And EG are the unprofessional ones...
Mind Blown.
Still waiting on that statement EG!!
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3981
And EG are the unprofessional ones... Mind Blown. Still waiting on that statement EG!! | ||
Lipski
Poland373 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3982
On July 22 2011 03:27 Liudo wrote: Also a contract does not make someone legally bound in the sense that slaves once were legally bound, for christ's sake. Even if a contract had existed, that would not stop Puma from leaving and joining EG. Yes, but if a contract existed it would actually be "fair" to contact his team first, instead of player directly. But as it stands, he was a free agent. He was not contracted by any team. I don't see any reason why any company that wanted to contract Puma should contact anybody about this but Puma himself. | ||
FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3983
On July 22 2011 03:27 Jibba wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 03:21 JWD wrote: On July 22 2011 03:17 TheButtonmen wrote: On July 22 2011 03:15 JWD wrote: Thanks very much for that link guys. I'm going to update the OP with that information. Definitely suggests that there was some contract between TSL and PuMa, but who knows whether this incident implicates any of its terms. Coach Lee confirms that Puma had no contract. That certainly seems to be the implication of his first paragraph. If this is the case I can only say that I am surprised TSL would hang the security of its business venture on expectations (however strong) that players will always shy away from attractive offers purely because of an unwritten ethical code. Seriously, what were they thinking. >.> Even if they didn't pay Puma, providing food/housing/etc. is a basis for creating a contract. Even without NCC and all that other stuff, if they exists they could still seek damages. It's just so bizarre that they wouldn't have him sign anything in order to join the house. No it isn't. There is clearly no contract here. Unless there was a verbal understanding that Puma would stay for an extended period of time. The service TSL provided Puma was the food/housing/etc. The service TSL received was ability to use Puma in Team Leagues, Puma representing them, etc. for the time that Puma was there. Nowhere in there does it suggest that TSL and Puma are in a long-term relationship. If it was then one could say the relationship must be extended indefinitely, right? | ||
oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3984
On July 22 2011 03:28 j3i wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 03:22 Soap wrote: "It's not just TSL, but most Starcraft II teams right now run on trust and faith instead of contracts. So the korean SC2 scene is being run by amateurs, no wonder it isn't exactly thriving. This is new. The Korean sc2 scene being called amateurs. wow The Korean sc2 scene is imo amateurs when they let a player join with no contract. | ||
Z3kk
4099 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3985
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PeZuY
935 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3986
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CptnObvious
United States54 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3987
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PBG
40 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3988
On July 22 2011 03:25 Ansinjunger wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 03:21 TheButtonmen wrote: On July 22 2011 03:20 Milkis wrote: On July 22 2011 03:19 TheButtonmen wrote: On July 22 2011 03:18 CosmicSpiral wrote: Well, Lee's given us his input. Now EG has to step up to the plate. -shrug- It's pretty clear cut from their PoV. Puma approchs them interested in joining. EG finds out Puma has no contract. EG does a happy dance. EG signs Puma. TSL does a sad dance. puma did not approach them first, lol How do you know? EG says they were approched, TSL coach says EG approched Puma. It's a giant game of he said / she said so instead of dealing with that I just used the phrase from their PoV. I'm not making any bold claims about which side is bullshitting to save face. That's fair enough, but coach Lee has a good reputation, and EG's is not as sterling. What's amusing to me is that EG's known about this, or the possibility at least, since NASL finals 11 days ago and Sir Scoots just laughed at our collective absence of fact checking, while providing none himself. and TSL has had what, 4 people in the last month "leave" or for a lack of a better word, not on TSL anymore? While you can say he has a "better" reputation than EG, there's still something going on at TSL to have that many people leave in such a short period of time. In any case just poorly handed situation altogether really and it just seems like a big pissing contest with "he said this but I said this" garbage as we don't really know who to believe. | ||
TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3989
On July 22 2011 03:29 Milkis wrote: Wow people are really bad at reading comprehension lol Then clarify for us if we are understanding you wrong? | ||
sekritzzz
1515 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3990
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3991
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3992
I have absolutely no problem with EG fishing for a Korean ace player....headhunting is all the rage in football (or soccer for Americans) | ||
Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3993
On July 22 2011 03:27 Jibba wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 03:21 JWD wrote: On July 22 2011 03:17 TheButtonmen wrote: On July 22 2011 03:15 JWD wrote: Thanks very much for that link guys. I'm going to update the OP with that information. Definitely suggests that there was some contract between TSL and PuMa, but who knows whether this incident implicates any of its terms. Coach Lee confirms that Puma had no contract. That certainly seems to be the implication of his first paragraph. If this is the case I can only say that I am surprised TSL would hang the security of its business venture on expectations (however strong) that players will always shy away from attractive offers purely because of an unwritten ethical code. Seriously, what were they thinking. >.> Even if they didn't pay Puma, providing food/housing/etc. is a basis for creating a contract. Even without NCC and all that other stuff, if they exists they could still seek damages. It's just so bizarre that they wouldn't have him sign anything in order to join the house. This. A contract is not always a piece of paper. It is normally a piece of paper because it is a convenient form to record an agreement and proove that agreement. | ||
bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3994
On July 22 2011 03:28 forgottendreams wrote: So wait Puma approached EG first and it turns out he never had a contract?! Damn this story is completely different now from last night, and far less controversial IMO.... I sincerely doubt that PuMa approached EG. But really, that doesn't matter. | ||
-Frog-
United States514 Posts
July 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#3995
When Puma told Manager Lee that he wanted to join EG had he already signed a contract with EG? If he had not then this is the opportunity for TSL to offer Puma a better deal than what he is getting with EG. And if that's the case then a fair transaction has taken place. Puma was offered a better salary and living conditions and because TSL had decided not to contract Puma they lost him. | ||
hydra21
94 Posts
July 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#3996
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
July 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#3997
On July 22 2011 03:24 JiYan wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 03:23 DueSs wrote: AFAIK, People never hated Miami for going after Lebron. lebron was a free agent, puma was not. I'm pretty sure not having a signed contract means you're a free agent. I mean, maybe we're just using different definitions of what being a "free agent" means. | ||
DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
July 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#3998
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DBOWNIZZ
United States66 Posts
July 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#3999
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
July 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#4000
In all seriousness though, this seems pretty silly. It is clear that Puma was on a team. When you try to recruit him, there is no way to say you are not trying to poach him from his team, whether there was a contract in place or not. It seems pretty dirty from my perspective - perhaps it doesn't seem dirty from another perspective. We should wait for a comment from EG before we make the sort of claims some of you have been making in this thread. | ||
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