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On July 24 2011 01:42 ProxyKite wrote:
To be honest, Coach Lee deserves a lot more respect due to his trust in the players. You don't really see that kind of trust anymore since nearly every player is contracted the moment they joined the team. But it's true that TSL hasn't been showing great results in tournaments as of late. I kind of feel sorry for the coach and how much work he has ahead of him...
In all situations in life if there isn't a contract in place then it is your own fault. If you develop a product without a patent it doesn't matter how much work you do if someone patent's it first. The same thing with Puma especially after he saw foreign gold. Come to USA, great fans, great money, hella relaxed tournament setting usually (nasl, online/weekend final; MLG weekend; IPL online/weekend final; and same setting for most EU tournaments) also he probably now has a good salary plus you know EG is the team that will send him to every event.
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1. Player has no contract
2. Player is offered a contract (but nothing is signed yet)
3. Player tells his coach
4. Shit fest when no contract has been signed
5. WTF ?
Stop drama please thx.
Grats to Puma and EG !
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On July 22 2011 12:42 Fionn wrote:
Clide and Killer get tons of props for sticking with Lee and their team even when teams tried to poach them.
Also glad their top players are gonna get some good contracts. Also now knowing Rain's dad lives in New York makes the whole Rain leaving thing put into a different light.
Shit. They get even more props for giving the money that they earned back to the team to help out. That's a pretty big level of commitment, as well as an incredible awesome thing to do for a team that has helped them out so much.
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On July 22 2011 12:49 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:48 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:45 Emporio wrote:On July 22 2011 12:42 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:37 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 12:34 Emporio wrote:Holy crap dude, where's EG's statement in this? Biased as shit. + Show Spoiler +jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily. No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting. I don't care for EG's statement. They're a bunch of cheaters over there anyways. They poached Complexity from Jason Lake, and now they've done the same, low class organization. I was becoming a Puma fan, but I won't cheer for them while he is on that team What is the Complexity thing? It was during the counter-strike 1.6. Complexity's entire Counter-Strike roster was basically poached by EG without any knowledge of Jason Lake heres the link http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/43572/
OMG... EG added to my poop list forever!
GO TSL! I hope they get good results and bounce back into glory \o/
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On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting.
I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many.
But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him.
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EG also poached Justin Wong (who is/was the best Street Fighter player) from Empire Arcadia. I'm pretty sure this is nothing new to EG. While EG is looking all bad in this discussion, you have to realize that they are only able to steal players because they actually provide a good salary. JWong went from barely making a living (which is upsetting when you're THE best SF player) to making enough so he would not have to worry about his financial needs. I'm sure Puma was in the same situation.
Besides, even if he was on contract with TSL, he'd move to EG as soon as it was over.
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EG's manager is a freaking scumbag. Honestly, dealing behind the back of the team manager and poaching players... around the world, it's courtesy to talk to the manager first about signing their player, not stealing their player from under their nose.
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On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him.
Holy uninformed post, clearly you have no idea how the CS 1.6 situation went down and are looking to simply appropriate the event as part of a flimsy argument that suggests that mainstream business isn't cutthroat? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Global corporations don't give a shit about ethics or morality when it comes to capitalizing on profit opportunities and new acquisitions. US corporations moving production facilities overseas, avoiding billions of dollars in federal taxes, hell even the Korean company Samsung is famous for pretty much out and out stealing Apple's designs. Do you even know what a hostile takeover is? They happen all the time and entire multi million companies are pieced out and sold at the cost of thousands of jobs, usually in the name of market reduction or simple corporate advancement. Wake up man, businesses are not meant to be friends, they are meant to conduct business.
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Good luck to you Coach and your team, in the future!
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On July 24 2011 03:17 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. Holy uninformed post, clearly you have no idea how the CS 1.6 situation went down and are looking to simply appropriate the event as part of a flimsy argument that suggests that mainstream business isn't cutthroat? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Global corporations don't give a shit about ethics or morality when it comes to capitalizing on profit opportunities and new acquisitions. US corporations moving production facilities overseas, avoiding billions of dollars in federal taxes, hell even the Korean company Samsung is famous for pretty much out and out stealing Apple's designs. Do you even know what a hostile takeover is? They happen all the time and entire multi million companies are pieced out and sold at the cost of thousands of jobs, usually in the name of market reduction or simple corporate advancement. Wake up man, businesses are not meant to be friends, they are meant to conduct business.
