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Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
July 22 2011 03:44 GMT
#6321
Why is this such a complicated issue? Make it simple.

Mr. Lee vs Sir Scoots MMA match

winner gets Puma
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
July 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#6322
On July 22 2011 12:41 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:40 moonmeh wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. Can some one update the OP already? The amount of people bringing in our dated info to start a fight is getting sickening. Milkis it's been a while please update


I'm pretty exhausted right now so yeah i'm sorry

updated. let me know if there's anything else you guys think is important to update, but i think those two are the main points.


Thanks Milkis -- appreciate you taking your time to translate stuff for us <3

Current drama aside, I'm curious how this will turn out -- will it be good for Puma in the long run? Will it effect the pro structure in Korea? Will be interesting.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#6323
On July 22 2011 12:34 Keeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:26 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:25 StarStruck wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:22 LegendaryZ wrote:

The insults and overall attitude are pretty uncalled for and it's already been explained why he's not a reporter and why he isn't to be held to the same journalistic standards. If you want to fault anyone, fault whoever originally released the information (and no it wasn't Milkis). Milkis just translated an article and linked us to the source he translated. He never represented anything else in the OP apart from the article that he posted. The response by Coach Lee was a later addition when it was released and I'm sure when EG provides a written response, the OP will be edited to include that as well.

The problem right now is the fact that there is in fact no written response from EG and therefore no "Other side of the story." to tell despite the fact that EG is clearly aware of the situation. Instead of ranting on Weapon of Choice, they should have just had someone from their staff write a response either on this thread, the source thread, or their website so it could be quoted. It isn't Milkis' job to go fact checking while translating an article nor is it his responsibility to run any form of damage control on EG's behalf either by sitting on already public information or speaking on their behalf.


From EG's standpoint. There is a logic reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment.

[image loading]

During Weapon of Choice, Alex made it sound like he wished milkis tried to get a statement from EG...
Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement.


You don't think what milkis wrote implied that he was wanting information from EG regarding the situation? Milkis said he was on the edge of his seat, which means he really, really wants to hear something. Give me a break man, you're grasping at straws. It changes nothing about the fact that Alex KNEW about that Tweet and that he chose to lie to all of us hoping we'd be none the wiser. I can't believe that you guys are defending someone who was willing to lie to you. He tried to make you think milkis didn't contact EG. He knew he did. That is just so dishonest and underhanded...
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 22 2011 03:48 GMT
#6324
On July 22 2011 12:41 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:40 moonmeh wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. Can some one update the OP already? The amount of people bringing in our dated info to start a fight is getting sickening. Milkis it's been a while please update


I'm pretty exhausted right now so yeah i'm sorry

updated. let me know if there's anything else you guys think is important to update, but i think those two are the main points.



Thanks Milkis.

I am really sorry if you feel attacked in anyway. I have great respect for the amount of work you done for the community, and is fully aware of how unappreciating we all can be.
Thank God and gunrun.
NightAngel
Profile Joined June 2010
United States144 Posts
July 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#6325
On July 22 2011 12:37 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:36 NightAngel wrote:
A simple question, who found out about this by entire issue by chancing upon this post? Where do you go to get your starcraft related NEWS?

TL. Community. Based. Journalism.


This is a very strong point that absolutely has not been made before.


I think it may also be important to look at this proposed question by EG.Alex as a opportunity to enhance the quality of our community based journalism. Instead of reacting defensively, we could try to improve ourselves as a community.
[QUOTE][B]On August 05 2011 05:06 Beerdrinker wrote:[/B] TSL needs to be more sensitive about doing business in korea, they need to be respectful of the culture, their contracts and verbal obligations[/QUOTE]
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
July 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#6326
Puma sign the papers noai!!!!!!!!!!!!!! take the deal!!!!!!!!!!
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
July 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#6327
On July 22 2011 12:42 StarStruck wrote:
... and now Geoff the incontrol freak Robinson comes into the equation. Seriously guys? Do we really have to take it that far?
Show nested quote +

Coach Lee Woon Jae of TSL talked with TeamLiquid, trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings while explaining the situation from his point of view:


"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts. Because of many similar occurances [to Puma's case], we plan to make contracts mandatory.

Puma was with us for ten months, and where we provided him and his teammates with a good practice environment, food, etc, and developed him as a player. The team didn't take any of the prize money a player earned, all of it went to the player. Unfortunately, Puma wished to join EG so we released him.

