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On July 24 2011 03:40 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:32 farvacola wrote:On July 24 2011 03:21 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 03:17 farvacola wrote:On July 24 2011 02:57 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2011 00:25 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:59 Shiori wrote:
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously. Since PuMa wasn't under contract, they had no professional obligation to TSL. I certainly see why it could be considered rude (and that rudeness is considered a much larger issue in most Aisan cultures than most Western ones), but politeness is rarely a virtue in a business setting. I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere. They don't want to risk poisoning their brand with stupid shit like this. How many fans do you think EG earned with this? Not very fucking many. But this is Alex Garfield, the guy who ninja'd a whole CS 1.6 team. I don't know why anyone is surprised at that snake's ways, especially when he has the affable but immature SirScoots working for him. Holy uninformed post, clearly you have no idea how the CS 1.6 situation went down and are looking to simply appropriate the event as part of a flimsy argument that suggests that mainstream business isn't cutthroat? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Global corporations don't give a shit about ethics or morality when it comes to capitalizing on profit opportunities and new acquisitions. US corporations moving production facilities overseas, avoiding billions of dollars in federal taxes, hell even the Korean company Samsung is famous for pretty much out and out stealing Apple's designs. Do you even know what a hostile takeover is? They happen all the time and entire multi million companies are pieced out and sold at the cost of thousands of jobs, usually in the name of market reduction or simple corporate advancement. Wake up man, businesses are not meant to be friends, they are meant to conduct business. Maybe in your twisted lassaiz-faire Americanism they are, but I see no reason to simply accept that as moral or ethically sound. People are pissed because everybody knows that businesses act immorally. Most countries (read: not America) have government regulation of the private sector to a fairly significant degree. Mainstream business is cutthroat to a point, but that doesn't change the fact that unethical decisions shouldn't be looked down upon just because they're the standard. I'll also point out that I was talking about the public sphere, not closed-door dealings. As for your drivel about the CS situation, I'm not even going to honour your defense of EG's management, because it's a well-known fact that they steal players in virtually every game. No idea what that has to do with business being not cutthroat (if anything it suggests the opposite). This whole nonsense of "businesses are not meant to be friends" stinks of Ayn Rand, and is nothing more than the legitimization of anti-social disorder masquerading under the apathy which permeates American private sector politics. Yeah, corporations do evil and corrupt shit all the time. Guess what? That's bad. Saying 'oh, it's the way business work' does not indemnify you from anyone with a moral compass. So sit the fuck down. "I take it that you've never been involved in business. Even on Wall Street, companies are ALWAYS respectful of each other in the public sphere."-hey man you said it, glad you've doubled back. My point was not that business ethics or a lack thereof is some excuse for the manner in which EG conducted their business, I simply think that using silly analogies to Wall Street and imaginary "standards" does no one any good when it comes to fleshing out the business scene of Sc2 globally. Consider the mere fact that TSL did not have Puma under contract, clearly this indicates that we are dealing with an incredibly isolated and unique case, considering that the vast majority of businesses with any sense slap contracts down on assets ASAP. As to your discussion of a moral compass, don't you think that recognition of the individual requires at least some consideration? Based on your posts, you consider the team structure in Korea to be some sort of moral authority, one which supersedes the rights of an individual. Whether or not this is actually the case (the creation KESPA in Sc1 seems to suggest no) remains to be seen, and the insistence that contacting PUMA about PUMA's situation is somehow wrong makes no sense within the framework of individual liberty being supreme. I'm not saying that Puma shouldn't have been allowed to be acquired by EG, or that TSL should have resisted. I would have been equally angry had Lee been approached by EG, with Puma accepting their offer, and refused. I'm angry now because for all of the damage control and loopholes being paraded about, everyone knows that Puma was for all intents and purposes a member of TSL. When he was in NASL, everyone knew him as TSL Puma. If you asked what team he was on, the answer would be "TSL." Again, I'm not saying EG did anything illegal, but they certainly spat in the face of Coach Lee, who at the very least deserved to be approached as professional, because that's just the way businesses on equal footing (I mean in terms of scope, not finances) do things. I don't think that the team structure needs to supersede the rights of an individual. You're misunderstanding my point. I'm saying that EG handled the situation unprofessionally, because they completely ignored the fact that Puma belonged to, or at least was associated with, a team. I've said it many times and I'll say it again: pretending that puma was a free agent in the same sense that someone who is teamless is a free agent is disingenuous and not indicative of the way in which most people (including most Koreans, by the look of things) look at teams. EG, assuming they are comprised of human beings, should understand this and act accordingly, and through above-the-table channels. At the very least, EG could have said "we'll be talking to Coach Lee about our intentions for recruiting you before anything happens." But no, that would have required too much, wouldn't it? Stop kidding yourselves.
