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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
Again, he isn't a reporter by definition.
It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here.
He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it.
Get that through your thick head.
With that said, there is nothing stopping EG from making an official statement. Nothing.
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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
He's only a translator. TL translators have broken and translated many news stories in the past without being able to or checking with both sides (for instance, the BW matchfix scandal was mostly done through translation and rekrul's sources. Also the kespa free agency incidents were done through translation and not independent journalism), as well as many other incidents. They act solely as translators. They may be responsible for translating and updating the OP when new official news comes out, but they have never been responsible for doing independent journalism.
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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
Auctally if milkis didn't post it. I'm sure someone else would and it would have not been done with the same respect to it.
Auctally very shortly milkis asked scoots for a statement. but he said later. it owuld have gotten out before. and a much angrier reaction would have occured.
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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
It's not common sense because he didn't write/publish/report the original article. He's translating and posting a link to a reputable Korean news source. It's not his problem if EG isn't in contact with TSL, the public in general or PlayXP. It's not like he's reporting this on his own and not listing his sources. Would you be mad at me for pasting something from IGN into the GD forum if IGN had reported something erroneous or inflammatory? Try that for common sense.
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On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.
You mean every professional sport?
they didn't pay him. They didn't make him the player he his. They gave him the TOOLS to do so, but he made himself a great player.
If they can't pay him what he's worth someone apparently will, I don't understand why thats an issue.
"betraying his team" is a tough statement to make when he was making 0 salary,i dont understand how taking a salary over no salary is such an issue, if i offerd u 0$ a week or 500$ a week, why would you take the 0?
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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:
I don't think you're getting my point.
Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
This wasn't a news thread. It became one, but originally it was just a translation of news that appeared on another site, meaning it was already made public by someone else. Milkis just made us aware of it. I don't get how this is somehow different from the numerous other translation threads both factual and speculative that have been posted on TL.net throughout the years...
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On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.
Just because you can have a voice on the internet doesn't make it a right one. If and when you do get your first job(i'm making an assumption that you've never had a job before) then try and keep that mentality.
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On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head.
Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you.
IF I'M A BRICKLAYER
BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT
I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER.
Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too.
Get that through your thick head.
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If my wife wanted to leave me for another man, does she have to speak to my parents about it first to see if it's ok?? And if they do deem it to be OK would they then be entitled to a portion of the divorce settlement?
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On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head. Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head.
It's more like if he's the official translator for the UN, he's not an ambassador, he's still the translator.
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On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head. Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head.
Milkis asked eg for comment. he got a no comment. So is he not supposed to post a story because one side doesnt wanna comment? we'd never have any news anywhere.
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On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head. Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head.
Is this real life??
Reporters and journalists are PRIMARY sources of information. Milk did none of the interviewing/gathering of the original information. The reporter and journalist who covered this bit of news works for PlayXP. ANYBODY could have translated that and pasted it here in GD. Are we all reporters, then?
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On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT. Betrayed? How is it betrayal? Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it. What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.
On the other hand
Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.
Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?
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On July 22 2011 12:12 Plexa wrote:
Chill out guys =/
why can't anyone edit the OP. ^^
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On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense.
Even if you want to look at Milkis like a journalist, which he's not, you STILL can't blame him for bringing us the news he had.
Look at the issue from this perspective for a second. When news breaks out, reporters will report anything they have at the moment just to get it out there, adding updates to the article as further information comes in. Milkis translated news articles and filled us in. Milkis along with many other people in the community THEN reached out to EG for their perspective and got stonewalled with Scoots refusing to comment or making a mockery of it. TL later reached out to Coach Lee for his perspective and after receiving it, gladly edited it in.
How in the fuck can you blame Milkis for that? EG was approached and refused to comment until the show, and then started bashing Milkis for not asking for their perspective? He did, just not before giving us the translated bits he had, which I'd like to point out is completely standard for any legit news article.
For reference since you wanted proof: http://twitter.com/#!/OrangeMilkis/status/93956837665288192
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On July 22 2011 12:13 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head. Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head. Milkis asked eg for comment. he got a no comment. So is he not supposed to post a story because one side doesnt wanna comment? we'd never have any news anywhere.
I also asked EG for comment via twitter. The only people who got replies from EG were the flamers, and they got condescending, equally immature replies. Funny how EG chose to reply to those people and not someone like me, who politely asked when they planned to elaborate on the Puma situation. Says a lot about EG as an organization.
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On July 22 2011 12:12 OrderlyChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:10 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:05 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote:On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote:
No he isn't lmao.
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. Again, he isn't a reporter by definition. It's like I'm talking to a frigging wall here. He's a translator. He isn't a journalist. Okay? Same page? He has no obligation to you or anyone else for that matter. He is a volunteer. He doesn't get paid. When he finds something from a credible source he will translate it. Get that through your thick head. Okay thick headed asshole, since now you've decided to be insulting, let me lay it out for you. IF I'M A BRICKLAYER BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER. Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too. Get that through your thick head. It's more like if he's the official translator for the UN, he's not an ambassador, he's still the translator.
Hmmm i'm kind of on the fence about the whole milkis thing. He did seem to do some investigating to try and get the story, something a journalist would do. Then again he is just a community like myself, or anyone else that posts on here.
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On July 22 2011 12:10 masterbreti wrote:
Actually if milkis didn't post it. I'm sure someone else would and it would have not been done with the same respect to it.
Precisely.
There should be no double standard.
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What were people expecting to hear from EG even if they did reply? Apparently a deal wasn't done, what is their to say?
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