EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 201
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StarcraftKevin
United States285 Posts
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SourD
United States81 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:28 j3i wrote: This is new. The Korean sc2 scene being called amateurs. wow actually sc2 teams in korea atleast at the management level does seem to be a bit amateurish. little or no solid infrastructure built in.. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:31 hydra21 wrote: From what I understand most Korean teams do not have contracts etc. Korean culture is very different than ours, and in Korea, a team would not have done what EG did. They have different concepts of duty and obligation and EG took advantage of that it would seem. I'm everything but an expert on the BW scene but I'm quite sure they did have contracts and players had very little say in what they could or couldn't do. | ||
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
wonder if puma is moving into the eg house | ||
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Dayrlan
United States248 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:28 FairForever wrote: The biggest irony is people saying this is bad for E-Sports. Personally I think this is a terrible game-play decision for Puma, but a good monetary one obviously. But this is great for E-Sports. Essentially this is saying that top players in Korea deserve and should get a fair wage rather than the meager scraps that Korean teams generally provide to non-Code S players. Yeah. I think this is the salient point in all of this. SC2 Korean pros will continue migrating to foreign teams so long as foreign teams are willing to pay substantially more. It's just a plain economic fact. | ||
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vilehelm
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:29 jmbthirteen wrote: You know the only reason Rudy is able to do this is the lockout right? Otherwise he would be voiding his contract with the mavs who would probably say, "hey you can't play in spain, you play for us". But since the nba is in a lockout, his contract is currently suspended and the league has no power over the players. The contract was offered pre-lockout, NBA rules still applied, Mavs did not seek tampering lawsuit. Because they couldn't. It wasn't an NBA team trying to take a player from another NBA team. No constant governing body. The mavs and rudy would have had to chalk out the remainder of the contract between them, but the Mavs could not stop Rudy from going to Spain if he chose to. EDIT: And to even add fuel to the fire, obviously Puma didnt have a contract based on whats come out, so that point is moot. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:31 vyyye wrote: I'm everything but an expert on the BW scene but I'm quite sure they did have contracts and players had very little say in what they could or couldn't do. Exactly. People saying "Oh Korea based on trust"... yeah okay there. Business decisions are business decisions, people in Asia still use contracts as far as I know. | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:30 PBG wrote: and TSL has had what, 4 people in the last month "leave" or for a lack of a better word, not on TSL anymore? While you can say he has a "better" reputation than EG, there's still something going on at TSL to have that many people leave in such a short period of time. In any case just poorly handed situation altogether really and it just seems like a big pissing contest with "he said this but I said this" garbage as we don't really know who to believe. You look WAAAAAAY to hard into the people leaving TSL issue. Rain has been planning a move to the US for months and Fruitdealer and Trickster left with the coaches blessing the coach even helped them find a new team. What PuMa did was just kind of wrong :/ | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:30 sekritzzz wrote: Wow teamEG is freaking messed up. Approaching puma and sen + which ever other players according to xeris and coach lee is desperate crap. Fox's approach to Fou was manly hence everyone's appreciation. EG's approach was disgusting Disgusting? What's disgusting is how few SC2 players actually earn enough money to make a living. Why should we look down on an organization like EG that can afford to pay their players a respectable wage. If more teams follow in their footsteps by needing to pay their players more to compete then that is all the better for "esports." | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
EG claims that Puma approached them first regarding joining their team, but this is not true. As I know it, EG's owner contacted Puma first. Not only Puma, but other Korean players." wow are you kidding me EG? if you are lying, way to put your player in an awkward spot. Lie for the organization and make yourself look bad or tell the truth and make the organization look bad? | ||
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alexhard