It sounds as though there is a very real possibility that they said this to Puma, only for him to suggest that he broach the subject with his coach. The fact of the matter is we have very little concrete evidence regarding exactly how Puma was approached, but if he suggested that he take the lead on discussing the situation with his coach how can one fault EG for catering to his wishes? Furthermore, the nebulous nature of the whole transaction indicates that a reasonable approach is one of forbearance; Puma's perspective on the whole matter woud help a great deal.
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On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident.
And some of you are blinded by your desire to see the world up in arms over ever tiny thing. I'll admit I rather enjoy the TL posts where someone ascertains a macroscopic perspective on e-sports in general, as though they at once can know the wishes and outlooks of every person involved, but things are not so simple. Like I said before, a little forbearance would do the TL community a world of good, there's a reason why the trope of a guy touting the end of the world on the street corner is a tired one.
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I don't understand what people are nitpicking about. This was 100% unprofessional on every conceivable level. On both sides
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On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident.
And you're blinded by your wish to demonize EG as the big corporate bad guys. All of this drama boils down to Coach Lee being incredibly unprofessional and whining about all of this on a public forum, which is most definitely not the place for it, this cannot be argued. Sure it would have been courtesy to let TSL know they were interested in their player, and I can't imagine they would have let PuMa sign a contract without letting them know it. Should they have contacted TSL before telling PuMa they were interested in him? Absolutely not. Why should they? TSL have no claim to the player and I'm sure before things would have gone any further they'd at least like to know if the player himself was interested. Also given the reactions they'd received from other Korean teams when they showed interest in players what response could they expect? "Hi Coach, we want to sign PuMa, is that cool?" "No" "Okay, thanks."
It's funny that people actually were fooled by this interview and reinforced this idea that EG are the bullies stealing from poor little TSL in their troubled time, but really the aim of this interview was to distract the retarded denizens of the internet that Coach Lee fucked up more than anyone else. "Boohoo pity us, forget that I'm the cause of this massive,unnecessary shitstorm and pity me instead waaaah". Also this happy-happy-family-TSL illusion that people seem to have, If Coach Lee gave a flying fuck about PuMa he'd never have slung shit allover this huge opportunity of career advancement(whether it was distasteful in his opinion or not), that was a nice little birthday present for PuMa, wasn't it? There's been so much dribble posted on these forums by clueless sheep who for some reason have a righteous fury over something they should not even know about, let alone attempt to have an opinion on.
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On July 24 2011 04:14 Klipsys wrote:
I don't understand what people are nitpicking about. This was 100% unprofessional on every conceivable level.
EDIT-There isn't a single plausible excuse that anyone from EG or their representatives can rely on. It was ultimately their responsibility to ensure there would be no bad blood, and they failed miserably. This entire situation has set Western esports back about ten steps.
I completely disagree. TSL's coach Lee started the shitstorm before Puma was ever signed, before the deal was even finalized. If anyone was unprofessional in this matter it is TSL's manager.
Put yourself in Puma's shoes. You are in a team who doesn't pay you, or doesn't even have you signed, also the said team is falling apart by hemoraging other top players. A stronger team who's willing to pay you approaches you about the potential contract. Your current manager starts the Internet shitstorm. Would this be in your best interest as a player? If anyone is unprofessional it is coach Lee.
