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On July 23 2011 19:38 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 19:31 DCWasabi wrote:
If you were in Puma's shoes wouldn't you be looking out for your own financial well-being? Not like SC2 is the most stable career. Especially in Korea, where you make no money unless you can squeeze into code S, which is extremely hard to do because there are 100+ amazing players and only 32 "money spots"
Only Semifinalist recieve a decent amount of money.
BW is backed by major SK corporations that hand out salaries to most of the pro gamers. This system is sustainable while a prize money system will fail in the long run, because there is not much to gain for most of the guys.
That is where Gretech and Blizz have fucked up. They could not come to terms with Kespa (SK corporations) and had to get money elsewhere in order to achieve sustainability. SK corporations work together through Kespa and Gretech and Blizz are seen as intruders that are welcome with a wall of silence. Now Gretech and Blizz realize more and more that they need Kespa while already having burned bridges with them.
The best thing would be: Gretech gives up the exklusive rights and becomes a major partner for the cable stations that broadcast BW in SK. Then all governing issues will be handed over to Kespa to get SK corporations on board and allow BW teams to establish SC2 teams or to merge with existing teams. This will give the ordinary pro gamer a salary and make a SC2 pro gaming career worthwhile.
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On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:
If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases.
Visited myeg.net for the perhaps third - but definitely last - time in my life. Gathered a list of the sponsors that I can avoid. Its basically the only easy way to even remotely try to keep and stick to your personal principles.
So:
Intel -> Always gone with AMD anyways, no problem
Steelseries -> I looove my 5HV2USB headset, but it actually recently broke (no sound in the right ear sometimes, have to smack it around a bit for it to start working) and its only ~1 year old. Guess I will go with a Razer headset next!
Monster Energy -> Who the fuck drinks Monster Energy anyway, it taste like shit. Redbull all the way!
Kingston HyperX -> Fine, I'll buy Corsair or Crucial then.
Bigfoot Networks -> You know what they say: "Big feet = Big dick (aka EG)
Ventrilo -> Teamspeak ftw
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I'm glad we got to hear a little more about this whole thing from coach Lee some time after. A little look inside the workings of a team is always enlightening as well.
Thanks for the post.
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On July 23 2011 20:48 tiaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:
If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases.
Visited myeg.net for the perhaps third - but definitely last - time in my life. Gathered a list of the sponsors that I can avoid. Its basically the only easy way to even remotely try to keep and stick to your personal principles. So: Intel -> Always gone with AMD anyways, no problem Steelseries -> I looove my 5HV2USB headset, but it actually recently broke (no sound in the right ear sometimes, have to smack it around a bit for it to start working) and its only ~1 year old. Guess I will go with a Razer headset next! Monster Energy -> Who the fuck drinks Monster Energy anyway, it taste like shit. Redbull all the way! Kingston HyperX -> Fine, I'll buy Corsair or Crucial then. Bigfoot Networks -> You know what they say: "Big feet = Big dick (aka EG) Ventrilo -> Teamspeak ftw
That's overblown hatred right there gents.
Some of those sponsors also sponsor teams like dignitas and fnatic, I suppose you'll be avoiding them too.
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On July 23 2011 21:08 poorbeggarman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 20:48 tiaz wrote:On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:
If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases.
Visited myeg.net for the perhaps third - but definitely last - time in my life. Gathered a list of the sponsors that I can avoid. Its basically the only easy way to even remotely try to keep and stick to your personal principles. So: Intel -> Always gone with AMD anyways, no problem Steelseries -> I looove my 5HV2USB headset, but it actually recently broke (no sound in the right ear sometimes, have to smack it around a bit for it to start working) and its only ~1 year old. Guess I will go with a Razer headset next! Monster Energy -> Who the fuck drinks Monster Energy anyway, it taste like shit. Redbull all the way! Kingston HyperX -> Fine, I'll buy Corsair or Crucial then. Bigfoot Networks -> You know what they say: "Big feet = Big dick (aka EG) Ventrilo -> Teamspeak ftw That's overblown hatred right there gents. Some of those sponsors also sponsor teams like dignitas and fnatic, I suppose you'll be avoiding them too.
Not at all, overblown hatred would be what others have suggested to take their anger and other motions out on the players directly by booing them and stuff like that.
