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Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
July 19 2011 09:34 GMT
#201
even though she is upset, which i understand. but the best thing is to just shut the hell up and ignore the flame hate
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 19 2011 09:34 GMT
#202
On July 19 2011 18:33 Jakkerr wrote:
Lol congratulations to team Slayers and Jessica.
This is the most stupid thing I've read this week.
Sure there has been some criticism but almost all off it was constructive because she doesn't seem to be that good.
If Slayers responds like this on the few troll posts that were there I really feel sorry for them T_T


How are you so sure that most of them were constructive?
Dear Sixsmith...
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
July 19 2011 09:35 GMT
#203
On July 19 2011 18:32 emc wrote:
isn't it funny? you make fun of a male and nothing happens and you make fun of a girl who has a friend with authority and suddenly you're screwed...

actually flash got these shits before and KT actually sued those idiots so i don't really know what you are talking about.
I hate all this singing
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 19 2011 09:35 GMT
#204
On July 19 2011 18:28 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Perspectives, people. You would think that defamation wouldn't be taken seriously, but it's actually considered a crime against personal rights. Living by common sense is nice and all, but it lacks clearly defined parameters. That's where laws come in. There bounds to be some loopholes here and there, of course, but at least it's something...

EDIT: I also believe BoxeR needs to talk to Jessica about this, if he hasn't already. Only the vilest of the insults should be taken to the law. No reason to impede fair criticism.


The Emperor will definatly know if it got out of hand and intervene when he thinks so. If he didn't stop her, he must be convinced that she is right...
... and you wouldn't doubt the Emperor, would you?
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
July 19 2011 09:36 GMT
#205
On July 19 2011 18:35 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 18:28 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Perspectives, people. You would think that defamation wouldn't be taken seriously, but it's actually considered a crime against personal rights. Living by common sense is nice and all, but it lacks clearly defined parameters. That's where laws come in. There bounds to be some loopholes here and there, of course, but at least it's something...

EDIT: I also believe BoxeR needs to talk to Jessica about this, if he hasn't already. Only the vilest of the insults should be taken to the law. No reason to impede fair criticism.


The Emperor will definatly know if it got out of hand and intervene when he thinks so. If he didn't stop her, he must be convinced that she is right...
... and you wouldn't doubt the Emperor, would you?

The Emperor protects.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 19 2011 09:36 GMT
#206
What? People being responsible for what they say on the internet? Well I never.....

I support Jessica to an extent. Some of the stuff she does i dont support. But if it has harmed to the point of distress, the cops are the way to go.

Haters gonna hate sure. But remember, not everyone is an anonymous person in the community, and when things get personal no matter how thick your skin is, it hurts.

Although, I think a court ordered public apology is all thats necessary as a punishment.. Nothing drastic please.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
July 19 2011 09:38 GMT
#207
On July 19 2011 18:36 FXOpen wrote:
What? People being responsible for what they say on the internet? Well I never.....

I support Jessica to an extent. Some of the stuff she does i dont support. But if it has harmed to the point of distress, the cops are the way to go.

Haters gonna hate sure. But remember, not everyone is an anonymous person in the community, and when things get personal no matter how thick your skin is, it hurts.

Although, I think a court ordered public apology is all thats necessary as a punishment.. Nothing drastic please.


I hate you
Please don't sue me /hide
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 19 2011 09:39 GMT
#208
I think she's a genuinely good person who cares about her team but this is a bit naive. She'll never win the war against trolls/haters. It's better that she just accept this as part of the internet instead of beating herself up needlessly over it.
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
July 19 2011 09:40 GMT
#209

On July 19 2011 18:01 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 17:54 RANDOMCL wrote:
On July 19 2011 17:40 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Multiple suicides are stemmed from being bullied, and there are cases where kids hanged themselves because "their skins aren't thick enough on the internet." Different nurture = different mentality.


It is thoughts like this that lead to others infringing on the rights of people everywhere. Denying someone freedom of speech is something I'll never tolerate. I am sure to avoid associating with anyone in favor of denying someone the right to say what they want.

Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth.

I've seen people start crying and threaten to kill themselves over someone telling them they are not attractive. Simply: "you're not attractive." If the person kills themselves, should the person who insulted them be held responsible? Because these insults are considered "more offensive", they should be punishable? You can't make laws based on the sensitivity of people. These things are subjective. What offends one person may not offend another. Creating laws based on something immeasurable and subjective is unfair to everyone.

What offends you likely doesn't offend me.

It has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with people. Law should not punish free speech.