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On July 24 2011 04:19 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident. And you're blinded by your wish to demonize EG as the big corporate bad guys. All of this drama boils down to Coach Lee being incredibly unprofessional and whining about all of this on a public forum, which is most definitely not the place for it, this cannot be argued. Sure it would have been courtesy to let TSL know they were interested in their player, and I can't imagine they would have let PuMa sign a contract without letting them know it. Should they have contacted TSL before telling PuMa they were interested in him? Absolutely not. Why should they? TSL have no claim to the player and I'm sure before things would have gone any further they'd at least like to know if the player himself was interested. Also given the reactions they'd received from other Korean teams when they showed interest in players what response could they expect? "Hi Coach, we want to sign PuMa, is that cool?" "No" "Okay, thanks." It's funny that people actually were fooled by this interview and reinforced this idea that EG are the bullies stealing from poor little TSL in their troubled time, but really the aim of this interview was to distract the retarded denizens of the internet that Coach Lee fucked up more than anyone else. "Boohoo pity us, forget that I'm the cause of this massive,unnecessary shitstorm and pity me instead waaaah". Also this happy-happy-family-TSL illusion that people seem to have, If Coach Lee gave a flying fuck about PuMa he'd never have slung shit allover this huge opportunity of career advancement(whether it was distasteful in his opinion or not), that was a nice little birthday present for PuMa, wasn't it? There's been so much dribble posted on these forums by clueless sheep who for some reason have a righteous fury over something they should not even know about, let alone attempt to have an opinion on.
holy shit....you are a man of reason. I though I lost hope in this forum but I'm glad they're people like you here. I sometimes want to punch some of these idiotic poster because of what they write up.
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On July 24 2011 04:23 CreamCorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:14 Klipsys wrote:
I don't understand what people are nitpicking about. This was 100% unprofessional on every conceivable level.
EDIT-There isn't a single plausible excuse that anyone from EG or their representatives can rely on. It was ultimately their responsibility to ensure there would be no bad blood, and they failed miserably. This entire situation has set Western esports back about ten steps. I completely disagree. TSL's coach Lee started the shitstorm before Puma was ever signed, before the deal was even finalized. If anyone was unprofessional in this matter it is TSL's manager.
Both sides acted unprofessionally, but EG was in the wrong even speaking to a player without informing the team they were interested in him. Without contracts it really comes down to courtesy, which EG clearly doesn't seem to have for TSL (or perhaps the entire Korean scene). What are the odds now that a single person from EG gets invited to GSL? Why would the Korean scene do anything for them now after this? Reading the Translated PlayXP Article, it seems like not a single person who posted agrees with EG or their actions, and most likely, are going to now use this incident to cast a shadow on all Western E-Sports teams.
Let's really up the ante, does anyone think Team Liquid would attempt to do this to anyone in oGs? Like literally not tell Spunky ANYTHING and just take MC or whomever?
I don't really care that EG did this, they exercised a shrewd and competitive business move. It's just upsetting that there is so little respect shown to either side.
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On July 24 2011 04:23 CreamCorn wrote:
Put yourself in Puma's shoes. You are in a team who doesn't pay you, or doesn't even have you signed, also the said team is falling apart by hemoraging other top players. A stronger team who's willing to pay you approaches you about the potential contract. Your current manager starts the Internet shitstorm. Would this be in your best interest as a player? If anyone is unprofessional it is coach Lee.
Sorry but the entire country of Korea seems to disagree with you. Our own ideas about self preservation don't seem to translate there. According to my S.Korean friends, Puma has disgraced himself, and EG is now pretty much despised.
Edit-My friend just messaged my facebook that people in the PC bang are all talking about EG and how they're not going to watch NASL next season because of this. Probably BS but still, they really pissed off people over there with this move.
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On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident.
Oh god stop being a drama queen. You're almost saying " how dare you pick the opposite side of the argument against me!" It's so immature. It's really odd to see Koreans so upset when they did so little to actually keep their player in the first place and weren't willing to try and be competitive financially for him. If they don't have enough money and simply wish him well that's one thing, but to demand his compliance with a team he has no legal obligation could be viewed as just as selfish as Puma wanting to dictate his own future. Korea needs to understand international business really does involve entirely different people and cultures then themselves.