To acquire a player, contacting the original team regarding a transfer is a natural courtesy and the way things should be done. That is why I am very angry, and why it is huge topic in Korea right now. The Korean SC II association is preparing some measures, and I believe something similar won't happen again.

EG claims that Puma approached them first regarding joining their team, but this is not true. As I know it, EG's owner contacted Puma first. Not only Puma, but other Korean players."


This was expected. You see a loophole. You close it.


I dont get the personal attack on Geoff, He has absolutely nothing to do with this, and all he came in to say was that he has been competitive with koreans. Grow up.
moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 03:52:59
July 22 2011 03:51 GMT
#6328
On July 22 2011 12:41 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:40 moonmeh wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. Can some one update the OP already? The amount of people bringing in our dated info to start a fight is getting sickening. Milkis it's been a while please update


I'm pretty exhausted right now so yeah i'm sorry

updated. let me know if there's anything else you guys think is important to update, but i think those two are the main points.


soorry milklis about my tone. It's just that the past few pages of this thread has been filled with people posting old stuff. Also lack of sleep makes me cranky >_< I'm not annoyed at you really, just some of the people here. You had a long day shouldn't have said that.

I saw your twitter to PlayXP btw, how that going along?
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
July 22 2011 03:54 GMT
#6329
On July 22 2011 12:11 tkRage wrote:
IF I'M A BRICKLAYER
BUT I CALL MYSELF MR. PRESIDENT
I'M STILL A FUCKING BRICKLAYER.

Milkis may be called a translator but when he acts as a reporter he's a reporter. He's a journalist. FACT. If you're a basketball player, but you go play football, you're a fucking football player too.

Get that through your thick head.


When someone translates the President's speech in the United Nations General Assembly, as you may know, it doesn't make him a President. He would be still a translator.

Milkis is also JUST a translator. It was PlayXP's responsibility to approach EG and listen the story of their side before making the news.
There is no fate, but what we make.
Shizel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada23 Posts
July 22 2011 03:55 GMT
#6330
<3 Milkis. Really appreciate the work you do here.
Dawski
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada435 Posts
July 22 2011 03:56 GMT
#6331
sorry korean culture of respect, welcome to the real world of shady business and money. Esports is big enough to need contracts and for players to want salaries. This is exactly the kind of stuff that all of us had been waiting out of Esports.

Keep it up EG, forever a fan
do you REALLY want additional pylons?
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 22 2011 03:57 GMT
#6332
On July 22 2011 12:34 Keeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:26 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:25 StarStruck wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:22 LegendaryZ wrote:

The insults and overall attitude are pretty uncalled for and it's already been explained why he's not a reporter and why he isn't to be held to the same journalistic standards. If you want to fault anyone, fault whoever originally released the information (and no it wasn't Milkis). Milkis just translated an article and linked us to the source he translated. He never represented anything else in the OP apart from the article that he posted. The response by Coach Lee was a later addition when it was released and I'm sure when EG provides a written response, the OP will be edited to include that as well.

The problem right now is the fact that there is in fact no written response from EG and therefore no "Other side of the story." to tell despite the fact that EG is clearly aware of the situation. Instead of ranting on Weapon of Choice, they should have just had someone from their staff write a response either on this thread, the source thread, or their website so it could be quoted. It isn't Milkis' job to go fact checking while translating an article nor is it his responsibility to run any form of damage control on EG's behalf either by sitting on already public information or speaking on their behalf.


From EG's standpoint. There is a logic reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment.

[image loading]

During Weapon of Choice, Alex made it sound like he wished milkis tried to get a statement from EG...
Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement.


You don't think what milkis wrote implied that he was wanting information from EG regarding the situation? Milkis said he was on the edge of his seat, which means he really, really wants to hear something. Give me a break man, you're grasping at straws. It changes nothing about the fact that Alex KNEW about that Tweet and that he chose to lie to all of us hoping we'd be none the wiser. I can't believe that you guys are defending someone who was willing to lie to you. He tried to make you think milkis didn't contact EG. He knew he did. That is just so dishonest and underhanded..


Dude srsly??/ Did you even try to watch the show??? HE WAS TWEETED AFTER THE NEWS HAD BEEN BROKE....Srsly quit trying to make people look bad, quit causing more drama and srsly grow the fuck up.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
July 22 2011 03:58 GMT
#6333
On July 22 2011 12:57 DBOWNIZZ wrote:
Dude srsly??/ Did you even try to watch the show??? HE WAS TWEETED AFTER THE NEWS HAD BEEN BROKE....Srsly quit trying to make people look bad, quit causing more drama and srsly grow the fuck up.


