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On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by.
You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely. This doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination though. In other words, get off your high horse.
Back to with what the other guy said. This is in fact a community website where very few are paid. There are a lot of volunteers who have made this website possible. With that said, Milkes did nothing wrong. It's been said many times over. The guy translates what he sees. There is nothing more to it.
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On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by.
if you were a real writer you would of spelled ESPORTS correctly : )
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On July 22 2011 11:45 zwert wrote:
EG is dead to me. I like Idra's Insight and Gameplay when it gets to a late game and will still watch and support, but i can only shake my head when thinking about this Company.
I don't think there were any vicious thoughts by approaching Puma. The Problem is that they were doing it the American way. This won't work in most Asian Countrys and far-east Europe. You have to show respect (what they think respect is) and follow their customs.
When Milkis said EG should write an apology and Alex was against it it showed the whole Weapon of Choice was for nothing. This has nothing to do with being wrong, it's an etiquette.
But fine walk around with your cowboy boots and guns and do it your way. The sad part is they don't need Korea, like djWHEAT said esports is big enough in the west. (for now)
Also for the Journalism thing. Where exactly do you live? There is no nonbiased jornalism even in the biggest Media ...especially there. And i don't think he should be obligated to get in contact to both sides. Like he said, TSL responded while some in EG rather said "no comment"
milkis said something along the lines of "deep apology", inferring that AG should beg for forgiveness, of course he's not going to do that. he's gonna apologize normally that's that it because the only fault was that he allowed the player to talk to the coach first.
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On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely but it doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination. In other words, get off your high horse. Back to with what the other guy said. This is in fact a community website where very few are paid. There are a lot of volunteers who have made this website possible. With that said, Milkes did nothing wrong. It's been said many times over. The guy translates what he sees. There is nothing more to it.
Fail. Respect the Prima and do some checking before you post. Remember the 10 commandments.
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On July 22 2011 11:45 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:40 Jetsfan wrote:
Exactly. Puma was not a part of TSL, he was rendering his services in return for some meals and a place to stay. Without a written contract Puma was free to do whatever he felt was best for him 1 month in or 10. Well, I would say he was part of TSL. But in the same way any employee is employed by a company. Free to leave when a better opportunity presents itself. Jets Fan, Winnipeg Jets?
lol what? http://www.newyorkjets.com/
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On July 22 2011 11:30 Jetsfan wrote:
I keep seeing posts like "all the Korean teams are gonna be locking down their players now" etc etc. Who is to say that these players will want to sign these new contracts? Or be bound to any type of league. I am not familiar with the BW scene but from what I have heard it's basically a concentration camp.
Honestly, what does a SC2 Korean team have to offer? Some food? Shelter? One extremely difficult tournament to train for? The western scene is thriving. The Korean players are taking notice while their teams are not, relying on loyalty, verbal contracts.
Seems to me the Korean teams are doing whats best for the team, and not really looking out for their players.
So if you were a korean pro gamer, and had the option of joinng a foreign team, what would you decide.
Be a slave, or live like a rockstar??
There is only a few team houses. The Korean infrastructure is light years ahead of the rest of the world for Starcraft and professional gaming. Also it's not like EG or these teams can literally buy every top Korean. They said on Weapon of Choice that Korean teams would ask for a boat load of cash to take one of their top players.
Also most foreign teams don't have translators around 24/7 or players who actually speak Korean.
It's annoying that people act like the Korean progamers are slaves. People at first thought KESPA was terrible and the players were slaves for being in iron clad contracts. Now they're slaves because the system currently is based on loyalty and trust.
The Koreans are getting into the online tournaments. It's almost impossible to find an online tournament, a big one, that Koreans aren't entering.
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On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely but it doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination. In other words, get off your high horse. Back to with what the other guy said. This is in fact a community website where very few are paid. There are a lot of volunteers who have made this website possible. With that said, Milkes did nothing wrong. It's been said many times over. The guy translates what he sees. There is nothing more to it.
I was hired (as always, a volunteer) by WaxAngel about two months ago on the merit of my statistical analysis. My contributions so far is the barcraft piece, the TL interview everyone piece, and the esports prospectus piece.
That being said, I am sorry that I keep swinging that "title" around. It's completely inappropriate of me of using that as a weapon. I believe in TL deeply and it hurts me when its name gets tarnished by a mob-like mentality.
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On July 22 2011 11:49 felizuno wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:45 VillageBC wrote:On July 22 2011 11:40 Jetsfan wrote:
Exactly. Puma was not a part of TSL, he was rendering his services in return for some meals and a place to stay. Without a written contract Puma was free to do whatever he felt was best for him 1 month in or 10. Well, I would say he was part of TSL. But in the same way any employee is employed by a company. Free to leave when a better opportunity presents itself. Jets Fan, Winnipeg Jets? lol what? http://www.newyorkjets.com/
http://jets.nhl.com/ cause he's from canada.
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On July 22 2011 11:48 MCDayC wrote:
Fail. Respect the Prima and do some checking before you post. Remember the 10 commandments.
Please don't send me to jail. Monopoly isn't my strong suit. x-x
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Of course EG would want Puma, and I'm sure TSL would of released him...have the decency to talk to the whole team come on!
Still awesome for one of my favorite foreign teams.
