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WizShaw
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 03:17:11
July 22 2011 03:16 GMT
#6261
Is it me is or milkis gay? I dont care, but its been my experience that gay dudes seem to produce biased editorials and arguments.

User was temp banned for this post.
Never Rub Another mans Rhubarb
kardinal
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden154 Posts
July 22 2011 03:17 GMT
#6262
On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:
IF I'M A BRICKLAYER
BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT
I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER.

Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too.

Get that through your thick head.


If I'm a tool.
But I listen to friends and give them relationship advice
I don't have a professional oath of confidentiality to my friends and I can spread their emotional problems to everyone

Milkis translates.
AG thinks that makes him a journalist.
It does not.


The end.


Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
July 22 2011 03:17 GMT
#6263
On July 22 2011 12:13 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.

Betrayed? How is it betrayal?

Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it.

What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.


On the other hand

Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.

Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?


If there is no legally binding contract between Person X and Person Y why should Person X feel obligated to hold back his own career from developing further just because Person Y did him a favor in the past?
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 03:17 GMT
#6264
On July 22 2011 12:13 SMD wrote:
Milkis asked eg for comment. he got a no comment. So is he not supposed to post a story because one side doesnt wanna comment? we'd never have any news anywhere.


Meh, he also went on WoC and provided defense/slant for the reason Koreans were hurt/insulted. Milki's was not just an innocent bystander providing nothing but translation. He was pretty involved in this entire debate. It's news, it made the front page and pulled him into a position beyond 'just a translator'.

I hope he continues to translate PlayXP. But I do think he was far more involved in this debate as some culture expert then he should have been.
Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
July 22 2011 03:17 GMT
#6265
On July 22 2011 12:13 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.

Betrayed? How is it betrayal?

Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it.

What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.


On the other hand

Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.

Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?


you are my hero because you understand and you are highly intelligent. I was waiting for someone to explain. thanks
The Golden Rule
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
July 22 2011 03:18 GMT
#6266
On July 22 2011 11:02 Primadog wrote:
This thread is featured on the frontpage of TeamLiquid, thus we as a community naturally assumed that it's factual. Many whom that did not watch WoC today will continue to assume all on it is factual, at least not proven to be incorrect.

There are elements in this thread topic that is proven in correct, such as Puma has signed a contract with EG or that Puma received an unspecific sum from EG. These needed to be corrected.


well that's your own assumption isn't it? myself and much of the community definitely doesn't think this way.

Milkis merely translated something from a credible source and gave it us. Thank you Milkis for all your hard work around the community.
DrNK.Zeal
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)77 Posts
July 22 2011 03:18 GMT
#6267
On July 22 2011 12:17 Tektos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:13 MonkSEA wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.

Betrayed? How is it betrayal?

Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it.

What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.


On the other hand

Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.

Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?


If there is no legally binding contract between Person X and Person Y why should Person X feel obligated to hold back his own career from developing further just because Person Y did him a favor in the past?


It's a concept known as loyalty. TSL benefits from puma being a part of their team.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 22 2011 03:18 GMT
#6268
On July 22 2011 12:14 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:12 Plexa wrote:
Chill out guys =/


why can't anyone edit the OP. ^^

I'm not going to touch it because I have no idea whats going on.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 03:18 GMT
#6269
On July 22 2011 12:16 Jetsfan wrote:
What were people expecting to hear from EG even if they did reply? Apparently a deal wasn't done, what is their to say?


It's like talking to Bettman. =)
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
July 22 2011 03:20 GMT
#6270
Stuff like this is going to push the Korean SC2 scene towards a new KESPA type system. This is definitely not good for the foreign scene, yet people continue to be so short-sighted and selfish.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
DrNK.Zeal
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)77 Posts
July 22 2011 03:20 GMT
#6271
On July 22 2011 12:17 VillageBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:13 SMD wrote:
Milkis asked eg for comment. he got a no comment. So is he not supposed to post a story because one side doesnt wanna comment? we'd never have any news anywhere.


Meh, he also went on WoC and provided defense/slant for the reason Koreans were hurt/insulted. Milki's was not just an innocent bystander providing nothing but translation. He was pretty involved in this entire debate. It's news, it made the front page and pulled him into a position beyond 'just a translator'.