What I'm doing is simply use my right as a consumer to stay away from sponsors of a team I do not wish any success. There is no "hatred" - wasn't the main point of everyone that defended EG that "It's only business"? Very well, then I will conduct my personal business with companys not affiliated with EG.
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On July 23 2011 20:48 tiaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:
If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases.
Visited myeg.net for the perhaps third - but definitely last - time in my life. Gathered a list of the sponsors that I can avoid. Its basically the only easy way to even remotely try to keep and stick to your personal principles. So: Intel -> Always gone with AMD anyways, no problem Steelseries -> I looove my 5HV2USB headset, but it actually recently broke (no sound in the right ear sometimes, have to smack it around a bit for it to start working) and its only ~1 year old. Guess I will go with a Razer headset next! Monster Energy -> Who the fuck drinks Monster Energy anyway, it taste like shit. Redbull all the way! Kingston HyperX -> Fine, I'll buy Corsair or Crucial then. Bigfoot Networks -> You know what they say: "Big feet = Big dick (aka EG) Ventrilo -> Teamspeak ftw
Dont support companies that support 'esport', awesome idea -_-
This kind of posts should be bannable.
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On July 23 2011 21:53 monXikk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 20:48 tiaz wrote:On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:
If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases.
Visited myeg.net for the perhaps third - but definitely last - time in my life. Gathered a list of the sponsors that I can avoid. Its basically the only easy way to even remotely try to keep and stick to your personal principles. So: Intel -> Always gone with AMD anyways, no problem Steelseries -> I looove my 5HV2USB headset, but it actually recently broke (no sound in the right ear sometimes, have to smack it around a bit for it to start working) and its only ~1 year old. Guess I will go with a Razer headset next! Monster Energy -> Who the fuck drinks Monster Energy anyway, it taste like shit. Redbull all the way! Kingston HyperX -> Fine, I'll buy Corsair or Crucial then. Bigfoot Networks -> You know what they say: "Big feet = Big dick (aka EG) Ventrilo -> Teamspeak ftw Dont support companies that support 'esport', awesome idea -_- This kind of posts should be bannable.
You think those are the only companies that supports esports? What world are you living in? I always try to buy products from companies that support esports but 1.) There are limits and 2.) If I can buy Razer instead of Steelseries in what way, shape or form would that harm esports? The difference would be that a company that doesn't sponsor a team I dislike would get my money.
Jeez.
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i can't believe how much eg hate is in this thread. óo
they offered a good player who was in a financially unstable position (no salary) stability, and the opportunity to play in foreign tournaments. since when is that evil? why exactly should i boycott them now?
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I dont understand why there is anything wrong with PuMa joining EG instead of TSL, and why there should be anything wrong with EG contacting PuMa before contacting Mr.Lee?
PuMa does not owe TSL ANYTHING. He has brought them exposure and fans not only in Korea but he also went to NASL flagging the TSL shirt and their sponsors. Also he wasnt payed and didnt have a contract with TSL. The TSL staff and the remaining players should thank PuMa for doing his best for as long as it lasted, and support him moving on to a bigger organisation that will give him a better founding and provide him with beeing able to compete in tournaments outside of Korea.
I think it's bullshit that guys like Milkis seem to have it in their head that EG seem to owe apologies to various korean organizations. They have done nothing wrong and not offended TSL or any other ogranization by starting a partnership with PuMa.
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On July 23 2011 22:21 NinMarth wrote:
i can't believe how much eg hate is in this thread. óo
they offered a good player who was in a financially unstable position (no salary) stability, and the opportunity to play in foreign tournaments. since when is that evil? why exactly should i boycott them now?
The only problem is that EG was expecting Puma to clear everything with his coach first, and if his coach wanted to talk with EG first then they expected Puma would make that happen. Puma has EG's business card, they COULD'VE talked.
Instead Puma' Coach told him he was fine with it, and then turned around and told the press that he was disgusted that EG didn't talk to him. Screw EG? The Coach could've asked for Puma to wait until he talked to EG, but his coach assumed EG was just assholes, and thus we have this situation.
And now Kespa-like measures are being proposed all over Korea. Screw EG? Or Screw Coach Lee's overeaction and unwilling-ness to contact EG?
