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On July 22 2011 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:10 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:59 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:57 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG bought up a korean player from a struggling team but they haven't gone against any contracts, are going to the mat to support their new player with salary, travel expenses and flying him to the EG team house to meet the team / acclimatize and they simply followed Pumas wishs in how he wanted to handle the transition re: talking to the TSL staff. I know TSL is an a strange financal situation but you have to realize they paid FD the most money at the time of his contract. Had he discussed it with his team before making the decision to leave he might have been able to get some money. TSL is not a struggling team. They are #1 in the GSTL and EG is probably the weakest big NA team out there. I have no idea what you are talking about. Puma is also staying in Korea and will not be living EG. Read up on this stuff before you talk about it... Have you actually read the full text of Coach Lees interview? It's translated here.Read it then respond to me and yes EG will be flying Puma to the EG team house for a few weeks to meet / greet / sign / train. I have read the interview. Note that he is talking about the past, I'll assume in the prior to this month in which TSL has shown great success and has gotten the relief of not having to pay FD and Tester the majority $60k in contract money. I have not heard that Puma was going to the EG house. From what I've heard from EG representatives themselves is that they would find Puma a place in Korea and have him to stay and train there, assuming to not bring down their new investment from training with their average players. Link? Tonights Lo3, the videos aren't up yet. And only FD, Tester and Clide recived a salary and no TSL hasn't been showing great success prior to this month. Quoth the Coach Lee; Show nested quote +TSL has not had a very good showing in tournaments so far this year, which lead to a decrease in number of members as well as sponsors.
My mistake, I meant to say that prior to this month TSL hadn't shown results but this month they have shown great results.
Also, we have knowledge of FD,Tester,Clide,SangHo all receiving salaries. I wouldn't be suprised if aLive or Killer did as well.
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On July 22 2011 14:20 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:10 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:59 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:57 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG bought up a korean player from a struggling team but they haven't gone against any contracts, are going to the mat to support their new player with salary, travel expenses and flying him to the EG team house to meet the team / acclimatize and they simply followed Pumas wishs in how he wanted to handle the transition re: talking to the TSL staff. I know TSL is an a strange financal situation but you have to realize they paid FD the most money at the time of his contract. Had he discussed it with his team before making the decision to leave he might have been able to get some money. TSL is not a struggling team. They are #1 in the GSTL and EG is probably the weakest big NA team out there. I have no idea what you are talking about. Puma is also staying in Korea and will not be living EG. Read up on this stuff before you talk about it... Have you actually read the full text of Coach Lees interview? It's translated here.Read it then respond to me and yes EG will be flying Puma to the EG team house for a few weeks to meet / greet / sign / train. I have read the interview. Note that he is talking about the past, I'll assume in the prior to this month in which TSL has shown great success and has gotten the relief of not having to pay FD and Tester the majority $60k in contract money. I have not heard that Puma was going to the EG house. From what I've heard from EG representatives themselves is that they would find Puma a place in Korea and have him to stay and train there, assuming to not bring down their new investment from training with their average players. Link? Tonights Lo3, the videos aren't up yet. And only FD, Tester and Clide recived a salary and no TSL hasn't been showing great success prior to this month. Quoth the Coach Lee; TSL has not had a very good showing in tournaments so far this year, which lead to a decrease in number of members as well as sponsors. My mistake, I meant to say that prior to this month TSL hadn't shown results but this month they have shown great results. Also, we have knowledge of FD,Tester,Clide,SangHo all receiving salaries. I wouldn't be suprised if aLive or Killer did as well.
While I can’t give you the exact amounts, FruitDealer, Tester and Clide received a monthly salary from the team. Besides those three, the other members were on a stipend basis. - Coach Lee
SangHo,aLive and Killer were never salaried. Also what great successes has TSL had this month?