Then there's one last thing, if Puma knew this would be that big of a deal he should have emphasized that to EG, otherwise they see him as a free agent with no other outside parties that need to be dealt with. It's pretty simple because the only circumstance I see EG really stepping on people's toes legitimately with no defense and excuse is if Puma told them that it would cause a shit storm if they didnt take to the team/coach just to let him understand what they were doing and to keep him involved in the process. That would be a dick move because it would be them ignoring the player's requests before they even signed him.
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On July 24 2011 04:31 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:23 CreamCorn wrote:On July 24 2011 04:14 Klipsys wrote:
I don't understand what people are nitpicking about. This was 100% unprofessional on every conceivable level.
EDIT-There isn't a single plausible excuse that anyone from EG or their representatives can rely on. It was ultimately their responsibility to ensure there would be no bad blood, and they failed miserably. This entire situation has set Western esports back about ten steps. I completely disagree. TSL's coach Lee started the shitstorm before Puma was ever signed, before the deal was even finalized. If anyone was unprofessional in this matter it is TSL's manager. Both sides acted unprofessionally, but EG was in the wrong even speaking to a player without informing the team they were interested in him. Without contracts it really comes down to courtesy, which EG clearly doesn't seem to have for TSL (or perhaps the entire Korean scene). What are the odds now that a single person from EG gets invited to GSL? Why would the Korean scene do anything for them now after this? Reading the Translated PlayXP Article, it seems like not a single person who posted agrees with EG or their actions, and most likely, are going to now use this incident to cast a shadow on all Western E-Sports teams. Let's really up the ante, does anyone think Team Liquid would attempt to do this to anyone in oGs? Like literally not tell Spunky ANYTHING and just take MC or whomever? I don't really care that EG did this, they exercised a shrewd and competitive business move. It's just upsetting that there is so little respect shown to either side.
I don't see a big deal in approaching a player first. It's in players best interest after all..I could care less if coaches and team leadership get offended. TL and oGs are partners so you gave a bad example, while EG and TSL are competitors. People are butthurt for no reason here.
If I ran a team and I knew MC didn't have a contract, of course I would talk to him first. Why would I bother with Spunky at that point? I like Spunky but this is between (me a hypothetical team manager) and MC and it has nothing to do with oGs. Now if MC and oGs had a contract that would be a different story, in this case I would have no choice but to talk to Spunky.
People need to get off this politeness wagon, we're talking about a competitive sport here.
A team recruiters job is to get the best talent. Being super polite doesn't help them accomplish that goal.
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has puma been officially signed on EG?
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On July 24 2011 04:19 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
Sure it would have been courtesy to let TSL know they were interested in their player, and I can't imagine they would have let PuMa sign a contract without letting them know it.
On July 24 2011 04:19 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
Also given the reactions they'd received from other Korean teams when they showed interest in players what response could they expect? "Hi Coach, we want to sign PuMa, is that cool?" "No" "Okay, thanks."
I believe if EG were to expect that response from TSL but decided to try and sign Puma anyways, they wouldn't have let TSL know. That statement seems to suggest otherwise.
By expecting that response and doing it anyways, implies that EG is doing this without TSL's knowledge and consent. They're doing it without TSL knowing, because TSL wouldn't have let them otherwise.
However, I don't think it was EG's intention to do this behind the coach's back. EG and Puma agreed that Puma will talk to the coach with Puma still unsigned. EG should have sent a representative instead.
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On July 24 2011 04:37 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:23 CreamCorn wrote:
Put yourself in Puma's shoes. You are in a team who doesn't pay you, or doesn't even have you signed, also the said team is falling apart by hemoraging other top players. A stronger team who's willing to pay you approaches you about the potential contract. Your current manager starts the Internet shitstorm. Would this be in your best interest as a player? If anyone is unprofessional it is coach Lee. Sorry but the entire country of Korea seems to disagree with you. Our own ideas about self preservation don't seem to translate there. According to my S.Korean friends, Puma has disgraced himself, and EG is now pretty much despised. Edit-My friend just messaged my facebook that people in the PC bang are all talking about EG and how they're not going to watch NASL next season because of this. Probably BS but still, they really pissed off people over there with this move.
Again, somehow some people are able to understand the climate of an ENTIRE country, with millions of people, based on opinions of friends and forum posts. Oh lawd.