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On July 23 2011 23:26 Galaxy613 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 22:21 NinMarth wrote:
i can't believe how much eg hate is in this thread. óo
they offered a good player who was in a financially unstable position (no salary) stability, and the opportunity to play in foreign tournaments. since when is that evil? why exactly should i boycott them now? The only problem is that EG was expecting Puma to clear everything with his coach first, and if his coach wanted to talk with EG first then they expected Puma would make that happen. Puma has EG's business card, they COULD'VE talked. Instead Puma' Coach told him he was fine with it, and then turned around and told the press that he was disgusted that EG didn't talk to him. Screw EG? The Coach could've asked for Puma to wait until he talked to EG, but his coach assumed EG was just assholes, and thus we have this situation. And now Kespa-like measures are being proposed all over Korea. Screw EG? Or Screw Coach Lee's overeaction and unwilling-ness to contact EG?
Are you trolling?
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first.
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On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first.
Why would EG need to approach him about a player not under contract? Courtesy? EG had no obligation to speak to anyone other than Puma. While this was another blow for TSL, I don't think any party was actually wronged in any of this.
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On July 23 2011 23:47 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first. Why would EG need to approach him about a player not under contract? Courtesy? EG had no obligation to speak to anyone other than Puma. While this was another blow for TSL, I don't think any party was actually wronged in any of this.
I agree. I attribute this whole drama to the coach Lee. Puma could have declined. But ultimately Puma wasn't contracted and he isn't receiving a salary from the TSL. EG wants to pay Puma. This is great for Puma, EG and the SC2 as esport.
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On July 23 2011 23:47 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first. Why would EG need to approach him about a player not under contract? Courtesy? EG had no obligation to speak to anyone other than Puma. While this was another blow for TSL, I don't think any party was actually wronged in any of this.
Yes, courtesy. No one is saying EG did anything illegal. We're saying they acted unprofessionally and discourteously.
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On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first.
But instead of righting the perceived wrong he went to press! I guess it's easier to throw hate around then it is to actually talk calmly.
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On July 23 2011 23:47 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first. Why would EG need to approach him about a player not under contract? Courtesy? EG had no obligation to speak to anyone other than Puma. While this was another blow for TSL, I don't think any party was actually wronged in any of this.
Uhh..... Even though PuMa wasn't contracted, he was still under TSL. Since he wasn't on a contract, no one was wronged technically, but it was still a dick move by EG. I actually find it very hard to see this from the other side of the argument...
On July 23 2011 23:59 CreamCorn wrote:
I agree. I attribute this whole drama to the coach Lee. Puma could have declined. But ultimately Puma wasn't contracted and he isn't receiving a salary from the TSL. EG wants to pay Puma. This is great for Puma, EG and the SC2 as esport.
Well no, now that teams are thinking twice about sending their players internationally. Clide and Killer admitted they have been approached too. Don't you think it's more professional for teams to go after the management instead of the players themselves?
On July 24 2011 00:02 Galaxy613 wrote:
But instead of righting the perceived wrong he went to press! I guess it's easier to throw hate around then it is to actually talk calmly.
If you actually read the article and followed TSL's twitter, you would know better than to say something like this... :S
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On July 24 2011 00:03 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 23:47 Dranak wrote:On July 23 2011 23:33 CanucksJC wrote:
It isn't Coach Lee's responsibility to talk to EG, it should have been EG that approached Coach Lee first. Why would EG need to approach him about a player not under contract? Courtesy? EG had no obligation to speak to anyone other than Puma. While this was another blow for TSL, I don't think any party was actually wronged in any of this. Uhh..... Even though PuMa wasn't contracted, he was still under TSL. Since he wasn't on a contract, no one was wronged technically, but it was still a dick move by EG. I actually find it very hard to see this from the other side of the argument...
I don't see how it's a dick move to reward a good player with a contract and pay him a salary. I think it's a dick move by TSL's head coach to create all this drama over this. It's really unfair to Puma really, who deserves to be contracted for he's a really talented player.
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What a drama ... 
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this feels like tsl will end up like VT did
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EG Fighting!
I hope they get more unpaid top players under contract.
Screw courtesy.
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