Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 234

On July 22 2011 06:12 OPL3SA2 wrote:
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama

This was already covered in the thread. Coach Lee said himself that there was no contract. If we consider that to just mean no written contract, and that there was some kind of informal oral contract, there certainly wasn't an end date to it. It would just be an agreement that could be interrupted at any time. "We will provide you food and lodging, in return you will play for us" Puma roughly said "I no longer wish to play for you, I do not need you to provide me food and lodging" well that's it, contract terminated.

We're not restating the arguments, but in short, there was no contract that would provide TSL with any relief (due to the fact that an oral contract needed a definite trigger or time duration, of which there seems to be none). Go read up earlier on the thread for the analysis.So no there was not an actual contract, either verbal or written.

On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.

On July 22 2011 06:17 Morrisson wrote:


I argue that TSL could say that usual business practice is not this one, and therefore a breach of contract.... which is EXACTLY what he said. There was a contract. It was breached. He just dont think going to court is worth it.



Trigger is easy, he played under TSL tag name.... Time duration, if not stated, would be infered from what the usual lenght in the industry is. Maybe one year in this case.

There was a contract.

On July 22 2011 06:18 SafeAsCheese wrote:


1. Esports becomes like real world business
2. Esports dies

pick one

On July 22 2011 06:19 AlBundy wrote:

3. Esports does not become mainstream

On July 22 2011 06:10 Nethermind wrote:


It seems to me that you take negative feedback in any way far too personally Wheat. Chill out; don't respond etc. For the 5 people that bag your show without any constructive feedback, there are tons who are fine with it that don't say boo.

I can understand the sentiment however that EG have used this to promote the 'platform' they support (your shows). There is nothing wrong with EG doing that however; in fact it is the logical place to explain their position. In saying that, I feel that you need to accept that the connection of your shows to EG may inadvertently lead people to think of them (occasionally or consistently) as EG's productions, rather than your own.

As we all know, nerd chills are fine. Nerd rage isn't.

On July 22 2011 06:19 AlBundy wrote:

3. Esports does not become mainstream

On July 22 2011 06:09 Darkong wrote:
"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

I'm soory, I know this guy is really well liked and everything, but that is just, at best naive and, at worst, incredibly stupid. E-sports is not that tiny little amateur outfit it was years ago, there's now serious money involved and big businesses getting into it and the teams involved need to grow up and start acting less like typical internet clans and more like professional sports teams.

I feel for the guy in some ways because TSL has lost so many players recently and may not be around for all that long if they can't stop the bleeding, but if you're not having your players tied to some sort of deal to at least get compensation if they transfer to another team, you don't have grounds to complain when they up sticks and leave if they get a better offer from somewhere else.

It would be great if all sports could operate on trust and a gentlemens agreement, but as soon as money is involved that is no longer the case and SC2 teams need to get up to speed on this pronto or this won't be the last time there's such an incident.

On July 22 2011 06:18 Shaetan wrote:


"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

No there wasn't.

On July 22 2011 06:17 AlBundy wrote:

Real world is rotten to the core. I don't want esports to become like that.
Or maybe is it too late? Is that what you meant?