compLexity & MVP Partner - DRG & Genius - coL.MVP - Page 32

On July 25 2011 07:52 Hemera wrote:
This is bad news for the foreign community, in my opinion at least. Already the koreans who've been to foreign tourneys have absolutely demolished all competition with a few rare exceptions (notably HuK's perfomance in Dreamhack). By bringing more and more top koreans to the foreign scene, which is already fragile and still in its infancy, I expect the number of foreign players in foreign tourneys will drop simply because they cannot keep up with their korean peers. People will get discouraged from playing because they will get demolished or they will get choked out because there are only so many open spots available, and with more and better koreans arriving to grab hold of these spots, there ultimately will only be space for the ultimate elite of foreigners.

I hate to discriminate, but lets keep the total number of koreans in MLG for instance at 4-6, as MLG Colubmus play-wise was a farce.

One last thing. Why would a team like MVP sign a partnership with a team like Complexity, if not for money and publicity. To me it just seems like Complexity is being used as a tool to send DRG, Genius etc to foreign tourneys to earn money and honour for team MVP. Sure, their handles will be coL.DRG and coL.Genius, but who are they honestly fooling.

Best of luck to Complexity's players if they can (AND WILL) go to Korea to practice. It's not a guarantee for success or progress. Look at Jinro.

On July 25 2011 08:00 Hemera wrote:


Because it's going to choke the foreign scene when only 2 foreign players make it further than round 1 of the open brackets and the rest is korean players who have a "partnership" deal with a foreign team..

On July 24 2011 11:53 Chicane wrote:


I thought that his issue was that they have no involvement in the foreign scene whatsoever, and any money they won would go straight back into Korea. In this case, if a player from the coL.MVP team wins, then some of the recognition of that player goes towards the team itself, and to helping foreigners from their team who may want to go to Korea.

Then again, you are clearly just trying to bash CatZ by the way you worded your question, so I don't think anything I say will matter.

On July 25 2011 08:19 lunchforthesky wrote:


Just seems like racism to me. Affirmative action is for losers. There's no foreign scene in Sc2 anyway. There's a European, a Korean, a Chinese and an American scene. The EU/NA guys are no more united than EU/Kor or NA/Kor.

On July 25 2011 08:49 BigLighthouse wrote:



Its not so much racism, as a desire for something similar to what you find in football with different leagues dependant on where you are from. Whether thats a good or bad thing isnt for this thread, but the guys right, this likely will not help foreign players break out

On July 25 2011 08:11 Assirra wrote:

So because they are good they aren't allowed to join?
Have fun saying "yea sorry but you are korean and we already got 5 of those in the tournament so you are not allowed"
If foreigners want to get the same reward as the koreans they need to put in the same dedication, i don't see how that is wrong.

On July 25 2011 08:32 MildSeven wrote:


What i am trying to criticize isn't just CatZ, CatZ happens to be the player who is vocal about the Koreans as an issue. What i am criticizing is the mentality that the foreign competitive scene should reserve places based on nationality and not purely on skills, which is what it should be based on completely. CatZ sees it as an issue because it's an undeniable fact that Koreans are superior in starcraft 2, the TSL3 didn't prove anything, wasn't some watershed moment people expected because we can see the results from following tournaments, the Korean domination of almost every international lan/online tourneys they enter. I am not Korean, my principles are straight up, whoever has the best skill should be playing wherever they qualify to. Obviously the foreign teams feels it's marketable to get Korean players to help them get better results since it garners more money from the sponsors. How would Catz feel about this personally? I think he feels it cripples his chances for personal gains, it greatly reduces his chances at rising to the top where the competition in the foreign scene is already high without the Koreans, but if we think for the fans, if we think for the evolution of the skill level of foreign players, then allowing Koreans to join everywhere they should only heighten the skills of foreign players with the mentality and drive to challenge the Koreans through tougher practices, greater will.

CatZ's bitching is an implication of his solution: We are gona look good as long as Koreans don't drive. The legit solution should be : let them join, let them win for now, we just need to practice harder, have the will and mentality like the likes of QXC and HuK to not limper in the face of great opposition as CatZ wants cause he's a frail subpar pro-level player. So am i bashing on CatZ? Yes, i am, so what. Am i legitimized to do so, absolutely i think i am.

On July 25 2011 08:32 MildSeven wrote:


What i am trying to criticize isn't just CatZ, CatZ happens to be the player who is vocal about the Koreans as an issue. What i am criticizing is the mentality that the foreign competitive scene should reserve places based on nationality and not purely on skills, which is what it should be based on completely. CatZ sees it as an issue because it's an undeniable fact that Koreans are superior in starcraft 2, the TSL3 didn't prove anything, wasn't some watershed moment people expected because we can see the results from following tournaments, the Korean domination of almost every international lan/online tourneys they enter. I am not Korean, my principles are straight up, whoever has the best skill should be playing wherever they qualify to. Obviously the foreign teams feels it's marketable to get Korean players to help them get better results since it garners more money from the sponsors. How would Catz feel about this personally? I think he feels it cripples his chances for personal gains, it greatly reduces his chances at rising to the top where the competition in the foreign scene is already high without the Koreans, but if we think for the fans, if we think for the evolution of the skill level of foreign players, then allowing Koreans to join everywhere they should only heighten the skills of foreign players with the mentality and drive to challenge the Koreans through tougher practices, greater will.

CatZ's bitching is an implication of his solution: We are gona look good as long as Koreans don't drive. The legit solution should be : let them join, let them win for now, we just need to practice harder, have the will and mentality like the likes of QXC and HuK to not limper in the face of great opposition as CatZ wants cause he's a frail subpar pro-level player. So am i bashing on CatZ? Yes, i am, so what. Am i legitimized to do so, absolutely i think i am.