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On July 22 2011 14:23 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:20 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:10 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:59 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:57 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG bought up a korean player from a struggling team but they haven't gone against any contracts, are going to the mat to support their new player with salary, travel expenses and flying him to the EG team house to meet the team / acclimatize and they simply followed Pumas wishs in how he wanted to handle the transition re: talking to the TSL staff. I know TSL is an a strange financal situation but you have to realize they paid FD the most money at the time of his contract. Had he discussed it with his team before making the decision to leave he might have been able to get some money. TSL is not a struggling team. They are #1 in the GSTL and EG is probably the weakest big NA team out there. I have no idea what you are talking about. Puma is also staying in Korea and will not be living EG. Read up on this stuff before you talk about it... Have you actually read the full text of Coach Lees interview? It's translated here.Read it then respond to me and yes EG will be flying Puma to the EG team house for a few weeks to meet / greet / sign / train. I have read the interview. Note that he is talking about the past, I'll assume in the prior to this month in which TSL has shown great success and has gotten the relief of not having to pay FD and Tester the majority $60k in contract money. I have not heard that Puma was going to the EG house. From what I've heard from EG representatives themselves is that they would find Puma a place in Korea and have him to stay and train there, assuming to not bring down their new investment from training with their average players. Link? Tonights Lo3, the videos aren't up yet. And only FD, Tester and Clide recived a salary and no TSL hasn't been showing great success prior to this month. Quoth the Coach Lee; TSL has not had a very good showing in tournaments so far this year, which lead to a decrease in number of members as well as sponsors. My mistake, I meant to say that prior to this month TSL hadn't shown results but this month they have shown great results. Also, we have knowledge of FD,Tester,Clide,SangHo all receiving salaries. I wouldn't be suprised if aLive or Killer did as well. Show nested quote +While I can’t give you the exact amounts, FruitDealer, Tester and Clide received a monthly salary from the team. Besides those three, the other members were on a stipend basis. - Coach Lee SangHo was never salaried, aLive and Killer were never salaried.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=609483
link here says that most the team is salaried. where are you saying this from?
at the time they had 10 players i believe...so most would be 6 or 7.
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On July 22 2011 14:04 Terrafros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
Update: Notes from Weapon of Choice
- Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet.
- EG did approach Puma first, and then Puma and EG agreed that it would be for the best if Puma talked to the coach. EG never contacted the coach after that.
Huh. So... EG showed interested, let Puma know to check for interest, Puma goes to coach and raises this interest, -before- EG has contracted Puma. However, apparently Puma was -very- eager to leave TSL. Without a guarantee of a contract, Puma informs the coach that he will be leaving instead of informing the coach that EG has an interest in him. So... where is the BM here? I seriously do not see the problem here. EG peaks interest, EG and player find mutual interest, EG and player agree to talk to coach first, player talks to coach and states his intent, coach and player have a fallout and the OP happens. It seems more like the coach raged and then quickly informed everyone he could.
How can people take your opinion seriously when you can't even get the facts right?
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On July 22 2011 14:25 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:23 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:20 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:10 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:59 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:57 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG bought up a korean player from a struggling team but they haven't gone against any contracts, are going to the mat to support their new player with salary, travel expenses and flying him to the EG team house to meet the team / acclimatize and they simply followed Pumas wishs in how he wanted to handle the transition re: talking to the TSL staff. I know TSL is an a strange financal situation but you have to realize they paid FD the most money at the time of his contract. Had he discussed it with his team before making the decision to leave he might have been able to get some money. TSL is not a struggling team. They are #1 in the GSTL and EG is probably the weakest big NA team out there. I have no idea what you are talking about. Puma is also staying in Korea and will not be living EG. Read up on this stuff before you talk about it... Have you actually read the full text of Coach Lees interview? It's translated here.Read it then respond to me and yes EG will be flying Puma to the EG team house for a few weeks to meet / greet / sign / train. I have read the interview. Note that he is talking about the past, I'll assume in the prior to this month in which TSL has shown great success and has gotten the relief of not having to pay FD and Tester the majority $60k in contract money. I have not heard that Puma was going to the EG house. From what I've heard from EG representatives themselves is that they would find Puma a place in Korea and have him to stay and train there, assuming to not bring down their new investment from training with their average players. Link? Tonights Lo3, the videos aren't up yet. And only FD, Tester and Clide recived a salary and no TSL hasn't been showing great success prior to this month. Quoth the Coach Lee; TSL has not had a very good showing in tournaments so far this year, which lead to a decrease in number of members as well as sponsors. My mistake, I meant to say that prior to this month TSL hadn't shown results but this month they have shown great results. Also, we have knowledge of FD,Tester,Clide,SangHo all receiving salaries. I wouldn't be suprised if aLive or Killer did as well. While I can’t give you the exact amounts, FruitDealer, Tester and Clide received a monthly salary from the team. Besides those three, the other members were on a stipend basis. - Coach Lee SangHo was never salaried, aLive and Killer were never salaried. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=609483link here says that most the team is salaried. where are you saying this from? at the time they had 10 players i believe...so most would be 6 or 7.
