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On July 19 2011 18:40 RANDOMCL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:01 DigitalisDestructi wrote:On July 19 2011 17:54 RANDOMCL wrote:On July 19 2011 17:40 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Multiple suicides are stemmed from being bullied, and there are cases where kids hanged themselves because "their skins aren't thick enough on the internet." Different nurture = different mentality.
It is thoughts like this that lead to others infringing on the rights of people everywhere. Denying someone freedom of speech is something I'll never tolerate. I am sure to avoid associating with anyone in favor of denying someone the right to say what they want. Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth. I've seen people start crying and threaten to kill themselves over someone telling them they are not attractive. Simply: "you're not attractive." If the person kills themselves, should the person who insulted them be held responsible? Because these insults are considered "more offensive", they should be punishable? You can't make laws based on the sensitivity of people. These things are subjective. What offends one person may not offend another. Creating laws based on something immeasurable and subjective is unfair to everyone. What offends you likely doesn't offend me. It has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with people. Law should not punish free speech. + Show Spoiler +I find the guy irritating at times, but that sums it up well. Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other. Do you think freedom of speech is measurable? Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights? Maybe we should just go back to the ancient age without laws and rules. EDIT: Put in the spoiler tag.  If you honestly think I am asking for an "ancient age without laws and rules", this discussion isn't worth having. That is a childish jump in logic meant to insult me, and shows a lot about your character. "Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other." Exactly my point. People deal with things differently, and outright banning people from speaking their mind infringes on their human rights. "Do you think freedom of speech is measurable?" Freedom is speech is measurable. You can say what you want or can't. "Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights?" Yes, we can (to the first). And yes, we can (to the second). You have them or you do not. Stopping people from saying what they want infringes on this. Another example, since you ignored the first post and a second hypothetical (seriously -- reread the first post, where I give the example): Person A insults Person X. A says X is ugly. X kills themselves. Person B insults Person Y. B throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Y shrugs it off and moves on. You're calling for punishment of person A, and not person B. Do you honestly not see the flaws with this kind of thinking? So, now we have person A arrested, and B goes free. The next week, the situation happens again, but in reserve. Person C insults Person Z. C throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Z kills themselves. How can you legislate that? The exact same scenario occurred twice, with different results. Punishing one and not the other? ... That is freedom of speech. The person REACTING is responsible for their OWN ACTIONS. You can't punish one person and let another go because of the end result. You're advocating for restriction of expressing ideas, the most primal and personal thing we have. That is ours. You have freedom to say what you want or don't. If you're just going to throw out another childish insult, save it. I won't bother responding unless you honestly attempt to understand what I am saying.
You don't understand that this is not only a matter of overreacting or not but what important is Jessica is protecting the young player who just got in the team, which is very vulnerable to flamers no matter who you are, what's your profession (e.g. soccer players, new workers,.....)
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She sues people over their opinion and many people in this thread actually support that.
I think these "mature people" in here don't actually understand what they're saying.
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On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho.
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On July 19 2011 18:55 Philosophy wrote:
She sues people over their opinion and many people in this thread actually support that.
I think these "mature people" in here don't actually understand what they're saying.
Learn to read the the thread instead of just the OP.
Like I said, these kids need to be punished for sexually harassing people over the internet.
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On July 19 2011 18:56 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho.
Oh don't worry the freedom of speech nerds still won't get what this is about.
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If Jessica really wanted to make something out of Eve, she'd be better off not giving a fuck about the internet trolls. I don't understand why she's so surprised of the criticism and internet trolls.
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Read the twitlonger link, makes more sense. Disregard this post a little bit. :d
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On July 19 2011 18:40 RANDOMCL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:01 DigitalisDestructi wrote:On July 19 2011 17:54 RANDOMCL wrote:On July 19 2011 17:40 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Multiple suicides are stemmed from being bullied, and there are cases where kids hanged themselves because "their skins aren't thick enough on the internet." Different nurture = different mentality.
It is thoughts like this that lead to others infringing on the rights of people everywhere. Denying someone freedom of speech is something I'll never tolerate. I am sure to avoid associating with anyone in favor of denying someone the right to say what they want. Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth. I've seen people start crying and threaten to kill themselves over someone telling them they are not attractive. Simply: "you're not attractive." If the person kills themselves, should the person who insulted them be held responsible? Because these insults are considered "more offensive", they should be punishable? You can't make laws based on the sensitivity of people. These things are subjective. What offends one person may not offend another. Creating laws based on something immeasurable and subjective is unfair to everyone. What offends you likely doesn't offend me. It has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with people. Law should not punish free speech. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwoqzb5R6vw& I find the guy irritating at times, but that sums it up well. Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other. Do you think freedom of speech is measurable? Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights? Maybe we should just go back to the ancient age without laws and rules. EDIT: Put in the spoiler tag. + Show Spoiler +
If you honestly think I am asking for an "ancient age without laws and rules", this discussion isn't worth having. That is a childish jump in logic meant to insult me, and shows a lot about your character.
"Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other."
Exactly my point. People deal with things differently, and outright banning people from speaking their mind infringes on their human rights.
"Do you think freedom of speech is measurable?"
Freedom is speech is measurable. You can say what you want or can't.
"Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights?"
Yes, we can (to the first). And yes, we can (to the second). You have them or you do not. Stopping people from saying what they want infringes on this.
Another example, since you ignored the first post and a second hypothetical (seriously -- reread the first post, where I give the example):
Person A insults Person X. A says X is ugly. X kills themselves.
Person B insults Person Y. B throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Y shrugs it off and moves on.
You're calling for punishment of person A, and not person B.
Do you honestly not see the flaws with this kind of thinking?
So, now we have person A arrested, and B goes free.
The next week, the situation happens again, but in reserve.
Person C insults Person Z. C throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Z kills themselves.
How can you legislate that? The exact same scenario occurred twice, with different results. Punishing one and not the other? ...
That is freedom of speech.
The person REACTING is responsible for their OWN ACTIONS.
You can't punish one person and let another go because of the end result.
You're advocating for restriction of expressing ideas, the most primal and personal thing we have. That is ours.
You have freedom to say what you want or don't.
If you're just going to throw out another childish insult, save it. I won't bother responding unless you honestly attempt to understand what I am saying.
So personal rights do not extend to protection against defamation? After all, everyone has a different tolerance to insults.
By the way, I didn't mean to "childishly" insult you with the whole ancient age thing. Just my inane use of rhetoric. I shall attain your level of *maturity soon enough.
*Not meant to be an insult.
Sorry for a short post. Debating is not my thing, man.
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On July 19 2011 18:56 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho.
send it to the OP
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Will only add more fuel to the fire tho...
Welcome to the internet.
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On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
Someone should add this to the op.
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On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
Thank for clearing things up! Send to OP plz
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On July 19 2011 18:56 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho.
but why she sueing the other guy who just give constructive criticism??
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not that it's EVE's fault but what can the slayers team expect when you recruited because of her skills and LOOKS..... she's a gold terran from what i can tell in her profile
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There were pics of someone photoshopped to porn...... Thats a criminal act, its defamation. Its illegal.. Whether or not someone takes action against it is up to them/their peers.
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On July 19 2011 18:54 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:46 videogames wrote:On July 19 2011 18:44 KeksX wrote:
Well I think when she goes to the cops it's their job to judge whether she is overeacting or not, not ours. Right?
I'm not going to have any opinion on this as I'm not even nearly related to that. And that is what some people here should do, too. You're right, people shouldn't have their own opinions. Ignorance is strength. You call it ignorance when you don't build an opinion based on rumors, stuff "you heard" but you don't actually know about? Do you know Jessica's intentions? Do you know how Eve feels? Do you know the history of online-flaming results? Do you know the suicides that were caused by things like that? Do you know how far these people actually went? Do you know what the police stated to these kind of issues? Do you know ANYTHING that makes YOU competent enough to have an opinion on that topic? If you have, go for it and judge. But if you lack important facts, then don't even dare to judge -_-.
An anonymous person called me names online, BETTER GO KILL MYSELF.
She needs to learn how the Internet works... or maybe I need to stop treating Korea like a first world country and more like China. Seeing how KespA operates, wouldn't be that hard to believe
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 19 2011 18:56 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho.
It doesn't clear things up, she also sued people who disagreed with her actions.
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On July 19 2011 19:00 vertical101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 18:56 EchoZ wrote:On July 19 2011 18:54 Xacez wrote:Here's some more information on the situation. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek+ Show Spoiler +I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Nice this like clears up the entire thread, should be added to the OP imho. but why she sueing the other guy who just give constructive criticism??
How do we even know that the guy is telling the truth? We have no evidence.
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On July 19 2011 19:01 Endure wrote:
not that it's EVE's fault but what can the slayers team expect when you recruited because of her skills and LOOKS..... she's a gold terran from what i can tell in her profile
That just has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand, be constructive with your post or get out.
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After reading enough of the thread, I understand what SlayerS_Jessica is doing. She is a very intelligent person and I am certain she will approach this with the appropriate attitude.
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It doesn't seem that Slayers_Jessica understands the internet.
All the most henious things are here, you just have to ignore them.
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