EPTShe's following the law, there is definitely nothing wrong with what she is doing.
Slayers_Jessica overreacting to flamers? - Page 15
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Fubi
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She's following the law, there is definitely nothing wrong with what she is doing. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:11 ChowChillaCharlie wrote: If it's for the sole purpose of sexual harrasment against someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it, yes? Do you not see the huge problem with this? How do you prove that something was done "for the sole purpose of sexual harassment"? How do you prove that someone hasn't done anything to deserve it? + Show Spoiler + You can't, which makes it inconsistent, and laws/rules cannot be inconsistent | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:10 Kraznaya wrote: Not really a clarification considering that it's at odds with a lot of the facts presented in the OP. It seems like the line being voiced by Slayers fans is different from that being said on online forums. Whodda thunk. Well, it's a question of the credibility of both sources. As far as I know, oniontaker is in direct contact with everyone so I have no reason not to trust him. Are there other people in DIRECT contact with everyone involved that are making contradictory statements? Also, I really need to repeat myself here: This isn't as much about getting back at some trolls that said stuff to make her mad as it is pursuing legal action for defamation - which is actually a real crime. You don't just take things that are actual crimes and dismiss them as trolling. You've broken the law and now you might be forced to pay for it if the affected party decides to press charges. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
If you do or say something you should take responsibiltiy for it, also on the internet. If the harassment is very extreme they should go to prison and also receive a mental evaluation. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:12 Philosophy wrote: She is a gold player who got invited because of her looks. Did you seriously expect people to sit quiet? If she was a guy, none would care, people on team liquid would actually protest against her too. You just giving her special treatment, grow some thicker skin please. If you want to sue everyone who defaces people on the internet, expect to see all of humanity in jail. Wheter picking her is a fair decision or not, has nothing to do with people harrassing and cyber bully her regardless of her league | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:11 ChowChillaCharlie wrote: If it's for the sole purpose of sexual harrasment against someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it, yes? I wasn't aware that photoshopping images constituted sexual harassment, or that freedom of expression could be restricted based on subjects that were "deserving." | ||
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:12 Philosophy wrote: She is a gold player who got invited because of her looks. Did you seriously expect people to sit quiet? So you're saying basically saying "She got what she deserved"? Are you serious? | ||
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oniontaker
United Kingdom128 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:10 Kraznaya wrote: Not really a clarification considering that it's at odds with a lot of the facts presented in the OP. It seems like the line being voiced by Slayers fans is different from that being said on online forums. Whodda thunk. DC Starcraft are backing Jessica and distancing themselves from the guys who posted those images and comments. If the Korean 4chan, the online forum where a lot of the abuse was festering, is on her side about it, I think it's fair to say that the Korean-speaking fans understand what's going on... and it is consistent with the facts posted. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:12 UniversalMind wrote: Please explain the significant differences One is "I'm mad." The other is "I'm mad, so I'm going to ruin someone else's life." people do stupid stuff everyday cause they are mad, people kill each other everyday cause they are mad at each other. nations go to war cause of being mad at each other and kill each other And every single one of these is a tragedy. Asian cultures have a different perspective on ALOT of things western nations take for granted This is completely irrelevant to whether or not the ability to prosecute for internet posts is a good or bad thing. telling her to ignore people who write about raping and assaulting is stupid and there is something seriously wrong with you And you don't have an argument. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:16 oniontaker wrote: DC Starcraft are backing Jessica and distancing themselves from the guys who posted those images and comments. If the Korean 4chan, the online forum where a lot of the abuse was festering, is on her side about it, I think it's fair to say that the Korean-speaking fans understand what's going on... and it is consistent with the facts posted. Uh, what? Given the laws in Korea backing Slayers is the only option available to DCInside, regardless of what they actually think about the situation. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:06 Kraznaya wrote: Does that make photoshopping any public figure unacceptable now? You can't in south korea. The way the laws are written you don't need much proof for action to be taken against you. This seems to be something you and others are failing to grasp here how easy defamation is in south korea. | ||
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Morta
Germany557 Posts
On July 19 2011 18:18 Jiddra wrote: Feeding the trolls comes to mind. Yeah.this is like giving the trolls a huge ass feeding through with all that delicious stuff the trolls want. Just ignoring is the best you can do against trolls.They will loose interest sooner or later but with this step here they will have enough fodder to survive so much longer. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:12 Philosophy wrote: She is a gold player who got invited because of her looks. Did you seriously expect people to sit quiet? If she was a guy, none would care, people on team liquid would actually protest against her too. You just giving her special treatment, grow some thicker skin please. If you want to sue everyone who defaces people on the internet, expect to see all of humanity in jail. As I said above; Ofcourse sometimes special treatment is warrent... it's shit that we have to treat another human being differently because she was born different, but sometimes we do to remove it. A kind of paradox, what I am saying is; We need more woman in esports to make this problem go away, and to get more woman in esports we HAVE to show special empathy for them because right now it's a fucking hellhole of selfrightouss nerds who most of the time haven o girlfriend and no woman perspective. So yeah, if we treat her with special respect, then yes, it will go away in time when theres 200 girls, then you can start flaming them without anybody giving a shit. Until then I and many others will still defend the fact that it's not easy being a woman in esports. Clarification: I do not agree with people like kellymilkies who when failing as a person of knowledge just shows her body and goes "tihi atleast I can be pretty!" That is not what I want from "female" gamers and anything like that I wholeheartadly hate. | ||
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:15 ChowChillaCharlie wrote: So you're saying basically saying "She got what she deserved"? Are you serious? No she doesn't deserve the abuse, of course she shouldn't get abused for trying to play a game. But why people feel that they can justify the abuse is because she doesn't deserve her position, get better at you're job or don't expect a paycheck and adoring fans. | ||
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Jacko11
China146 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:19 Morta wrote: Yeah.this is like giving the trolls a huge ass feeding through with all that delicious stuff the trolls want. Just ignoring is the best you can do against trolls.They will loose interest sooner or later but with this step here they will have enough fodder to survive so much longer. No making them pay fines and jail is a good solution. It keeps them off their computer for awhile so you can have peace of mind without waiting for them to decide. | ||
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oniontaker
United Kingdom128 Posts
On July 19 2011 19:17 kzn wrote: Uh, what? Given the laws in Korea backing Slayers is the only option available to DCInside, regardless of what they actually think about the situation. Law or not, it's actually been consistent and even before she announced that she was going to pursue them. One of the abusers posted a handwritten apology, to which the replies were along the lines of scorn at the fact that he was an idiot for doing it in the first place. --- As for those criticising the decision to recruit her into the team, do all professional teams hire the best players in their prime? As far as I know, most top teams have academies that scout anyone with that flare to do well and help guide them to realise their potential. Wasn't this the dream that all fanboys had? That despite you're in Gold, you actually had the inherent ability... and it was noticed by important people... And all you needed was a small bit of training with the gods of the sport to be able to join the top flight? | ||
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archonOOid
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
I think she should have done some statement of some kind but not taking legal actions... | ||
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