Maybe in your twisted lassaiz-faire Americanism they are, but I see no reason to simply accept that as moral or ethically sound. People are pissed because everybody knows that businesses act immorally. Most countries (read: not America) have government regulation of the private sector to a fairly significant degree.
Mainstream business is cutthroat to a point, but that doesn't change the fact that unethical decisions shouldn't be looked down upon just because they're the standard. I'll also point out that I was talking about the public sphere, not closed-door dealings.
As for your drivel about the CS situation, I'm not even going to honour your defense of EG's management, because it's a well-known fact that they steal players in virtually every game. No idea what that has to do with business being not cutthroat (if anything it suggests the opposite).
This whole nonsense of "businesses are not meant to be friends" stinks of Ayn Rand, and is nothing more than the legitimization of anti-social disorder masquerading under the apathy which permeates American private sector politics. Yeah, corporations do evil and corrupt shit all the time. Guess what? That's bad. Saying 'oh, it's the way business work' does not indemnify you from anyone with a moral compass. So sit the fuck down.
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On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him.
That analogy doesn't really work though. If a company hired an intern (which is roughly what PuMa was at TSL) away from another company, it wouldn't really be treated as a big deal. It certainly wouldn't be newsworthy. Maybe your comparison would be more accurate if EG was actually going out and making public statements against/insulting TSL, but I haven't seen that happen.
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On July 24 2011 03:21 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:17 farvacola wrote:On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. Holy uninformed post, clearly you have no idea how the CS 1.6 situation went down and are looking to simply appropriate the event as part of a flimsy argument that suggests that mainstream business isn't cutthroat? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Global corporations don't give a shit about ethics or morality when it comes to capitalizing on profit opportunities and new acquisitions. US corporations moving production facilities overseas, avoiding billions of dollars in federal taxes, hell even the Korean company Samsung is famous for pretty much out and out stealing Apple's designs. Do you even know what a hostile takeover is? They happen all the time and entire multi million companies are pieced out and sold at the cost of thousands of jobs, usually in the name of market reduction or simple corporate advancement. Wake up man, businesses are not meant to be friends, they are meant to conduct business. Maybe in your twisted lassaiz-faire Americanism they are, but I see no reason to simply accept that as moral or ethically sound. People are pissed because everybody knows that businesses act immorally. Most countries (read: not America) have government regulation of the private sector to a fairly significant degree. Mainstream business is cutthroat to a point, but that doesn't change the fact that unethical decisions shouldn't be looked down upon just because they're the standard. I'll also point out that I was talking about the public sphere, not closed-door dealings. As for your drivel about the CS situation, I'm not even going to honour your defense of EG's management, because it's a well-known fact that they steal players in virtually every game. No idea what that has to do with business being not cutthroat (if anything it suggests the opposite). This whole nonsense of "businesses are not meant to be friends" stinks of Ayn Rand, and is nothing more than the legitimization of anti-social disorder masquerading under the apathy which permeates American private sector politics. Yeah, corporations do evil and corrupt shit all the time. Guess what? That's bad. Saying 'oh, it's the way business work' does not indemnify you from anyone with a moral compass. So sit the fuck down.
"I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere."-hey man you said it, glad you've doubled back.
My point was not that business ethics or a lack thereof is some excuse for the manner in which EG conducted their business, I simply think that using silly analogies to Wall Street and imaginary "standards" does no one any good when it comes to fleshing out the business scene of Sc2 globally. Consider the mere fact that TSL did not have Puma under contract, clearly this indicates that we are dealing with an incredibly isolated and unique case, considering that the vast majority of businesses with any sense slap contracts down on assets ASAP.
As to your discussion of a moral compass, don't you think that recognition of the individual requires at least some consideration? Based on your posts, you consider the team structure in Korea to be some sort of moral authority, one which supersedes the rights of an individual. Whether or not this is actually the case (the creation KESPA in Sc1 seems to suggest no) remains to be seen, and the insistence that contacting PUMA about PUMA's situation is somehow wrong makes no sense within the framework of individual liberty being supreme.
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On July 24 2011 03:29 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. That analogy doesn't really work though. If a company hired an intern (which is roughly what PuMa was at TSL) away from another company, it wouldn't really be treated as a big deal. It certainly wouldn't be newsworthy. Maybe your comparison would be more accurate if EG was actually going out and making public statements against/insulting TSL, but I haven't seen that happen.