I'm going off of Coach Lees direct words. The interview you claimed you had read fully earlier when I said you were jumping to conclusions?
On July 22 2011 14:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:04 Terrafros wrote:On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
Update: Notes from Weapon of Choice
- Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet.
- EG did approach Puma first, and then Puma and EG agreed that it would be for the best if Puma talked to the coach. EG never contacted the coach after that.
Huh. So... EG showed interested, let Puma know to check for interest, Puma goes to coach and raises this interest, -before- EG has contracted Puma. However, apparently Puma was -very- eager to leave TSL. Without a guarantee of a contract, Puma informs the coach that he will be leaving instead of informing the coach that EG has an interest in him. So... where is the BM here? I seriously do not see the problem here. EG peaks interest, EG and player find mutual interest, EG and player agree to talk to coach first, player talks to coach and states his intent, coach and player have a fallout and the OP happens. It seems more like the coach raged and then quickly informed everyone he could. How can people take your opinion seriously when you can't even get the facts right?
What facts are you claiming he got wrong?
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On July 22 2011 14:28 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:25 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 14:23 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:20 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 14:14 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 14:10 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:59 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:57 hyptonic wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
EG bought up a korean player from a struggling team but they haven't gone against any contracts, are going to the mat to support their new player with salary, travel expenses and flying him to the EG team house to meet the team / acclimatize and they simply followed Pumas wishs in how he wanted to handle the transition re: talking to the TSL staff. I know TSL is an a strange financal situation but you have to realize they paid FD the most money at the time of his contract. Had he discussed it with his team before making the decision to leave he might have been able to get some money. TSL is not a struggling team. They are #1 in the GSTL and EG is probably the weakest big NA team out there. I have no idea what you are talking about. Puma is also staying in Korea and will not be living EG. Read up on this stuff before you talk about it... Have you actually read the full text of Coach Lees interview? It's translated here.Read it then respond to me and yes EG will be flying Puma to the EG team house for a few weeks to meet / greet / sign / train. I have read the interview. Note that he is talking about the past, I'll assume in the prior to this month in which TSL has shown great success and has gotten the relief of not having to pay FD and Tester the majority $60k in contract money. I have not heard that Puma was going to the EG house. From what I've heard from EG representatives themselves is that they would find Puma a place in Korea and have him to stay and train there, assuming to not bring down their new investment from training with their average players. Link? Tonights Lo3, the videos aren't up yet. And only FD, Tester and Clide recived a salary and no TSL hasn't been showing great success prior to this month. Quoth the Coach Lee; TSL has not had a very good showing in tournaments so far this year, which lead to a decrease in number of members as well as sponsors. My mistake, I meant to say that prior to this month TSL hadn't shown results but this month they have shown great results. Also, we have knowledge of FD,Tester,Clide,SangHo all receiving salaries. I wouldn't be suprised if aLive or Killer did as well. While I can’t give you the exact amounts, FruitDealer, Tester and Clide received a monthly salary from the team. Besides those three, the other members were on a stipend basis. - Coach Lee SangHo was never salaried, aLive and Killer were never salaried. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=609483link here says that most the team is salaried. where are you saying this from? at the time they had 10 players i believe...so most would be 6 or 7. I'm going off of Coach Lees direct words. The interview you claimed you had read fully earlier when I said you were jumping to conclusions? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On July 22 2011 14:04 Terrafros wrote:On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
Update: Notes from Weapon of Choice
- Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet.
- EG did approach Puma first, and then Puma and EG agreed that it would be for the best if Puma talked to the coach. EG never contacted the coach after that.
Huh. So... EG showed interested, let Puma know to check for interest, Puma goes to coach and raises this interest, -before- EG has contracted Puma. However, apparently Puma was -very- eager to leave TSL. Without a guarantee of a contract, Puma informs the coach that he will be leaving instead of informing the coach that EG has an interest in him. So... where is the BM here? I seriously do not see the problem here. EG peaks interest, EG and player find mutual interest, EG and player agree to talk to coach first, player talks to coach and states his intent, coach and player have a fallout and the OP happens. It seems more like the coach raged and then quickly informed everyone he could. How can people take your opinion seriously when you can't even get the facts right? What facts are you claiming he got wrong?
dude. wtf?
