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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:29 StarStruck wrote: That is true; however, you cannot issue a press release until the said deal is done. While they cannot issue a press release about signing Puma, they could have issued a statement saying something along the lines of, "EG has not signed Puma yet, but have been in negotiations with him and hope he joins EG soon" | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Update: TSL Coach Lee Woon Jae explains his stance Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view: "It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts. Because of many similar occurances [to Puma's case], we plan to make contracts mandatory. Puma was with us for ten months, and where we provided him and his teammates with a good practice environment, food, etc, and developed him as a player. The team didn't take any of the prize money a player earned, all of it went to the player. Unfortunately, Puma wished to join EG so we released him. To acquire a player, contacting the original team regarding a transfer is a natural courtesy and the way things should be done. That is why I am very angry, and why it is huge topic in Korea right now. The Korean SC II association is preparing some measures, and I believe something similar won't happen again. EG claims that Puma approached them first regarding joining their team, but this is not true. As I know it, EG's owner contacted Puma first. Not only Puma, but other Korean players." Well understandable... Seriously is it any wonder nobody trusts InControl anymore? That guy has been with every shady project in the history of Starcraft II. EG lost a fan today. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:34 Keeler wrote: Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement. Maybe not, but scoots clearly saw it, so he can protest that milkis never gave them warning or ask for their comment. | ||
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DrNK.Zeal
Korea (South)77 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:34 Keeler wrote: Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement. He doesn't fucking work for CNN | ||
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
TL. Community. Based. Journalism. | ||
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GaLaBo
United States1 Post
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DrNK.Zeal
Korea (South)77 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:36 NightAngel wrote: A simple question, who found out about this by entire issue by chancing upon this post? Where do you go to get your starcraft related NEWS? TL. Community. Based. Journalism. This is a very strong point that absolutely has not been made before. | ||
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elbooN
United States255 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:35 Krehlmar wrote: On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: Update: TSL Coach Lee Woon Jae explains his stance Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view: Well understandable... Seriously is it any wonder nobody trusts InControl anymore? That guy has been with every shady project in the history of Starcraft II. EG lost a fan today. maybe i missed something, but what exactly does incontrol have to do with any of this other than being contracted by EG already?? | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:35 Krehlmar wrote: On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: Update: TSL Coach Lee Woon Jae explains his stance Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view: Well understandable... Seriously is it any wonder nobody trusts InControl anymore? That guy has been with every shady project in the history of Starcraft II. EG lost a fan today. Wait, what? InControl isn't even mentioned in any of this. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
ironically, the one thing Milkis said that AG and Wheat dont seems to get which all these boil down to, you don't get it  they dont get that there's a way of doing stuff in Korea which is different than US, luckily FXO and Fnatic DO get it though, props to them | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:20 Taug wrote: It's all about money these days, ppl have no self-dignity. If you were the lead sales person at a top 10 company, would you be happy if your employer paid you the same amount as they paid the cleaning lady and expected you to stay working for them just out of loyalty? Or would you move to another company that was willing to pay you what you're worth? To me it is an utter sign of lack of respect to yourself if you're working for less than you're worth (unless you're doing it for charity, but TSL isn't a charity so that doesn't count). If both teams were offering the SAME THING (same travel opportunities, same practice regimes, same pay, etc.) then YES changing teams would be a a bad move just based on the loyalty between PuMa and TSL but the fact is EG have probably given him an offer that is leaps and bounds ahead of what TSL offer. Telling someone they have no dignity because they aspire to advance their career in esports in my opinion is an extreme contradiction. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:35 Krehlmar wrote: On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: Update: TSL Coach Lee Woon Jae explains his stance Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view: Well understandable... Seriously is it any wonder nobody trusts InControl anymore? That guy has been with every shady project in the history of Starcraft II. EG lost a fan today. This right here is a pretty good example of why if you're going to make a thread like this you should at least update the OP as you get more information. Of course it's also a good example of just how much TL loves jumping to conclusions and making grandiose statements. | ||
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moonmeh
Korea (South)105 Posts
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PBG
40 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:35 Krehlmar wrote: On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: Update: TSL Coach Lee Woon Jae explains his stance Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view: Well understandable... Seriously is it any wonder nobody trusts InControl anymore? That guy has been with every shady project in the history of Starcraft II. EG lost a fan today. Alex Garfield earlier on weapon of choice openly admitted that they approached Puma first and not the other way around. I see no value of them lieing about that considering that they released no official statement other than what Alex said on weapon of choice. And what does incontrol have to do with anything? He's just a player for their team and probably was in no shape or form involved so why bring him up? | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:40 moonmeh wrote: Jesus fucking christ. Can some one update the OP already? The amount of people bringing in our dated info to start a fight is getting sickening. Milkis it's been a while please update I'm pretty exhausted right now so yeah i'm sorry updated. let me know if there's anything else you guys think is important to update, but i think those two are the main points. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:38 sandyph wrote: *snip* they dont get that there's a way of doing stuff in Korea which is different than US, luckily FXO and Fnatic DO get it though, props to them Korea doesn't get it that the world is a competitive place. Luckily, there's EG and other teams willing to pay a player his worth to enlighten them. | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:40 moonmeh wrote: Jesus fucking christ. Can some one update the OP already? The amount of people bringing in our dated info to start a fight is getting sickening. Milkis it's been a while please update WTF do you want it updated with anyway? | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:35 BigLighthouse wrote: No offence man, but I dont think EG should apologise to TSL either. If what they said on Weapon of Choice is true, that Puma himself told them that he should be the one to talk to coach Lee not them, then they were completely right to follow his lead on it. People keep going on about being culturally sensitive, well maybe Puma should have been a little more helpful in this respect. Im not blaming the guy because he doesnt deserve it, but if you as a team (EG) specifically ask a Korean what to do about the player's (Puma's) managment (TSL) and he tells you that he should be doing the contacting then you might just believe him and that he is maybe in line with his own bloody culture! TSL has no place expecting an apology from EG. Your entire scenario STILL comes after they approached him, which is the crux of the problem. TSL has every right to expect an apology. I never liked EG much anyway, but now I just straight up dislike them. Alex ran in circles trying to defend himself. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts. Because of many similar occurances [to Puma's case], we plan to make contracts mandatory. Puma was with us for ten months, and where we provided him and his teammates with a good practice environment, food, etc, and developed him as a player. The team didn't take any of the prize money a player earned, all of it went to the player. Unfortunately, Puma wished to join EG so we released him. To acquire a player, contacting the original team regarding a transfer is a natural courtesy and the way things should be done. That is why I am very angry, and why it is huge topic in Korea right now. The Korean SC II association is preparing some measures, and I believe something similar won't happen again. EG claims that Puma approached them first regarding joining their team, but this is not true. As I know it, EG's owner contacted Puma first. Not only Puma, but other Korean players." This was expected. You see a loophole. You close it. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:39 TheButtonmen wrote: This right here is a pretty good example of why if you're going to make a thread like this you should at least update the OP as you get more information. Of course it's also a good example of just how much TL loves jumping to conclusions and making grandiose statements. One of these days, our little witch hunts will turn out to be an eSports Di Vinci Code. Tom Hanks: "Hot_Bid...you are the direct decendent....of Jesus Christ" | ||
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