Allow me to quote SirScoots' response to the reaction of disgust from various users: "umadbro?"
Can you imagine what would happen if, say, Steve Jobs had said "umadbro?' when people were having technical difficulties with their iPhones? He would have gotten fucking crucified. It's EG's arrogance that pisses people off. Everything about this debacle reeks of arrogance. Calling PuMa an intern is a fundamental misunderstanding of his role. He was treated as a team player. It just so happens that contracts aren't the norm over there at the moment. That makes him a player by Korean standards. You can't lift the organizational structure of American eSports organizations with regard to sc2 and apply it to the vastly different Korean scene. It's dishonest.
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On July 24 2011 03:01 DustinQQ wrote:
EG's manager is a freaking scumbag. Honestly, dealing behind the back of the team manager and poaching players... around the world, it's courtesy to talk to the manager first about signing their player, not stealing their player from under their nose.
Imagine if this was boxing, and someone approached Don King's boxer (who by the way was not getting paid very much), and offered him more money or a better deal, and the boxer accepted it. The least scumbag of all 3 in that scenario would be the new manager (EG manager equivalent).
I don't see what the big deal is. If you have a valuable player on your team, well have him sign a contract and reward him for his talent. If you can't, other teams will.
Instead TSL's manager started all this drama, which by the way if he cared about Puma he would have kept his mouth shut. But since he didn't have a contract it's the only thing he can do to sabotage Puma's signing with EG.
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On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him.
Wall Street? You say Wall Street cares about what people think of them? Do you not remember quite a few companies putting out fake financial reports to make it seem like the company was doing well meanwhile they're not only doing poorly, but they're broke? I'm sure everyone was fine with losing all of their invested money though.
EG earned EVERY puma fan. I doubt anyone was like man they went out and got a good player who was loosely associated with a team let's not root for them anymore. You also know little about the CS situation, and SirScoots.
Your post is not only inaccurate, but hostile and immature.
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On July 24 2011 03:32 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:21 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 03:17 farvacola wrote:On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. Holy uninformed post, clearly you have no idea how the CS 1.6 situation went down and are looking to simply appropriate the event as part of a flimsy argument that suggests that mainstream business isn't cutthroat? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Global corporations don't give a shit about ethics or morality when it comes to capitalizing on profit opportunities and new acquisitions. US corporations moving production facilities overseas, avoiding billions of dollars in federal taxes, hell even the Korean company Samsung is famous for pretty much out and out stealing Apple's designs. Do you even know what a hostile takeover is? They happen all the time and entire multi million companies are pieced out and sold at the cost of thousands of jobs, usually in the name of market reduction or simple corporate advancement. Wake up man, businesses are not meant to be friends, they are meant to conduct business. Maybe in your twisted lassaiz-faire Americanism they are, but I see no reason to simply accept that as moral or ethically sound. People are pissed because everybody knows that businesses act immorally. Most countries (read: not America) have government regulation of the private sector to a fairly significant degree. Mainstream business is cutthroat to a point, but that doesn't change the fact that unethical decisions shouldn't be looked down upon just because they're the standard. I'll also point out that I was talking about the public sphere, not closed-door dealings. As for your drivel about the CS situation, I'm not even going to honour your defense of EG's management, because it's a well-known fact that they steal players in virtually every game. No idea what that has to do with business being not cutthroat (if anything it suggests the opposite). This whole nonsense of "businesses are not meant to be friends" stinks of Ayn Rand, and is nothing more than the legitimization of anti-social disorder masquerading under the apathy which permeates American private sector politics. Yeah, corporations do evil and corrupt shit all the time. Guess what? That's bad. Saying 'oh, it's the way business work' does not indemnify you from anyone with a moral compass. So sit the fuck down. "I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere."-hey man you said it, glad you've doubled back. My point was not that business ethics or a lack thereof is some excuse for the manner in which EG conducted their business, I simply think that using silly analogies to Wall Street and imaginary "standards" does no one any good when it comes to fleshing out the business scene of Sc2 globally. Consider the mere fact that TSL did not have Puma under contract, clearly this indicates that we are dealing with an incredibly isolated and unique case, considering that the vast majority of businesses with any sense slap contracts down on assets ASAP. As to your discussion of a moral compass, don't you think that recognition of the individual requires at least some consideration? Based on your posts, you consider the team structure in Korea to be some sort of moral authority, one which supersedes the rights of an individual. Whether or not this is actually the case (the creation KESPA in Sc1 seems to suggest no) remains to be seen, and the insistence that contacting PUMA about PUMA's situation is somehow wrong makes no sense within the framework of individual liberty being supreme.
