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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
July 21 2011 21:08 GMT
#4641
On July 22 2011 06:03 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:01 f0ol wrote:
He is being a drama queen in a sense. His whole argument is based around respect instead of real contractual obligations. His original statement makes it seem as if Puma was a contracted player, which we later found out he isn't. Now he is making claims that EG has stated that Puma approached them and that they are lying. When in fact, EG has not said a thing about this issue other then the fact that machine is playing DoW.


This is how I read this:
"Why are you being a drama queen for losing your girlfriend. Your girl friend doesn't have to respect you, even though you help build her confidence. Its not like you put a ring on it. Sorry bro, your girl hit on me first. Lets face it, I have money, you don't, imma take her around the world (wink)" - EG to TSL

So, TSL = Dumped, Puma = Whore, EG = Rich Play Boy


In that scenario TSL should be pissed at Puma, not EG.


But TSL Loves Puma, and wants what's best for Puma. (releasing him at his wish). TSL should be pissed at EG for convincing him to leave behind TSL's back.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
July 21 2011 21:08 GMT
#4642
On July 22 2011 05:59 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 05:52 KeyHunt wrote:
EG is so business smart. They essentially just took a 230 page thread on TL and took all those people and said come check out our show for a response haha..so great lol.


Slasher and I approached both EG and Milkis. They had nothing to do with it.

So I would like to take the credit for being business smart... not EG. And the ironic thing is that I was on vacation Sunday so WoC didn't air. I didn't know what I was going to do tonight on WoC (was actually gonna bring miniWHEAT on) then I woke up to this.

Perfect timing if you ask me.


You're all smart about this stuff and you know it haha. But also, what's good for you and omg.tv, is good for scoots, and EG...and so the circle of life lives on . Should be a fun show that is for sure.
JayPower
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 21:23:58
July 21 2011 21:09 GMT
#4643
On July 22 2011 06:03 Butigroove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 05:57 djWHEAT wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:46 RQShatter wrote:
With that being said. Eg is even more shady forcing people to watch their terrible productions in order to hear an answer.


Then don't watch MY terrible production and wait for the fucking text recap. Problem fucking solved.

Mr Wheat, don't listen to assholes like thsi who have no clue what is going on, and just want something to throw rotten tomatoes at.

I can't beleive TSL is at all surprised that their TOP PLAYER WHO WAS NOT BEING PAID A SALARY left their team when he was offered one.

Uh... no shit? Pay your fucking players and write out a contract if you don't want this to happen.

People saying that house + food is a salary... yeah a B teamers salary lol


^motherfucking this

Most people on TL are so retarded it actually makes me angry now.
Everyone saw in the NASL how fucking good Puma is.
I think on SoTG or another show or something artosis said before NASL how fucking good puma has been for so fucking long.
Then a team that is already losing good players isn't going to pay their players decently?!!

Like wtf, how are EG the "bad" guys in this. In my eyes it's more like TSL not paying a talented player like Puma and EG is like "oh come join us we would like to pay you decent money".

Perhaps is TSL taking E-sports not as serious as EG.

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Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
July 21 2011 21:09 GMT
#4644
"It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts."

I'm soory, I know this guy is really well liked and everything, but that is just, at best naive and, at worst, incredibly stupid. E-sports is not that tiny little amateur outfit it was years ago, there's now serious money involved and big businesses getting into it and the teams involved need to grow up and start acting less like typical internet clans and more like professional sports teams.

I feel for the guy in some ways because TSL has lost so many players recently and may not be around for all that long if they can't stop the bleeding, but if you're not having your players tied to some sort of deal to at least get compensation if they transfer to another team, you don't have grounds to complain when they up sticks and leave if they get a better offer from somewhere else.

It would be great if all sports could operate on trust and a gentlemens agreement, but as soon as money is involved that is no longer the case and SC2 teams need to get up to speed on this pronto or this won't be the last time there's such an incident.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
July 21 2011 21:10 GMT
#4645
On July 22 2011 05:57 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 05:46 RQShatter wrote:
With that being said. Eg is even more shady forcing people to watch their terrible productions in order to hear an answer.


Then don't watch MY terrible production and wait for the fucking text recap. Problem fucking solved.


It seems to me that you take negative feedback in any way far too personally Wheat. Chill out; don't respond etc. For the 5 people that bag your show without any constructive feedback, there are tons who are fine with it that don't say boo.

