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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
July 21 2011 21:24 GMT
#4681
On July 22 2011 06:23 OPL3SA2 wrote:
DjWheat is there any chance milikis will be on today's show?


He said Milkis and another person will be saying what they know of the situation, I believe.
Yargh
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 21 2011 21:25 GMT
#4682
On July 22 2011 06:24 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:12 OPL3SA2 wrote:
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.
Or maybe is it too late? Is that what you meant?


Did you just say you didn't want e-sports to join the real world
Did i read that correctly <shrug>


owned <shrug>
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4683
On July 22 2011 06:22 zeru wrote:
Wrong. Has been growing for 15 years and has not become mainstream, yet stayed extremely awesome. And that it will keep doing.


Its been a road full of ups and downs, as far as I know (from watching LO3) it was in a decline until the release of SC2 (I think the fighting scene was growing though). A successful business is always growing, otherwise they are not successful (it's why coca cola still airs ads despite being huge). If Esports does not eventually grow to be mainstream, then that means that it is declining.
JayPower
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands171 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4684
On July 22 2011 06:12 Midgetman101 wrote:
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On July 22 2011 06:09 JayPower wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:03 Butigroove wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:57 djWHEAT wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:46 RQShatter wrote:
With that being said. Eg is even more shady forcing people to watch their terrible productions in order to hear an answer.


Then don't watch MY terrible production and wait for the fucking text recap. Problem fucking solved.

Mr Wheat, don't listen to assholes like thsi who have no clue what is going on, and just want something to throw rotten tomatoes at.

I can't beleive TSL is at all surprised that their TOP PLAYER WHO WAS NOT BEING PAID A SALARY left their team when he was offered one.

Uh... no shit? Pay your fucking players and write out a contract if you don't want this to happen.

People saying that house + food is a salary... yeah a B teamers salary lol


^motherfucking this

Most people on TL are so retarded it actually makes me angry now.
Everyone saw in the NASL how fucking good Puma is.
I think on SoTG or another show or something artosis said before NASL how fucking good puma has been for so fucking long.
Then a team that is already losing good players isn't going to pay their players?!!

Like wtf, how are EG the "bad" guys in this. In my eyes it's more like TSL not paying a talented player like Puma and EG is like "oh come join us we would like to pay you decent money".

Perhaps is TSL taking E-sports not as serious as EG.


Once again, another misinformed user. TSL pays fucking salaries god and you make fun of others for being misinformed


I wasnt making fun of other being misinformed, I was complaining about others being retarded.
Also that doesnt take anything away from my argument, good job finding one thing that wasnt correct in my post, I fixed it, my argument still stands and since you read my post and only replied about the salary issue it goes to show you got no argument.


User was warned for this post
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Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4685
On July 22 2011 06:24 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:23 OPL3SA2 wrote:
DjWheat is there any chance milikis will be on today's show?


He said Milkis and another person will be saying what they know of the situation, I believe.


Yea Milkis and Alex Garfield, the president of EG.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4686
On July 22 2011 06:19 AlBundy wrote:
Hide nested quote -
On July 22 2011 06:18 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:12 OPL3SA2 wrote:
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.



1. Esports becomes like real world business
2. Esports dies

pick one

3. Esports does not become mainstream


And thus we embark on the slow painful road to 2.


Sorry but if ANYTHING this is actually making esports more popular. Even though I hate to admit it but drama and excitement is what makes alot of sports in general popular.

More people have the interests of where players are going and interested in the players outside of SC2 gives people more to observe and obsesse over.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4687
This is so awesome for team EG. The ability to practice with Puma alone is going to raise everyone's level so much...not to mention having a new ace.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4688
On July 21 2011 18:06 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
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On July 21 2011 18:04 PeZuY wrote:
I undestand that TSL is falling apart, but EG not even contacting management just directly to the player. Wow... Really not sure how to react to this news personally.

Personally you shouldn't care ^^......


+1 !

Congratz EG : )
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4689
On July 22 2011 06:23 Fionn wrote:
In the end, all this will spur is Korean teams or a higher power to start an organization that outlaws this. A lot of people didn't want a KESPA in SC2, but they've tried that and this shows that they need at least some sort of KESPA to stop things from happening. I hope that this is the only time something like this happens, but I wouldn't be shocked if EG tries to talk to someone like DongRaeGu when he comes to MLG. Hopefully the Korean teams don't see EG as every foreigner team in the world and aren't afraid to send their players until this new contract/SC2 Korea organization is created.


Could be a blessing in disguise in a way. Hopefully that is the case as I would hate to see a big name player snatched up in the near future. Good thing it is only PuMa.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#4690
On July 22 2011 06:26 Xivsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:24 JinDesu wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:23 OPL3SA2 wrote:
DjWheat is there any chance milikis will be on today's show?


He said Milkis and another person will be saying what they know of the situation, I believe.


Yea Milkis and Alex Garfield, the president of EG.


That's great
thanks marcus
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
kovac
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden123 Posts
July 21 2011 21:27 GMT
#4691
On July 22 2011 06:24 Morrisson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:18 Shaetan wrote:


"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

No there wasn't.



... please, stop, you're embarassign yourself. Trust create contractual obligations, especially if you can provide proofs and shows this was a two-way relationship ( food/training on one side, wearing the TSL tag on the other is more than enough...) There more that 1 case where no contracts was ever written YET you can have breach of contracts, dol, etc....



so he could never leave as long as they fed him is that what Im reading??
NaNiwa>ThorZaIN: WHAT you broke the game again dont you have any shame??
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 21 2011 21:27 GMT
#4692
Imagine of some team just stole idra from EG.

