EPTThe guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious.
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. | ||
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tkRage
225 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:01 StarStruck wrote: No he isn't lmao. The guy even said he approached Sir Scoots. My God, some of you people don't even have all your facts straight. Hilarious. Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:58 tkRage wrote: I can't understand this, really. Milkis is not ONLY a translator if he's pulling together information on a topic from different sources to post a thread on Team Liquid. He's a reporter then. He's bringing us information, and in this case, he's bringing it selectively because he posts Coach Lee's response but doesn't even approach EG for anything to put into the report on the matter. How is he getting this blind rabid support? EG did nothing wrong. NOTHING. Puma was NOT A CONTRACT PLAYER. TSL has obviously been failing to provide for its players as evidenced by the exodus of players from its team. What has EG done in seeking a player for their team? Cut the bullshit, he approached the person he knows from EG, they responded with nothing. What you think he should call their head quarters at 3am or something? | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:57 StarStruck wrote: Did you not see my post a few above yours? ._. Selective reading 101. More like you posted as I was making my post so I didn't see it before I posted. Occam's Razor, I'm not selectively ignoring your stuff trying to provoke you. | ||
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tkRage
225 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:02 Mioraka wrote: Cut the bullshit, he approached the person he knows from EG, they responded with nothing. What you think he should call their head quarters at 3am or something? How about not posting an inflammatory one sided report before receiving some information from one of the parties involved? This is common sense, responsible reporting. | ||
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Miena
United States24 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:02 tkRage wrote: Yeah, because the rest of us that watched the show, heard all the facts, we're all wrong because some trivial TL user says 'no.' Really, man, your posting has been garbage in this thread, can you provide any facts to your negative opinions? It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:03 tkRage wrote: How about not posting an inflammatory one sided report before receiving some information from one of the parties involved? This is common sense, responsible reporting. The issue here is that one side sees this as reporting and the other one sees it as a simple translation, other then agreeing to disagree I don't think either side is going to convince the other of anything. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:36 vict1019 wrote: It's not about the legality, it's about the ethics. In ANY sport, teams talk to teams first for permission to speak to players. No they don't. In pro sports, you inquire with the agent first before inquiring with the team management. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:58 tkRage wrote: I can't understand this, really. Milkis is not ONLY a translator if he's pulling together information on a topic from different sources to post a thread on Team Liquid. He's a reporter then. He's bringing us information, and in this case, he's bringing it selectively because he posts Coach Lee's response but doesn't even approach EG for anything to put into the report on the matter. How is he getting this blind rabid support? EG did nothing wrong. NOTHING. Puma was NOT A CONTRACT PLAYER. TSL has obviously been failing to provide for its players as evidenced by the exodus of players from its team. What has EG done in seeking a player for their team? I disagree with calling him a reporter. The "reporter" would be whoever first released this information. Milkis simply translated already public information for non-Koreans so they could be informed about what was going on. This is pretty regular and the way translations have come onto TL.net for quite a while. This thread wasn't originally front page news. It was just a translation thread that turned into a shit storm real fast and probably became front page news just because of all of the attention it was getting. He's not bringing anything in selectively. The fact is that Coach Lee actually provided a response whereas EG has yet to release any official written statement regarding the situation. When they do release any form of an official written statement, I'm sure the OP will probably be edited to reflect that either by Milkis or by a moderator. | ||
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tkRage
225 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:04 StarStruck wrote: It's been posted in this thread several times. I wouldn't want to read 300+ pages, but it's been said many times. If you are unsure, ask and I'm sure someone will inform you. Better yet you could always PM the source. Ugh. I don't think you're getting my point. Until something is said by EG, if Milkis posts a news story that's clearly inflammatory and with only one side giving their statement, it's poorly done. He's a reporter. He reported this story. He's a translator and a journalist. It's his responsibility to not post one side of the story in an inflammatory subject like this! Come on, how is this not common sense. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
Protection of rights for the gamers and teams Furthermore, I wonder if AG even knew about this association before approaching Puma | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Taug
United States146 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Responsible reporting? You cannot be serious. There's a reason why organizations let alone celebrities have publicists/public relations. Once again, Milkes did nothing wrong. | ||
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tkRage
225 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote: If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT. Betrayed? How is it betrayal? Person X has a job. Person Y offers a much superior job. Person X takes it. What's odd about this? This is a job, there's money and benefits involved. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
My view - He didn't have a contract, he had no obligation to TSL in any way. EG made him an offer, he accepted and now his old coach is getting butthurt over losing their best player because he accepted a better offer. If you're going to invest time and money into a player, make them sign a contract so they don't up and leave after becoming good. Too bad so sad, think of it as a wake up call and get all your existing players to sign contracts so it doesn't happen again. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote: If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT. ....I used to work for another company but when I got a better offer I gave them my 2 weeks notice and switched. Am I a sell out, did I betray them? Fuck no, players aren't owned. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On July 22 2011 11:49 Fionn wrote: It's annoying that people act like the Korean progamers are slaves. People at first thought KESPA was terrible and the players were slaves for being in iron clad contracts. Now they're slaves because the system currently is based on loyalty and trust. This is a really good point. People need to understand Asian cultures better -- looking up Confucianism in Wikipedia is a good starting point. Individualism is heavily downplayed in Asian cultures. Loyalty, respect, and mutual care are extremely important. The relationship between a parent and child, and between a teacher and student, is much more important. You can argue all you want about contracts and such, but if you want to do business in East Asia, and don't understand the culture, you are going to have ZERO respect and ZERO business. | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:06 Taug wrote: If it's true that puma basically betrayed his team for money, then I have lost all respect for this kid. It's really sad to see when a team treats someone like family and they go and SELLOUT. That seems like a ridiculously, extreme take on the issue.... | ||
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