I can understand the sentiment however that EG have used this to promote the 'platform' they support (your shows). There is nothing wrong with EG doing that however; in fact it is the logical place to explain their position. In saying that, I feel that you need to accept that the connection of your shows to EG may inadvertently lead people to think of them (occasionally or consistently) as EG's productions, rather than your own.

As we all know, nerd chills are fine. Nerd rage isn't.
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
July 21 2011 21:11 GMT
#4646
Headline should be:

Puma pounces on offer from EG; Team Sad Life loses their top cat
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 21 2011 21:11 GMT
#4647
On July 22 2011 06:08 QTIP. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:03 nihlon wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:01 f0ol wrote:
He is being a drama queen in a sense. His whole argument is based around respect instead of real contractual obligations. His original statement makes it seem as if Puma was a contracted player, which we later found out he isn't. Now he is making claims that EG has stated that Puma approached them and that they are lying. When in fact, EG has not said a thing about this issue other then the fact that machine is playing DoW.


This is how I read this:
"Why are you being a drama queen for losing your girlfriend. Your girl friend doesn't have to respect you, even though you help build her confidence. Its not like you put a ring on it. Sorry bro, your girl hit on me first. Lets face it, I have money, you don't, imma take her around the world (wink)" - EG to TSL

So, TSL = Dumped, Puma = Whore, EG = Rich Play Boy


In that scenario TSL should be pissed at Puma, not EG.


But TSL Loves Puma, and wants what's best for Puma. (releasing him at his wish). TSL should be pissed at EG for convincing him to leave behind TSL's back.


I think TSL did respect Puma's decision, but afaik Puma came to the manager one day, said he'd be leaving, and left. There was nothing TSL could do but "release" him.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
July 21 2011 21:11 GMT
#4648
well at least now they know about the importance of contracts

never the less: GL puma EG and TSL :D
hihihi
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
July 21 2011 21:12 GMT
#4649
On July 22 2011 06:09 JayPower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:03 Butigroove wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:57 djWHEAT wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:46 RQShatter wrote:
With that being said. Eg is even more shady forcing people to watch their terrible productions in order to hear an answer.


Then don't watch MY terrible production and wait for the fucking text recap. Problem fucking solved.

Mr Wheat, don't listen to assholes like thsi who have no clue what is going on, and just want something to throw rotten tomatoes at.

I can't beleive TSL is at all surprised that their TOP PLAYER WHO WAS NOT BEING PAID A SALARY left their team when he was offered one.

Uh... no shit? Pay your fucking players and write out a contract if you don't want this to happen.

People saying that house + food is a salary... yeah a B teamers salary lol


^motherfucking this

Most people on TL are so retarded it actually makes me angry now.
Everyone saw in the NASL how fucking good Puma is.
I think on SoTG or another show or something artosis said before NASL how fucking good puma has been for so fucking long.
Then a team that is already losing good players isn't going to pay their players?!!

Like wtf, how are EG the "bad" guys in this. In my eyes it's more like TSL not paying a talented player like Puma and EG is like "oh come join us we would like to pay you decent money".

Perhaps is TSL taking E-sports not as serious as EG.


Once again, another misinformed user. TSL pays fucking salaries god and you make fun of others for being misinformed
~Terran For Life~
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 21 2011 21:12 GMT
#4650
It's funny because in the real world this is called business
in e-sports it's called drama
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
July 21 2011 21:13 GMT
#4651
I dont that wheats show is gonna have so many eg people but i loveee wheat so its ok
~Terran For Life~
tooPrime
Profile Joined March 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 21:14 GMT
#4652
On July 22 2011 06:10 Nethermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 05:57 djWHEAT wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:46 RQShatter wrote:
With that being said. Eg is even more shady forcing people to watch their terrible productions in order to hear an answer.


Then don't watch MY terrible production and wait for the fucking text recap. Problem fucking solved.


It seems to me that you take negative feedback in any way far too personally Wheat. Chill out; don't respond etc. For the 5 people that bag your show without any constructive feedback, there are tons who are fine with it that don't say boo.

I can understand the sentiment however that EG have used this to promote the 'platform' they support (your shows). There is nothing wrong with EG doing that however; in fact it is the logical place to explain their position. In saying that, I feel that you need to accept that the connection of your shows to EG may inadvertently lead people to think of them (occasionally or consistently) as EG's productions, rather than your own.

As we all know, nerd chills are fine. Nerd rage isn't.