Sweden317 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:30 PeZuY wrote: Now what I'd like to see is EGs statement of this matter. But I dont really understand this fishing tactic that you try to get players from different teams, so silly and shady. I was wishing that this shit wasn't true but atleast for now I gotta believe TSL coach statement over EGs no comments at the moment. Disapointed EG fan here  Player transfers happen all the time, there's nothing fishy about it. EG acquired demuslim from mTw, nobody said it was fishy back then.. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:28 jiveturkey wrote: So i see that the rumors about the TL community are indeed true. Mad about everything, drama queens, and plenty of white knighting. I now understand why everyone tells me to stay away from here. You have to forgive them. They are just trying to save "Princess Esports" from the Evil leaue of Doom (=anything real or buisness related ) | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:25 Liudo wrote: I want to make a general point about contracts. In contract law you do not need to have a piece of paper that is signed in order to have a legally enforcable contract, although that is of course by far and away the normal way a contract exists because it is the easiest way to prove a contract. You can have an oral contract that is legally binding. It is harder to proove. You can even have contracts that are not based in writing or in something that is said, but in practice. So the theoretical legal position is not as cut as dried as people are describing. This is of course completely unrelated to the facts of this individual case. But you should bear in mind that just because nothing was written on paper did not mean that Puma and TSL did not have an understanding. Clearly they did have an understanding, because TSL provided shelter and food for Puma and Puma played under the TSL game-tag. So all this nonsense that somehow there was nothing connecting Puma to TSL just because a contract is in disupte misses the point. And also this talk of morality is so crude. Morality has its place in law in the sense that law decides what is right and what is wrong. So it is entirely legitimate to talk about what is right and wrong here. Trying to pin all of that on the existence or absence of a piece of paper really shows a complete missunderstanding of what law is for. Law doesn't necessarily describe what is right and what is wrong. It isn't necessarily against the law to be racist or to have sex with someone who is in a romantic relationship, but many people would say that those things are wrong. Morality clearly covers right and wrong in a different context which isn't addressed by legality. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:28 VPCursed wrote: ok i want to know what the hell is the "Korean SC II association" SC2 doesnt need another KESPA You are going off-topic, but I cannot just let your opinion pass by uncorrected. KesPa did a lot of good for BW. BW would've not have grown to what it is today without KesPa. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:30 -Frog- wrote: Here's an unknown: When Puma told Manager Lee that he wanted to join EG had he already signed a contract with EG? If he had not then this is the opportunity for TSL to offer Puma a better deal than what he is getting with EG. And if that's the case then a fair transaction has taken place. Puma was offered a better salary and living conditions and because TSL had decided not to contract Puma they lost him. I dont think TSL had a chance to counter offer TBH. I think what happened was that Puma was a free agent and he agreed to sign with EG, all of this without TSLs consent or knowledge. However, I dont think TSL is capable of a counter offer. They lost 3 of their most successful players in a matter of weeks. Puma knows this. If TSL was such a family and such a nurturing place plus the fact that they can pay Puma, Puma wouldnt have left. This is all speculation though. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Still waiting on that statement EG!! Don't worry, incontrol is all over it with his one of a kind wit and tact on twitter. As many of you know something big has happened today. We at EG are proud to announce: Machine has received his Necron army in the mail. Everyone is making a really big deal out of nothing. It's getting kinda gross... out of respect to EG please stop with the Necron hate. EG's official statement on the whole "respect" issue is that while free to choose which army he wants to field @MachineUSA should be Orc. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:23 nvs. wrote: What the fuck. Trying to poach Sen and such too?? O_o Yeah how dare they find good players and try and get them on their team it's HORRIBLE! On July 22 2011 03:23 Nivity wrote: And there it is, contracts in sc2. It was just a matter of time, thanks to shit organizations like EG. Never liked EG and now they sank even more, hope EG fail in future tours. Contracts are the worst. I hate how they provide players with salaries and reliable futures and make for a more stable, interesting scene. Seriously though, wut? | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:31 StarcraftKevin wrote: Why didn't sir scoots approach the coach of the tsl for the player offer like fxo did with fou? The 2 reasons for that are that 1 FXO didnt approach FOU, FOU approached FXO for sponsorships for foreign tournaments and FXO made a counter arrangement to buy the team. This brings me to point 2 which is that EG isnt trying to aquire TSL they just wanted Puma on there team. | ||
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