 23 2011 11:18 Sina92 wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't care too much about these joint ventures? I prefer to keep track of the players individually and follow them.

And this allows great players like DRG to play foreign events


No it allows for Koreans to remain dominant by spending money on flying them all around world instead of the foreign teams to man up and create their own teams with their own players and their own teamhouses and training regimens.

There might be a lot of great players in the foreign scene that haven't had the opportunity to train and grow because all the resources are being spent on Koreans.


Those great players in the foreign scene don't need to join a well known team you know.
Look at korea, constantly new teams from new players who suddenly suprisse everyone.
With the whole competition vs BW in korea you would think foreigners actually have more rescources to start their own team and practice.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 23 2011 02:35 GMT
#231
On July 23 2011 11:31 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 11:31 Headnoob wrote:
I find this weird, unless complexity is taking a cut of koreans who get prize money i see this being nothing but them flying out koreans to win (free?) money.


They get to send their players to the MVP house to live and practice. That benefits them greatly.



yup. also if drg wins (which he will), he brings the team exposure and a bigger fan base which equal lots of moolah. for teams like this, it is all about the exposure.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
July 23 2011 02:35 GMT
#232
wow great news. seems Lo3 and SotG will have a buttload to catch up onto
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
July 23 2011 02:35 GMT
#233
Damn son shit got real
Follow me on Instagram @Chef_Betto
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
July 23 2011 02:36 GMT
#234
sick sick sick sick news!

Really looking forward to the leaps and bounds to the foreigner skill level!
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
xTheGodfather
Profile Joined May 2011
United States4 Posts
July 23 2011 02:37 GMT
#235
Bring on the powerhouse!
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
July 23 2011 02:37 GMT
#236
On July 23 2011 11:31 Headnoob wrote:
I find this weird, unless complexity is taking a cut of koreans who get prize money i see this being nothing but them flying out koreans to win (free?) money.


complexity has never, and will never, take cut of prize money from their players
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
July 23 2011 02:37 GMT
#237
Wow, it's like a gold rush right now.
No relation to Monsieur J.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 23 2011 02:38 GMT
#238
Man I'm getting so confused with all the mergers and agreements and team swaps etc.

Can't miss even more day worth of news in the SC2 world.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 02:39:25
July 23 2011 02:39 GMT
#239
Why are sponsor dollars being spent this way? Why is it not being spent on the infrastructure to grow teams in the west? Why are prohouses and proteams not being trained in the Korean style?

Koreans are not born to this high level of skill. They are trained this way. Everyone acknowledges that they not only put in more hours, but they focus and regiment their training in such a way to get the most out of each hour.

These kinds of super players can be created in Europe and the United States. There are more tournaments, more players, more dollars. The only problem is that we have not taken the time to create the systems to train up the ones with innate talent and desire to be great.

Look at how much Huk has grown since he moved to Korea. He was put in that system and has flourished. Imagine if the top five teams in the west steadily cultivated that style of training. In the next few years, we would start to see the west catch up.

However, greedy teams want results now so they just borrow players instead of taking the long investment of growing eSports talent in the west.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 23 2011 02:39 GMT
#240
Nice to see more bridges being built between the Korean and the International scene. I'm still not sure whether this kind of deal is really worth the effort or not but if it means seeing more of these players in non-korean tournaments, I guess I can't complain.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .269
RuFF_SC2 178
ProTech73
EnDerr 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 5675
Calm 4672
Mini 582
firebathero 273
ggaemo 130
NaDa 42
Icarus 7
League of Legends
JimRising 478
Counter-Strike
Fnx 2377
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1183
AZ_Axe246
Mew2King152
Other Games
tarik_tv15539
gofns11657
summit1g10572
shahzam858
ViBE214
KnowMe22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1137
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 203
• davetesta56
• gosughost_ 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki20
• sM.Zik 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4788
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
3h 4m
BeSt vs Soulkey
AllThingsProtoss
9h 4m
Road to EWC
12h 4m
BSL: ProLeague
16h 4m
Cross vs TT1
spx vs Hawk
JDConan vs TBD
Wardi Open
1d 9h
SOOP
2 days
NightMare vs Wayne
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
GSL Code S
4 days
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
Online Event
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.