The news had already been broken before Milkis was involved anyway so what's your point?
Jetsfan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada26 Posts
July 22 2011 03:59 GMT
#6334
On July 22 2011 12:56 Dawski wrote:
sorry korean culture of respect, welcome to the real world of shady business and money. Esports is big enough to need contracts and for players to want salaries. This is exactly the kind of stuff that all of us had been waiting out of Esports.

Keep it up EG, forever a fan



Yup, and now that it's happening nobody wants it.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
July 22 2011 03:59 GMT
#6335
On July 22 2011 12:57 DBOWNIZZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:34 Keeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 12:26 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:25 StarStruck wrote:
On July 22 2011 12:22 LegendaryZ wrote:

The insults and overall attitude are pretty uncalled for and it's already been explained why he's not a reporter and why he isn't to be held to the same journalistic standards. If you want to fault anyone, fault whoever originally released the information (and no it wasn't Milkis). Milkis just translated an article and linked us to the source he translated. He never represented anything else in the OP apart from the article that he posted. The response by Coach Lee was a later addition when it was released and I'm sure when EG provides a written response, the OP will be edited to include that as well.

The problem right now is the fact that there is in fact no written response from EG and therefore no "Other side of the story." to tell despite the fact that EG is clearly aware of the situation. Instead of ranting on Weapon of Choice, they should have just had someone from their staff write a response either on this thread, the source thread, or their website so it could be quoted. It isn't Milkis' job to go fact checking while translating an article nor is it his responsibility to run any form of damage control on EG's behalf either by sitting on already public information or speaking on their behalf.


From EG's standpoint. There is a logic reason for not commenting. Puma hasn't signed the dotted line as of yet, so until the deal is finalized they have nothing to comment.

[image loading]

During Weapon of Choice, Alex made it sound like he wished milkis tried to get a statement from EG...
Thats not how you go about trying to get a statement.


You don't think what milkis wrote implied that he was wanting information from EG regarding the situation? Milkis said he was on the edge of his seat, which means he really, really wants to hear something. Give me a break man, you're grasping at straws. It changes nothing about the fact that Alex KNEW about that Tweet and that he chose to lie to all of us hoping we'd be none the wiser. I can't believe that you guys are defending someone who was willing to lie to you. He tried to make you think milkis didn't contact EG. He knew he did. That is just so dishonest and underhanded..


Dude srsly??/ Did you even try to watch the show??? HE WAS TWEETED AFTER THE NEWS HAD BEEN BROKE....Srsly quit trying to make people look bad, quit causing more drama and srsly grow the fuck up.


Do you realize that Milkis wasn't the one who "broke" the news? The article was posted and blew up without Milkis' involvement. He just translated it for us non-Korean speaking saps.
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 22 2011 03:59 GMT
#6336
Actually Milkis was the one who released the information to TL.net without getting a statement from EG.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
July 22 2011 04:01 GMT
#6337
He didn't "release" anything. He posted the article here and translated it. The information was released by other people and if you have a problem with the reporting, learn Korean and take it up with them.
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#6338
Dude srsly, quit getting your panties in a bunch. SC2 will live on EG will live on and continue being one of the biggest Foreign teams, no matter what you think about them. It was a simple communication mistake, since PuMa wanted to talk to his coach first which if u listened, was PuMa's idea.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
July 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#6339
On July 22 2011 12:59 DBOWNIZZ wrote:
Actually Milkis was the one who released the information to TL.net without getting a statement from EG.


Factually, this is true. Also true is the fact that PlayXP had released the article to the korean public before Milkis, and they too released it without getting a statement from EG. Milkis seems to have been one of the first to even reach out to EG
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
July 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#6340
Blaming Milkis for this story getting blown out of proportion is the worst case of "shooting the messenger," ever. If he didn't translate, someone would have. It was already "reported" in Korea. Even if TL didn't post it at all for "journalistic integrity," someone else would have and then someone would have crossposted it here without needing another translator. No doubt, it would have been MORE skewed, with MORE errors, and LESS correct.

Having Milkis translate it is the best EG could have hoped for from the situation. They STILL have the option to amend the OP with any response they would like about the issue, but they have not availed themselves of that situation. The OP is not biased because of anything Milkis has done or has not done. Coach Lee took his opportunity to respond to the thread, EG has not outside of WoC. That is NOT Milkis' problem.
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