Besides those three, the other members were on a stipend basis.
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just listen to all of weapon of choice. and i completely agree with EG.
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so he left on his own accord?
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I think players should be able to think and deal for themselves... freedom is always good... keeps the teams competing and treating players the best. If Korea wants some thing else it is because they are sicko who hate freedom... who care about the bull courtesy's when it comes to players controlling there own lives... FREE THE PLAYERS!
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On July 22 2011 13:26 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:21 Azzur wrote:On July 22 2011 13:15 Daniel C wrote:
I'm seriously rofolofoling at all these e-CEO's who presume to know all about "international business" putting on their grim faces and saying "this is business". I'm willing to bet that the majority of these e-directors are "Westeners" that have never even stepped foot in Asia, let alone done business here.
Reality check: business culture is different in Asia, especially South-East Asia. Here, there is a lot of emphasis on respect and "saving face" (go and google that if you don't know what it is).
Let's put aside for the moment Puma's existing contract (or lack of one), Puma's own interest and decision-making, the conditions at the TSL house, Fruitdealer's and Trickster's departures.... Obviously, Puma is going to want do the best for himself, and from a purely monetary standpoint, EG did the certainly did the logical thing by grabbing Puma at first opportunity. But there's more to business than pure monetary considerations. By not contacting TSL's managers, EG has shown a blatant lack of respect for the SE Asian hierarchical structure, and has caused TSL to lose face. And people are acting surprised that the Korean's are having a big reaction?
Listen up e-chairmans, next time you're in South-East Asia, try doing business by charging head-first, guns a-blazing, no-respect spaghetti-Western style with your "business is business" attitude. You'll be shown the door faster than you can say "Yankee!!".
EG's reputation took a big hit among the Koreans, and deservedly so. Whether this negatively affects other foreigner-Korean relations is another question. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes and be smarter about their actions in the future.
Similarly, Asian countries need to understand that things are done differently in the West. Charging in head-first in a naive Asian-style to do business will leave them out in the cold. They're not doing business in the West.
That's not true, as long as Korean players are taking part in western tournaments, they are indeed doing business in the West.
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So after hearing both sides, here is what I am getting out of everything:
1. EG looks to get a Korean player.
2. Puma comes to America.
3. EG meets Puma, says "Hey, if you are ever interested, we will take care of you. Here's my card."
4. Puma decides that might be a good idea, talks to EG and says "I will talk to my coach myself please. I think it would be best." and EG agrees.
5. Puma talks to Coach, he is hurt but understands, they throw a party and send him off.
6. Puma calls EG, says "Yo, I talked to my coach, it was good, he understands."
7. EG and Puma start negotiations.
8. Coach feels hurt and disrespected, makes it public.
9. Forums blow up vilifying EG for "poaching."
10. Coach speaks out again, still feels disrespected by both EG and Puma.
11. EG speaks out, says that they felt correct as the player and them decided on how to approach this.
So here is my problem: I think EG is right both legally and socially. I also think that if Puma said that he wanted to talk to his coach himself and EG went around his back to talk to his coach, it could have pissed off the player, he could have been like "Screw you, I will go to a different team since you disrespected me." and both TSL and EG lose and the forums are still vilifying EG for treating a Korean badly. I think that unless everyone, Puma, TSL, and EG all came together in a room and were 100% happy, then EG was going to be the bad guy no matter what when it sounds like they did nothing wrong at all.
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TSL helped Puma, and training with Puma certainly helped those players in turn. He also got results for TSL in the GSTL. This was not a one sided relationship, he doesn't owe Coach Lee some enormous debt that can only be fulfilled by indentured servitude. If hes not under contract and wants to leave his stipend behind for a larger salary, more power to him. Can we stop talking about players like they're livestock?
I really hope TSL can get some money coming in, they deserve the sponsors. Its a bad sign if the salary players like Clyde give their money back to the team because the team needs it. Coach Lee is in a tough spot, but that doesn't mean we need to villainize Puma or EG. Moving forward, I hope things go better for everyone.
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On July 22 2011 14:45 TheAmazombie wrote:
So after hearing both sides, here is what I am getting out of everything:
1. EG looks to get a Korean player.
2. Puma comes to America.
3. EG meets Puma, says "Hey, if you are ever interested, we will take care of you. Here's my card."
4. Puma decides that might be a good idea, talks to EG and says "I will talk to my coach myself please. I think it would be best." and EG agrees.