I'm sure scoots would be pretty pissed.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
question
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Czech Republic509 Posts
July 21 2011 21:28 GMT
#4693
WOW SICK!!!
GGverySooN
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 21 2011 21:28 GMT
#4694
On July 22 2011 06:26 DBOWNIZZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:19 AlBundy wrote:
Hide nested quote -
On July 22 2011 06:18 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:12 OPL3SA2 wrote:
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.



1. Esports becomes like real world business
2. Esports dies

pick one

3. Esports does not become mainstream


And thus we embark on the slow painful road to 2.


Sorry but if ANYTHING this is actually making esports more popular. Even though I hate to admit it but drama and excitement is what makes alot of sports in general popular.

More people have the interests of where players are going and interested in the players outside of SC2 gives people more to observe and obsesse over.


Ofc not. Esport is still a niche. It is not because 1 company within this niche decides to do something unethical it suddenly becomes a popular sport amongst the masses...
I had a good night of sleep.
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
July 21 2011 21:28 GMT
#4695
On July 22 2011 06:19 AlBundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:18 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:12 OPL3SA2 wrote:
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.



1. Esports becomes like real world business
2. Esports dies

pick one

3. Esports does not become mainstream

E-sports has already had far more serious incidents, the Broodwar match fixing scandal being the major one, this is peanuts in comparison and should just show teams that they need to have their legal shit in order.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 21:29:17
July 21 2011 21:28 GMT
#4696
On July 22 2011 06:27 kovac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:24 Morrisson wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:18 Shaetan wrote:


"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

No there wasn't.



... please, stop, you're embarassign yourself. Trust create contractual obligations, especially if you can provide proofs and shows this was a two-way relationship ( food/training on one side, wearing the TSL tag on the other is more than enough...) There more that 1 case where no contracts was ever written YET you can have breach of contracts, dol, etc....



so he could never leave as long as they fed him is that what Im reading??


not to mention no end date, so the team technically owns the player forever, TRUST bro TRUST

u wanna move out? sorry that's breaking the TRUST contract, u cant do it
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 21 2011 21:29 GMT
#4697
Imagine of some team just stole idra from EG.

I'm sure scoots would be pretty pissed.


Actually nobody can steal Idra from EG cause Evil Genius's actually contract there players, and I'm more then sure that it states in there contract that they can't join another team.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 21:31:36
July 21 2011 21:29 GMT
#4698
On July 22 2011 06:26 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:22 zeru wrote:
Wrong. Has been growing for 15 years and has not become mainstream, yet stayed extremely awesome. And that it will keep doing.


Its been a road full of ups and downs, as far as I know (from watching LO3) it was in a decline until the release of SC2 (I think the fighting scene was growing though). A successful business is always growing, otherwise they are not successful (it's why coca cola still airs ads despite being huge). If Esports does not eventually grow to be mainstream, then that means that it is declining.


coca cola grows by acquiring other businesses now. a few million on advertising doesn't really affect their growth anymore, it just maintains their image in first world countries.

but that's off topic. esports isn't a single corporation. it's an entire market. NBA ratings might be down, but that doesn't mean basketball is dying. it's still growing in europe and china. same thing with esports. just because the FPS scene was dying doesn't mean esports as a whole was declining.
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
July 21 2011 21:30 GMT
#4699
On July 22 2011 06:23 Docmedical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:09 Darkong wrote:
"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

I'm soory, I know this guy is really well liked and everything, but that is just, at best naive and, at worst, incredibly stupid. E-sports is not that tiny little amateur outfit it was years ago, there's now serious money involved and big businesses getting into it and the teams involved need to grow up and start acting less like typical internet clans and more like professional sports teams.

I feel for the guy in some ways because TSL has lost so many players recently and may not be around for all that long if they can't stop the bleeding, but if you're not having your players tied to some sort of deal to at least get compensation if they transfer to another team, you don't have grounds to complain when they up sticks and leave if they get a better offer from somewhere else.

It would be great if all sports could operate on trust and a gentlemens agreement, but as soon as money is involved that is no longer the case and SC2 teams need to get up to speed on this pronto or this won't be the last time there's such an incident.



Yeah bro, Esports just became professional when SC2 was released.

/sarcasm

I never said, nor intoned that, try understanding what I'm saying rather than jumping onto one line and taking it out of context.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Morrisson
Profile Joined May 2011
289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 21:31:11
July 21 2011 21:30 GMT
#4700
On July 22 2011 06:27 kovac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:24 Morrisson wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:18 Shaetan wrote:


"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

No there wasn't.



... please, stop, you're embarassign yourself. Trust create contractual obligations, especially if you can provide proofs and shows this was a two-way relationship ( food/training on one side, wearing the TSL tag on the other is more than enough...) There more that 1 case where no contracts was ever written YET you can have breach of contracts, dol, etc....



so he could never leave as long as they fed him is that what Im reading??

No... I'm just staying that at least discussing clearly and maybe finding a way to compensate for his departure would have avoided all the Drama. And that if TSL was to go to (at least some) courts, they could very well requalitfy their relation with Puma as a classical e-sport contract... ( 1 or 2 year duration, etc...) Nothing more.

My point is that there was a contract between the parties and it was broken. What both parties decide to do after is something else.
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