I'm not saying that Puma shouldn't have been allowed to be acquired by EG, or that TSL should have resisted. I would have been equally angry had Lee been approached by EG, with Puma accepting their offer, and refused. I'm angry now because for all of the damage control and loopholes being paraded about, everyone knows that Puma was for all intents and purposes a member of TSL. When he was in NASL, everyone knew him as TSL Puma. If you asked what team he was on, the answer would be "TSL." Again, I'm not saying EG did anything illegal, but they certainly spat in the face of Coach Lee, who at the very least deserved to be approached as professional, because that's just the way businesses on equal footing (I mean in terms of scope, not finances) do things.
I don't think that the team structure needs to supersede the rights of an individual. You're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying that EG handled the situation unprofessionally, because they completely ignored the fact that Puma belonged to, or at least was associated with, a team.
I've said it many times and I'll say it again: pretending that puma was a free agent in the same sense that someone who is teamless is a free agent is disingenuous and not indicative of the way in which most people (including most Koreans, by the look of things) look at teams. EG, assuming they are comprised of human beings, should understand this and act accordingly, and through above-the-table channels. At the very least, EG could have said "we'll be talking to Coach Lee about our intentions for recruiting you before anything happens." But no, that would have required too much, wouldn't it? Stop kidding yourselves.
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On July 24 2011 03:37 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. Wall Street? You say Wall Street cares about what people think of them? Do you not remember quite a few companies putting out fake financial reports to make it seem like the company was doing well meanwhile they're not only doing poorly, but they're broke? I'm sure everyone was fine with losing all of their invested money though. EG earned EVERY puma fan. I doubt anyone was like man they went out and got a good player who was loosely associated with a team let's not root for them anymore. You also know little about the CS situation, and SirScoots. Your post is not only inaccurate, but hostile and immature.
I guarantee I know more about Scoots's history than you ever will. EG has a reputation for underhanded tactics and rude management. Do you seriously think this is the first publicity stunt they've bungled?
Your comments about Wall St actually prove my point (falsifying records to ensure a public image, etc).
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On July 24 2011 03:34 Shiori wrote:Calling PuMa an intern is a fundamental misunderstanding of his role. He was treated as a team player. It just so happens that contracts aren't the norm over there at the moment. That makes him a player by Korean standards. You can't lift the organizational structure of American eSports organizations with regard to sc2 and apply it to the vastly different Korean scene. It's dishonest.
A team player at a lower tier of pay/benefits. You can change "intern" to "employee" in my earlier statement if you like and it would be just as true. Heck even in my industry it's normal for companies to hire employees away from each other.
I could turn around your statement and say that American teams shouldn't be expected to conform with the Korean way of conducting business. What makes that view any less valid than your own?
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On July 24 2011 03:53 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:34 Shiori wrote:Calling PuMa an intern is a fundamental misunderstanding of his role. He was treated as a team player. It just so happens that contracts aren't the norm over there at the moment. That makes him a player by Korean standards. You can't lift the organizational structure of American eSports organizations with regard to sc2 and apply it to the vastly different Korean scene. It's dishonest. A team player at a lower tier of pay/benefits. You can change "intern" to "employee" in my earlier statement if you like and it would be just as true. Heck even in my industry it's normal for companies to hire employees away from each other. I could turn around your statement and say that American teams shouldn't be expected to conform with the Korean way of conducting business. What makes that view any less valid than your own?
Certainly not, but since Puma is both Korean and belonged to a Korean team, it stands to reason that he, and his team, operate according to Korean standards of respect. I also question the idea that people in the West are accepting of these sorts of actions. Generally speaking, when a business does something "enterprising" like laying off workers and outsourcing to China, while we all acknowledge that this is commonplace in our business world, we pretty much universally condemn it as greedy and immoral.
I'd also like to point out that it's foolish to ignore the personal connection between starcraft players and their coaches. It's not exactly like being a student at a department store and being "hired away" by someone else. Every player playing for a team represents a (often personal) investment of a directed nature. They don't really take resumes.
I tire of this argument as I don't dispute the legality of EG's actions, just their lack of etiquette.
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Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident.
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