5. Puma talks to Coach, he is hurt but understands, they throw a party and send him off.
6. Puma calls EG, says "Yo, I talked to my coach, it was good, he understands."
7. EG and Puma start negotiations.
8. Coach feels hurt and disrespected, makes it public.
9. Forums blow up vilifying EG for "poaching."
10. Coach speaks out again, still feels disrespected by both EG and Puma.
11. EG speaks out, says that they felt correct as the player and them decided on how to approach this.
So here is my problem: I think EG is right both legally and socially. I also think that if Puma said that he wanted to talk to his coach himself and EG went around his back to talk to his coach, it could have pissed off the player, he could have been like "Screw you, I will go to a different team since you disrespected me." and both TSL and EG lose and the forums are still vilifying EG for treating a Korean badly. I think that unless everyone, Puma, TSL, and EG all came together in a room and were 100% happy, then EG was going to be the bad guy no matter what when it sounds like they did nothing wrong at all.
I think it's more like
EG looks to a korean player
Puma comes to America
EG meets Puma
Puma and Eg decides to talk to TSL coach
Miscommunication between Puma and Coach and Coach thinks Puma and EG have already signed
Coach feels it is disrespectful for EG to not talk to the Coach, but instead talk to Puma
Coach speaks out
Alex Garfield speaks out, but still no official statement from EG
Alex feels this is the right way to approach things
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On July 22 2011 14:45 TheAmazombie wrote:
So after hearing both sides, here is what I am getting out of everything:
1. EG looks to get a Korean player.
2. Puma comes to America.
3. EG meets Puma, says "Hey, if you are ever interested, we will take care of you. Here's my card."
4. Puma decides that might be a good idea, talks to EG and says "I will talk to my coach myself please. I think it would be best." and EG agrees.
5. Puma talks to Coach, he is hurt but understands, they throw a party and send him off.
6. Puma calls EG, says "Yo, I talked to my coach, it was good, he understands."
7. EG and Puma start negotiations.
8. Coach feels hurt and disrespected, makes it public.
9. Forums blow up vilifying EG for "poaching."
10. Coach speaks out again, still feels disrespected by both EG and Puma.
11. EG speaks out, says that they felt correct as the player and them decided on how to approach this.
So here is my problem: I think EG is right both legally and socially. I also think that if Puma said that he wanted to talk to his coach himself and EG went around his back to talk to his coach, it could have pissed off the player, he could have been like "Screw you, I will go to a different team since you disrespected me." and both TSL and EG lose and the forums are still vilifying EG for treating a Korean badly. I think that unless everyone, Puma, TSL, and EG all came together in a room and were 100% happy, then EG was going to be the bad guy no matter what when it sounds like they did nothing wrong at all.
You all really should take "damage control" statements on a medium with friendly bias with a grain of salt. Puma is 19, EG should have far more experience with this stuff, they should know that the proper way to go about this thing is to contact management, not approach 19 year olds when they are for the first time away from home. Question is, did they care? Even if what they said was all true, EG should always be aware of the PR implications, after all it is the PR that can bring or push away sponsors and fans for the team. In this example I cannot see how EG benefited from all this, unless they are after publicity no mater if it is positive or negative.
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On July 22 2011 15:03 svarog wrote:
You all really should take "damage control" statements on a medium with friendly bias with a grain of salt. Puma is 19, EG should have far more experience with this stuff, they should know that the proper way to go about this thing is to contact management, not approach 19 year olds when they are for the first time away from home. Question is, did they care? Even if what they said was all true, EG should always be aware of the PR implications, after all it is the PR that can bring or push away sponsors and fans for the team. In this example I cannot see how EG benefited from all this, unless they are after publicity no mater if it is positive or negative.
Except EG wasn't trying to specifically recruit Puma. They handed him a card, along with several other Korean players, and probably said they were looking to recruit a Korean player in the near future. Puma jumped on the offer, because TSL wasn't backing him financially.
In Garfield's eyes, he probably imagine Puma talking to his coach, his coach contacting EG, and both teams would come to an agreement and have a big press release with all the fanfare. Instead, whether it was Lee's doing or Puma's, Puma leaves TSL almost immediately, without a contract with EG actually signed, and Lee goes public with statements about protecting Korean players from foreign teams.
