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DrNK.Zeal
Korea (South)77 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:20 Taug wrote: It's all about money these days, ppl have no self-dignity. Meh, I personally probably would have accepted it too. But I would have tried to set up some kind of contract or something that would cause EG to buy me from TSL. I would feel like TSL deserves something in return or in lieu of my presence. Shrug. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote: Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head. The insults and overall attitude are pretty uncalled for and it's already been explained why he's not a reporter and why he isn't to be held to the same journalistic standards. If you want to fault anyone, fault whoever originally released the information (and no it wasn't Milkis). Milkis just translated an article and linked us to the source he translated. He never represented anything else in the OP apart from the article that he posted. The response by Coach Lee was a later addition when it was released and I'm sure when EG provides a written response, the OP will be edited to include that as well. The problem right now is the fact that there is in fact no written response from EG and therefore no "Other side of the story." to tell despite the fact that EG is clearly aware of the situation. Instead of ranting on Weapon of Choice, they should have just had someone from their staff write a response either on this thread, the source thread, or their website so it could be quoted. It isn't Milkis' job to go fact checking while translating an article nor is it his responsibility to run any form of damage control on EG's behalf either by sitting on already public information or speaking on their behalf. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:18 Plexa wrote: I'm not going to touch it because I have no idea whats going on. 0_o Shoudnt the thread just be locked and hidden until its all sorted? | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote: Betrayed? How is it betrayal? Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it. What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved. There is more to this than that. It all depends on the context on how you acquire the person. For example: One of the founders (lets call him Bill) of the company I work for went to another company to make a business proposal. He made a demonstration of a new and innovative concept. One of the attendants and employees of this company was very intrigued by this concept, and even said stated that he wouldn't say no if was offered a job in our company. I asked "Bill" why we did not hire this guy? He said it was tempting, but it is bad business practice to steal employees of other companies, especially if you want to keep a good relationship with them. So, according to TSL, what EG did is bad business practice. When the other TSL (Rain, FruitDealer, Trickster) players left TSL, we did not have this uproar. Why? Probably something to do with adhering to the Korean business practice. It is up to EG if they should ignore it or not, but they should not be surprised when they get a backlash because of their ignorance. | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:16 WizShaw wrote: Ok how do I report this guy? Milkies thank you for doing what you do. Don't let any of those haters bring you down. There are lots of ppl who appreciate what you do. Edit: Nevermind he got banned. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:21 Jetsfan wrote: LOL, maybe TSL should have spoken with him about a transfer fee haha, and EG could have had Jim Balsillie represent them in the negotiations!! | ||
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h3nG
46 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:22 MK4512 wrote: What. The. Fuck. Homophobia, offtopic, random as fuck... seriously, wtf is this sentence. When you can't win an argument, insult the person. Try it, it helps. LOL. | ||
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DrNK.Zeal
Korea (South)77 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:21 TheButtonmen wrote: People like making a living and having some kind of solidified deal with their employers, start working, start paying bills and then come back and preach about company loyalty. Some people are also willing to give up these things for loyalty. The fact that it doesn't meet eye-to-eye with your views does not make it wrong. | ||
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Taug
United States146 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:21 TheButtonmen wrote: People like making a living and having some kind of solidified deal with their employers, start working, start paying bills and then come back and preach about company loyalty. If you didnt read, they provided him with everything he needed, all he has to do is win a few games and he gets paid. They also stated that they don't take any of the players money. Also, the kid is 19 yrs old (21 korean age) and plays games for a living. You're surely talking about a 9-5 job you probably hate. We all wanna do that.... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:22 LegendaryZ wrote: The insults and overall attitude are pretty uncalled for and it's already been explained why he's not a reporter and why he isn't to be held to the same journalistic standards. If you want to fault anyone, fault whoever originally released the information (and no it wasn't Milkis). Milkis just translated an article and linked us to the source he translated. He never represented anything else in the OP apart from the article that he posted. The response by Coach Lee was a later addition when it was released and I'm sure when EG provides a written response, the OP will be edited to include that as well. The problem right now is the fact that there is in fact no written response from EG and therefore no "Other side of the story." to tell despite the fact that EG is clearly aware of the situation. Instead of ranting on Weapon of Choice, they should have just had someone from their staff write a response either on this thread, the source thread, or their website so it could be quoted. It isn't Milkis' job to go fact checking while translating an article nor is it his responsibility to run any form of damage control on EG's behalf either by sitting on already public information or speaking on their behalf. From EG's standpoint. There is a logical reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:25 StarStruck wrote: From EG's standpoint. There is a logic reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ErXIG.png) During Weapon of Choice, Alex made it sound like he wished milkis tried to get a statement from EG... | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:25 Taug wrote: If you didnt read, they provided him with everything he needed, all he has to do is win a few games and he gets paid. They also stated that they don't take any of the players money. Also, the kid is 19 yrs old (21 korean age) and plays games for a living. You're surely talking about a 9-5 job you probably hate. We all wanna do that.... Obviously they didn't because it looks like he's agreeing to go with another team. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:25 StarStruck wrote: From EG's standpoint. There is a logical reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment. Given the damage to their image that resulted from their lack of a response, there's really no logical reason to NOT provide some sort of comment. If Puma hasn't signed on the dotted line, they could have simply informed the community that there were in fact negotiations taking place, but nothing finalized as of yet and clarified the misinformation. Instead, they chose to stay silent and let speculation and negative accusations run unchecked. How is there anything logical about that? | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:04 Taf the Ghost wrote: No they don't. In pro sports, you inquire with the agent first before inquiring with the team management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up | ||
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Daniri
387 Posts
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Keeler
United States313 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:26 Mohdoo wrote: Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement.During Weapon of Choice, Alex made it sound like he wished milkis tried to get a statement from EG... | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
It's why everyone uses intermediaries, at least in pro sports. You don't push to trade for a player that isn't willing to join your team (unless it's the NBA and it's a contract dump!). | ||
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:29 StarStruck wrote: That is true; however, you cannot issue a press release until the said deal is done. Your statement is true, but what more annoys me is that they refuse to issue a response and then accuse Milkis of being a poor journalist (which, as seen in the thread, I dispute that Milkis is a journalist, but that's a different debate) for not approaching them for a statement. As Alex was so fond of saying, they can't have it both ways. They can't remain silent while a news story is breaking while expecting for the cycle to wait for them to release a statement. Milkis even went above and beyond by trying to get a hold of a firm statement from sir scoots and got nothing. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:45 zwert wrote: EG is dead to me. I like Idra's Insight and Gameplay when it gets to a late game and will still watch and support, but i can only shake my head when thinking about this Company. I don't think there were any vicious thoughts by approaching Puma. The Problem is that they were doing it the American way. This won't work in most Asian Countrys and far-east Europe. You have to show respect (what they think respect is) and follow their customs. When Milkis said EG should write an apology and Alex was against it it showed the whole Weapon of Choice was for nothing. This has nothing to do with being wrong, it's an etiquette. But fine walk around with your cowboy boots and guns and do it your way. The sad part is they don't need Korea, like djWHEAT said esports is big enough in the west. (for now) Also for the Journalism thing. Where exactly do you live? There is no nonbiased jornalism even in the biggest Media ...especially there. And i don't think he should be obligated to get in contact to both sides. Like he said, TSL responded while some in EG rather said "no comment" No offence man, but I dont think EG should apologise to TSL either. If what they said on Weapon of Choice is true, that Puma himself told them that he should be the one to talk to coach Lee not them, then they were completely right to follow his lead on it. People keep going on about being culturally sensitive, well maybe Puma should have been a little more helpful in this respect. Im not blaming the guy because he doesnt deserve it, but if you as a team (EG) specifically ask a Korean what to do about the player's (Puma's) managment (TSL) and he tells you that he should be doing the contacting then you might just believe him and that he is maybe in line with his own bloody culture! TSL has no place expecting an apology from EG. | ||
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