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On July 24 2011 04:05 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident. And some of you are blinded by your desire to see the world up in arms over ever tiny thing. I'll admit I rather enjoy the TL posts where someone ascertains a macroscopic perspective on e-sports in general, as though they at once can know the wishes and outlooks of every person involved, but things are not so simple. Like I said before, a little forbearance would do the TL community a world of good, there's a reason why the trope of a guy touting the end of the world on the street corner is a tired one. edit: sorry double post
Pretentiousness aside, the last thing I'm doing is screaming the end of the world telling people to be saved by Jesus. Gimme a break. The 10% that frequented this site before the release SC2 understand that a united Korea when it comes to Starcraft is not something to be scoffed at. Does Korean nationalism make sense? Maybe not in our eyes. But, the fact that Koreans are having an emergency meeting to "prevent foreign teams from stealing their players" is a cause for concern, is it not?
Am I in approval of Coach Lee for lashing out publicly? Fuck no, but it really doesn't matter if you think if EG or TSL is in the "wrong" in the long run. Fact is, to put it bluntly, international esports for SC2 made a ton of progress in one year and this single incident sets it back 8.
What can we hope for? After the two year exclusivity contract with Gretech expires, we can hope that KeSPA/OGN/MBC and Blizzard come to some form of an agreement so SC2 gets more exposure in Korea. But until then, the Korean players will be locked down and the only chance you will see one on a foreign team is if it is wealthy enough for the transfer/loan.
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On July 24 2011 04:24 GoldenGun wrote:
holy shit....you are a man of reason. I though I lost hope in this forum but I'm glad they're people like you here. I sometimes want to punch some of these idiotic poster because of what they write up.
Instead of wanting to punch me, how about we add to the discussion and give me some perspective. Manner up.
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On July 24 2011 04:31 Klipsys wrote:
What are the odds now that a single person from EG gets invited to GSL?
To be fair, the odds of that were already fairly low so it's not really a punishment, assuming that it even happens.
For all the attention this is getting now, I can't help but wonder how many will actually care that it happened a few weeks from now.
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On July 24 2011 05:10 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:05 farvacola wrote:On July 24 2011 03:58 PHC wrote:
Some of you are so blinded by your support and defense of EG it makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
At this point it doesn't really matter who was contracted or uncontracted. The damage has already been done to the scene. This is so much bigger than this one single incident. And some of you are blinded by your desire to see the world up in arms over ever tiny thing. I'll admit I rather enjoy the TL posts where someone ascertains a macroscopic perspective on e-sports in general, as though they at once can know the wishes and outlooks of every person involved, but things are not so simple. Like I said before, a little forbearance would do the TL community a world of good, there's a reason why the trope of a guy touting the end of the world on the street corner is a tired one. edit: sorry double post Pretentiousness aside, the last thing I'm doing is screaming the end of the world telling people to be saved by Jesus. Gimme a break. The 10% that frequented this site before the release SC2 understand that a united Korea when it comes to Starcraft is not something to be scoffed at. Does Korean nationalism make sense? Maybe not in our eyes. But, the fact that Koreans are having an emergency meeting to "prevent foreign teams from stealing their players" is a cause for concern, is it not? Am I in approval of Coach Lee for lashing out publicly? Fuck no, but it really doesn't matter if you think if EG or TSL is in the "wrong" in the long run. Fact is, to put it bluntly, international esports for SC2 made a ton of progress in one year and this single incident sets it back 8. What can we hope for? After the two year exclusivity contract with Gretech expires, we can hope that KeSPA/OGN/MBC and Blizzard come to some form of an agreement so SC2 gets more exposure in Korea. But until then, the Korean players will be locked down and the only chance you will see one on a foreign team is if it is wealthy enough for the transfer/loan.
The agreement between compLexity and MVP being announced right after the Puma incident suggests that the Korean response to the foreigner scene is anything but united. Take the distinctive separation between the Sc1 and Sc2 scenes. Sure, the Sc1 scene is united in its taking place entirely in Korea, but Sc2 is already far outside those bounds, and the fact that Sc2 is not nearly as popular as Sc1 indicates that national boundaries are hardly a requisite for success. Passionate Sc2 gamers/teams are going to look for opportunity, and the actions of oGs, MVP, and fOu indicate that many frontrunners of the Sc2 scene are willing to look outside the boundaries of SK to find said opportunity.