Negative feedback? The dude was just being a dick.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 21:14:27
July 21 2011 21:14 GMT
#4653
I think EG's move sucks and EG's image has a team is becoming less and less glamorous, but I love the Wheat's productions ... Am I contradicting myself ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
July 21 2011 21:14 GMT
#4654
On July 22 2011 06:11 common_cider wrote:
Headline should be:

Puma pounces on offer from EG; Team Sad Life loses their top cat

Well played, sir. Well played.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
July 21 2011 21:14 GMT
#4655
On July 22 2011 06:11 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 06:08 QTIP. wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:03 nihlon wrote:
On July 22 2011 06:01 f0ol wrote:
He is being a drama queen in a sense. His whole argument is based around respect instead of real contractual obligations. His original statement makes it seem as if Puma was a contracted player, which we later found out he isn't. Now he is making claims that EG has stated that Puma approached them and that they are lying. When in fact, EG has not said a thing about this issue other then the fact that machine is playing DoW.


This is how I read this:
"Why are you being a drama queen for losing your girlfriend. Your girl friend doesn't have to respect you, even though you help build her confidence. Its not like you put a ring on it. Sorry bro, your girl hit on me first. Lets face it, I have money, you don't, imma take her around the world (wink)" - EG to TSL

So, TSL = Dumped, Puma = Whore, EG = Rich Play Boy


In that scenario TSL should be pissed at Puma, not EG.


But TSL Loves Puma, and wants what's best for Puma. (releasing him at his wish). TSL should be pissed at EG for convincing him to leave behind TSL's back.


I think TSL did respect Puma's decision, but afaik Puma came to the manager one day, said he'd be leaving, and left. There was nothing TSL could do but "release" him.

Probably true ;(
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
OsmOse
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada18 Posts
July 21 2011 21:15 GMT
#4656
As other people have already said. Welcome to business, and welcome to the real world. No contract, too bad. I don't feel bad for TSL at all, and EG has every right to do whatever is legally possible to better their team.

Don't want to loose players, sign a contract. Otherwise they are a free agent. Look at real sports. TSL needs to stop QQ and learn the business.
p1cKLes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
July 21 2011 21:16 GMT
#4657
On July 22 2011 05:56 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 05:46 Lokian wrote:
On July 22 2011 05:35 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
djWHEAT djWHEAT
LIVE @ 7PM EDT: @WeapOfChoice with EG's Alex Garfield & @OrangeMilkis discussing PUMA/TSL/EG situation! http://www.OneMoreGame.tv

From Wheats twitter. Probably another dose of lying like the ITG/SOTG situation; I don't believe much of what EG says anymore, especially when it comes out of SirScoots' mouth.


EG responds by advertising a show. lol


Only I was the one advertising it and I'm not EG. I'm simply trying to use the networking I have to try to bring both sides to the table for a discussion. I hope people will realize (and I spoke intensely about this with Slasher) that I was NOT going to do the show if I could not present both sides (after a few recent happenings this seems to be the only way to be fair to all parties).

Both Alex and Milkis agreed to discuss what they knew, etc.



I wish everyone had this maturity level. Great job Wheat! The way things should be done.
AgentV
Profile Joined November 2010
United States159 Posts
July 21 2011 21:16 GMT
#4658
Well as far as I recall, TSL was paying Tester and FD a salary, and those two left when their contracts expired ( I assume here, but there were no controversies around that ) I heard no call for loyalty or respect whatsoever. So why is this such a big deal with Puma? Not enough info to make a judgement call imo. But I suppose it is always fun when we argue on the internet isn't it? ^^
Don Rag U
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
July 21 2011 21:17 GMT
#4659
EG supporting Esport by forcing other teams to care for theire players and pay them.

and the community response is what?
YOUR KILLING ESPORT, YOU MEAN BUSNISS GUYZZZZ!!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 21:17 GMT
#4660
With there no written contract, it's right in the sense of business, but still pretty morally wrong and makes EG look bad to the Korean teams and players. The only good thing (or maybe bad for others) is that we might get a SC2 version of KESPA with everyone getting paid on a contract, bigger sponsors helping teams, and players not being able to just get poached. I feel bad for Coach Lee and TSL since they basically sheltered and fed the guy for the past year, and he just turned his back on them, but EG did what they had to do. A lot of Korean players have said that this move was disgusting and a lot of Korean fans as well, so they probably lost a respect in Korea, but if they don't care about that, then good for the.

I really hope Puma doesn't regress, though. I think it'll be hard/difficult to stay in Korea after this shitstorm, so I expect he'll move into the EG house. When/if this happens, hopefully for him he knows what he is getting into. Unlike FXO that had Moonan/Slog, I believe no EG member knows any Korean. It's going to be a tough, hard road head for Puma.
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