I hope he continues to translate PlayXP. But I do think he was far more involved in this debate as some culture expert then he should have been.


The fact that it has become a big deal, doesn't make the OP any more than the messenger.
Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
July 22 2011 03:20 GMT
#6272
On July 22 2011 12:18 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:17 Tektos wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:13 MonkSEA wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.

Betrayed? How is it betrayal?

Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it.

What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.


On the other hand

Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.

Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?


If there is no legally binding contract between Person X and Person Y why should Person X feel obligated to hold back his own career from developing further just because Person Y did him a favor in the past?


It's a concept known as loyalty. TSL benefits from puma being a part of their team.


It's all about money these days, ppl have no self-dignity.
The Golden Rule
Pulzlulz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany412 Posts
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6273
Wtf, it seems some people are REALLY into SC2....
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 03:21:34
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6274
"EG claims that Puma approached them first regarding joining their team, but this is not true. As I know it, EG's owner contacted Puma first. Not only Puma, but other Korean players."

EG trying to bury the bodies. LOL big corporation shit.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6275
On July 22 2011 12:20 DrNK.Zeal wrote:

The fact that it has become a big deal, doesn't make the OP any more than the messenger.


I agree. I think the OP made himself more then just a messenger, with a whole bunch of help from us. =)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 03:22:29
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6276
On July 22 2011 12:18 LastDance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 11:02 Primadog wrote:
This thread is featured on the frontpage of TeamLiquid, thus we as a community naturally assumed that it's factual. Many whom that did not watch WoC today will continue to assume all on it is factual, at least not proven to be incorrect.

There are elements in this thread topic that is proven in correct, such as Puma has signed a contract with EG or that Puma received an unspecific sum from EG. These needed to be corrected.


well that's your own assumption isn't it? myself and much of the community definitely doesn't think this way.

Milkis merely translated something from a credible source and gave it us. Thank you Milkis for all your hard work around the community.


Indeed. I really think some people ought to think more before they post sometimes. :/

I'm not calling out Prima. I'm actually thinking about the young Canuck who presumably thinks Milkes is gay because he is under the belief that gay people write biased articles. What has the world come to? ._.

Where is the logic?
Jetsfan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada26 Posts
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6277
On July 22 2011 12:18 VillageBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:16 Jetsfan wrote:
What were people expecting to hear from EG even if they did reply? Apparently a deal wasn't done, what is their to say?


It's like talking to Bettman. =)



LOL, maybe TSL should have spoken with him about a transfer fee
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6278
On July 22 2011 12:16 WizShaw wrote:
Is it me is or milkis gay? I dont care, but its been my experience that gay dudes seem to produce biased editorials and arguments.

Haha, what the fuck?

What is happening to us? We never used to be like this!
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
July 22 2011 03:21 GMT
#6279
On July 22 2011 12:20 Taug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:18 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:17 Tektos wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:13 MonkSEA wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:07 tkRage wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote:
If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT.

Betrayed? How is it betrayal?

Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it.

What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved.


On the other hand

Person X was a nobody. Person X was approached by Person Y because Person X had some potential. Person Y extracted the potential out of Person X with his own money and time, and then once Person X has control of his potential, he goes to Person Z because they offered him more money to be on their team.

Understand how it could be seen as betrayal?


If there is no legally binding contract between Person X and Person Y why should Person X feel obligated to hold back his own career from developing further just because Person Y did him a favor in the past?


It's a concept known as loyalty. TSL benefits from puma being a part of their team.


It's all about money these days, ppl have no self-dignity.


People like making a living and having some kind of solidified deal with their employers, start working, start paying bills and then come back and preach about company loyalty.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
July 22 2011 03:22 GMT
#6280
On July 22 2011 12:16 WizShaw wrote:
Is it me is or milkis gay? I dont care, but its been my experience that gay dudes seem to produce biased editorials and arguments.


What. The. Fuck.

Homophobia, offtopic, random as fuck... seriously, wtf is this sentence.
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
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