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On July 22 2011 11:49 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely but it doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination. In other words, get off your high horse. Back to with what the other guy said. This is in fact a community website where very few are paid. There are a lot of volunteers who have made this website possible. With that said, Milkes did nothing wrong. It's been said many times over. The guy translates what he sees. There is nothing more to it. I was hired by WaxAngel about two months ago on the merit of my statistical analysis. My contributions so far is the barcraft piece, the TL interview everyone piece, and the esports prospectus piece. That being said, I am sorry that I keep swinging that "title" around. It's completely inappropriate of me of using that as a weapon.
In that case, you should know better than anyone else how this website works.
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On July 22 2011 11:45 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:40 Jetsfan wrote:
Exactly. Puma was not a part of TSL, he was rendering his services in return for some meals and a place to stay. Without a written contract Puma was free to do whatever he felt was best for him 1 month in or 10. Well, I would say he was part of TSL. But in the same way any employee is employed by a company. Free to leave when a better opportunity presents itself. Jets Fan, Winnipeg Jets?
Yes!!!
GO JETS GO!!!
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I'm happy for him he's making even more money now and I don't have to feel guilty rooting for him anymore.
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On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely. This doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination though. In other words, get off your high horse.
Uh, these threads here, here and here seem to prove you completely wrong?
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On July 22 2011 11:45 zwert wrote:
EG is dead to me. I like Idra's Insight and Gameplay when it gets to a late game and will still watch and support, but i can only shake my head when thinking about this Company.
I don't think there were any vicious thoughts by approaching Puma. The Problem is that they were doing it the American way. This won't work in most Asian Countrys and far-east Europe. You have to show respect (what they think respect is) and follow their customs.
When Milkis said EG should write an apology and Alex was against it it showed the whole Weapon of Choice was for nothing. This has nothing to do with being wrong, it's an etiquette.
But fine walk around with your cowboy boots and guns and do it your way. The sad part is they don't need Korea, like djWHEAT said esports is big enough in the west. (for now)
Also for the Journalism thing. Where exactly do you live? There is no nonbiased jornalism even in the biggest Media ...especially there. And i don't think he should be obligated to get in contact to both sides. Like he said, TSL responded while some in EG rather said "no comment"
I don't understand why western business culture should respect eastern business culture? Even if I don't buy this 'all is roses and daisies and there are no contracts bullshit' just look at kespa. Why shouldn't Korea (in this case) respect the way it's done in the foreign markets, or at the very least protect themselves from it. The latter of which is likely to happen after this probable signing.
If EG, TL, FXO, Dignitas, Fnatic etcetera all have the sponsors and funding to go in and acquire themselves MC, Nestea, Bomber, Losira, MMA, Boxer, Trickster, MKP, Polt, whoever. All of whom I doubt are not under contract with their teams. Then more power to them. Are there any actual pro sports where the best league doesn't have their ranks filled by the best players the world over?
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On July 22 2011 11:52 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:49 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely but it doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination. In other words, get off your high horse. Back to with what the other guy said. This is in fact a community website where very few are paid. There are a lot of volunteers who have made this website possible. With that said, Milkes did nothing wrong. It's been said many times over. The guy translates what he sees. There is nothing more to it. I was hired by WaxAngel about two months ago on the merit of my statistical analysis. My contributions so far is the barcraft piece, the TL interview everyone piece, and the esports prospectus piece. That being said, I am sorry that I keep swinging that "title" around. It's completely inappropriate of me of using that as a weapon. In that case, you should know better than anyone else how this website works.
I let a little forum insult got the better of me. Sorry, really! I promise to behave a better next time.
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On July 22 2011 11:52 Jetsfan wrote:
Yes!!!
GO JETS GO!!!
w00t! GO JETS! I'm a Canucks fan, but I like having another Canadian team to bandwagon jump to when my team fails. =)
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On July 22 2011 11:54 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 11:35 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 11:32 thanhbao86 wrote:
TL is a community site, not a service site, if you think they own you that they have to update information right when it is available. Please just get out of here because you don't deserve what has been brought to you. Considering that I am a junior TL writer, and you're not; or that I have contributed far more to TL and Esports than you; you're in no position to tell me to get out of TL. Please remember that, even at TL's current state, we still have the Ten Commandments to which the forum is moderated by. You aren't a writer. Just because you made 1k posts doesn't make you a writer. I have no idea about the contributions you made, but considering I've never heard of you before. I doubt it has substance. Just because I made 3k posts doesn't mean I'm a contributor to the scene. Knowledgeable, surely. This doesn't make me a key contributor by any stretch of the imagination though. In other words, get off your high horse. Uh, these threads here, here and here seem to prove you completely wrong?
Did you not see my post a few above yours? ._.
Selective reading 101.
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I can't understand this, really.
Milkis is not ONLY a translator if he's pulling together information on a topic from different sources to post a thread on Team Liquid. He's a reporter then. He's bringing us information, and in this case, he's bringing it selectively because he posts Coach Lee's response but doesn't even approach EG for anything to put into the report on the matter.
How is he getting this blind rabid support? EG did nothing wrong. NOTHING. Puma was NOT A CONTRACT PLAYER. TSL has obviously been failing to provide for its players as evidenced by the exodus of players from its team. What has EG done in seeking a player for their team?
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Please take personal insults and arguments to PMs. The thread is long enough as it is.
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