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On July 24 2011 04:47 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:37 Klipsys wrote:On July 24 2011 04:23 CreamCorn wrote:
Put yourself in Puma's shoes. You are in a team who doesn't pay you, or doesn't even have you signed, also the said team is falling apart by hemoraging other top players. A stronger team who's willing to pay you approaches you about the potential contract. Your current manager starts the Internet shitstorm. Would this be in your best interest as a player? If anyone is unprofessional it is coach Lee. Sorry but the entire country of Korea seems to disagree with you. Our own ideas about self preservation don't seem to translate there. According to my S.Korean friends, Puma has disgraced himself, and EG is now pretty much despised. Edit-My friend just messaged my facebook that people in the PC bang are all talking about EG and how they're not going to watch NASL next season because of this. Probably BS but still, they really pissed off people over there with this move. Again, somehow some people are able to understand the climate of an ENTIRE country, with millions of people, based on opinions of friends and forum posts. Oh lawd.
Honestly I don't think any Korean needs to read any forum posts to understand what millions of people think.
Actually, make that what 1.5+ billion would feel. What Puma and EG did would be considered extremely disgraceful not only in Korea, but also China, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. He violated the trust he had with an (parent/elder/teacher/mentor), someone who took care of him. This doesn't mean he's restricted from joining another team, but he (and EG) need to show at least a sense and respect and courtesy to the coach.
The "it's just business" or "it's Puma's right" argument comes from Westerners who have a hard time understanding and agreeing with the East Asian thought. Yes, it is Puma's right to leave TSL and sign with EG. But to East Asians, your duty to those who take care of you is more important than individual freedom and rights.
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Did puma sign with EG?@!?@?@?
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On July 24 2011 05:44 dookudooku wrote:
The "it's just business" or "it's Puma's right" argument comes from Westerners who have a hard time understanding and agreeing with the East Asian thought. Yes, it is Puma's right to leave TSL and sign with EG. But to East Asians, your duty to those who take care of you is more important than individual freedom and rights.
I would like to ask you, How long does that duty last? If Puma would have said to his coach "I want to join EG, but I want to carry out my duty for TSL" for how long should he stay on a team before it's acceptable for him to leave? As there was no contract with TSL, for how long should Puma have needed to stay with TSL by this East-Asian sense of duty to his '(parent/elder/teacher/mentor)' ? A month? A year? Rest of his life? What would you consider to be an acceptable timeframe?
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Also some people are implying that Puma owns something to TSL because they "took care of him" but surely everyone understands that while TSL was providing Puma with great environment to train, Puma himself was providing himself as a training partner to a team helping them grow into what they are today.
Also I find it quite interesting that in a playxp interview Coach Lee tells Puma and I quote article "I even told him that there will be a lot of negative feedback surrounding this" and then he himself goes and makes majority of that negative feedback. To me it seems like Coach Lee would make a great Scumbag meme picture with text "Warns that there will be negative feedback - Creates all the negative feedback himself". No respect for that kind of behavior.
Also this meeting that is going to happen, won't really matter much. Sure probably every good player who is active Now will be signed on a contract and maybe it even will mean that they won't be able to participate in International tournaments, who knows. But please do remember that Players are NEVER forced to sign any contract.
Only reason why KESPA was able to force their players into ironclad contracts is the lack of true alternative to South Korean SC:BW scene. There is no SC:BW scene outside South Korea, so SC:BW players had no alternative than to accept whatever bullshit KESPA fed them.
The way I see it, eSports (StarCraft 2) grew to what it was 2010/early 2011 in EU/US without any help from South Korean players. And by that I mean myriad of tournaments we have right now that do just fine without South Korean players. If there would be 0 players coming from GSL to MLG I would still watch it, because I like the game, not South Koreans.
And I for one am Sure that we will grow no matter what South Korea decided to do. I'm sure hope that what happens in South Korea will have absolutely nothing to do with what happens outside South Korea.
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