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On July 22 2011 15:03 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:45 TheAmazombie wrote:
So after hearing both sides, here is what I am getting out of everything:
1. EG looks to get a Korean player.
2. Puma comes to America.
3. EG meets Puma, says "Hey, if you are ever interested, we will take care of you. Here's my card."
4. Puma decides that might be a good idea, talks to EG and says "I will talk to my coach myself please. I think it would be best." and EG agrees.
5. Puma talks to Coach, he is hurt but understands, they throw a party and send him off.
6. Puma calls EG, says "Yo, I talked to my coach, it was good, he understands."
7. EG and Puma start negotiations.
8. Coach feels hurt and disrespected, makes it public.
9. Forums blow up vilifying EG for "poaching."
10. Coach speaks out again, still feels disrespected by both EG and Puma.
11. EG speaks out, says that they felt correct as the player and them decided on how to approach this.
So here is my problem: I think EG is right both legally and socially. I also think that if Puma said that he wanted to talk to his coach himself and EG went around his back to talk to his coach, it could have pissed off the player, he could have been like "Screw you, I will go to a different team since you disrespected me." and both TSL and EG lose and the forums are still vilifying EG for treating a Korean badly. I think that unless everyone, Puma, TSL, and EG all came together in a room and were 100% happy, then EG was going to be the bad guy no matter what when it sounds like they did nothing wrong at all. You all really should take "damage control" statements on a medium with friendly bias with a grain of salt. Puma is 19, EG should have far more experience with this stuff, they should know that the proper way to go about this thing is to contact management, not approach 19 year olds when they are for the first time away from home. Question is, did they care? Even if what they said was all true, EG should always be aware of the PR implications, after all it is the PR that can bring or push away sponsors and fans for the team. In this example I cannot see how EG benefited from all this, unless they are after publicity no mater if it is positive or negative.
They benefited because they got a great player and did not see anything wrong. They did this the same way anyone else in any other business would have done, excepting those with regulations against this. The PR implications are that they respected the player's wishes as he should know best how to approach his team and coach.
I think the problem is that people are choosing to attack and distrust EG no matter what they say, whether they were right or wrong. If Alex came out tonight and said "Yeah, screw it, we poached him, screw TSL" then I feel like people would have believed him and not questioned at all. It is a double standard and it seems to me that no one wants to step back and think that EG did things as they felt were right, apologized for any disrespect to the coach, but they were respecting the wishes of the player.
To respond, I think they did care. The approached an adult with an offer and respected his opinion. EG thought, from a PR side, that people would be happy to have an awesome plater on their team.
Yeah, it may be a damage control statement, but that does not make it untrue at all.
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Really, I don't think there is anything EG could have done to make Coach Lee happy about this one. When he's saying stuff like "there needs to be a system in place to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players," I think his true sentiment is coming out; he thinks Puma was his, and EG stole his star player.
I work in a lab in the US with a married Korean couple that came here after finishing school in their home country. We've had a really hard time getting them to accept the fact that they are allowed to have an opinion contrary to what the boss or group thinks, and act on their own wishes. I think the person who needs the attention and support right now isn't Coach Lee, but Puma. He's basically "Stepping out of line" in his culture in order to do what he wants to do, and I respect that.
Puma hwaitinggg!
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On July 22 2011 07:13 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 07:12 sCfO20 wrote:
Oh sweet jesus this is epic. Now they have an epic terran, epic protoss, and epic zerg.
and an epic TASTELESS!!!! Didn't Tasteless leave EG forever ago? And who is their epic toss? Axslav?
????? INCONTROL???
with proper practice (he quit NASL just to do so) he could be a fuckin tyrant. Your teams only as good as its weakest member, but damn, they all look pretty good.
P.S.
This post needs less negative nancies. Serously, money money money. Everybody's gotta make some. If you're a fuckin baller as big as Puma I wouldn't settle for less.
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duh don't see how what EG did was wrong.
Look at it from the players side. A player of Pumas caliber had no contract and didn't get a salary. Basically they were only willing to pay him a salary if there was a threat of him moving away due to an offer from another team. How ridiculous is that?
If you want/need a player on your team you should give him a fair contract. EG imho had every right both legally and morally to contract a player who was basically being exploited.
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