+ Show Spoiler +


I find the guy irritating at times, but that sums it up well.

Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other. Do you think freedom of speech is measurable? Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights? Maybe we should just go back to the ancient age without laws and rules.

EDIT: Put in the spoiler tag.


If you honestly think I am asking for an "ancient age without laws and rules", this discussion isn't worth having. That is a childish jump in logic meant to insult me, and shows a lot about your character.

"Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other."

Exactly my point. People deal with things differently, and outright banning people from speaking their mind infringes on their human rights.

"Do you think freedom of speech is measurable?"

Freedom is speech is measurable. You can say what you want or can't.

"Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights?"

Yes, we can (to the first). And yes, we can (to the second). You have them or you do not. Stopping people from saying what they want infringes on this.

Another example, since you ignored the first post and a second hypothetical (seriously -- reread the first post, where I give the example):

Person A insults Person X. A says X is ugly. X kills themselves.

Person B insults Person Y. B throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Y shrugs it off and moves on.

You're calling for punishment of person A, and not person B.

Do you honestly not see the flaws with this kind of thinking?

So, now we have person A arrested, and B goes free.

The next week, the situation happens again, but in reserve.

Person C insults Person Z. C throws out every racist, hateful, sexist, insulting thing they can think of, and Person Z kills themselves.

How can you legislate that? The exact same scenario occurred twice, with different results. Punishing one and not the other? ...

That is freedom of speech.

The person REACTING is responsible for their OWN ACTIONS.

You can't punish one person and let another go because of the end result.

You're advocating for restriction of expressing ideas, the most primal and personal thing we have. That is ours.

You have freedom to say what you want or don't.

If you're just going to throw out another childish insult, save it. I won't bother responding unless you honestly attempt to understand what I am saying.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 19 2011 09:41 GMT
#210
On July 19 2011 18:36 FXOpen wrote:
What? People being responsible for what they say on the internet? Well I never.....

I support Jessica to an extent. Some of the stuff she does i dont support. But if it has harmed to the point of distress, the cops are the way to go.

Haters gonna hate sure. But remember, not everyone is an anonymous person in the community, and when things get personal no matter how thick your skin is, it hurts.

Although, I think a court ordered public apology is all thats necessary as a punishment.. Nothing drastic please.


I don't know... that photoshopped hardcore porn pic would imho deserve a day of cleaning toilets with a toothbrush...
For other posts, yes, a public apology would be fine, but some of the stuff is going a little too far.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
July 19 2011 09:42 GMT
#211
given what i've read, she is overreacting big time, not very good press for Slayers imho.
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Lutto
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden198 Posts
July 19 2011 09:42 GMT
#212
She is going to far and its hurting SlayerS more than she will ever realise... You must be able to take flame and be criticized, dont give in to the haters and just prove evryone wrong by winning instead of putting time and monmey etc on this crap.
Lutto @ Battlenet
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
July 19 2011 09:43 GMT
#213
I <3
Jessica and Eve ( SlayerS )

Don't mind the trolls..
They are just ppl with problems that hate on the internet because they're losers.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 19 2011 09:43 GMT
#214
her behavior makes sense if you consider her age. She is older then the rest of the team and maybe she feels like being a mother to them and therefore she wants to protect them at all costs. I`m honestly very curious how this ends.
keep it deep! @zulison
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 09:44:32
July 19 2011 09:44 GMT
#215
Well I think when she goes to the cops it's their job to judge whether she is overeacting or not, not ours. Right?

I'm not going to have any opinion on this as I'm not even nearly related to that. And that is what some people here should do, too.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
July 19 2011 09:44 GMT
#216
The team doesn't need this kind of bullshit right now.

Seriously, this whole issue is becoming increasingly irritating and she's only escalating it further. Signing that girl was a stupid publicity stunt that didn't benefit the team at all (and likely never will), and the backlash is only going to get worse now.

I just don't understand, why what how did that idea even come up in the first place, it makes no sense. Why do that? -_-
videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
July 19 2011 09:44 GMT
#217
Troll successful.
>
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
July 19 2011 09:45 GMT
#218
this incident makes me less of a slayers(_jessica) fan
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
July 19 2011 09:45 GMT
#219
I can understand her getting mad over sexual comments and pictures, but everything else? IMO before she made a decision to add Eve, a gold league player, to a professional SC2 team, she had to realize that she would be getting a lot of very valid criticism and be ready for that.

But it is the stalking of a 16 y.o. who said that her English was bad (which it is, incidentally) that I think is completely over the top. Her behavior in this case is in fact worse that the behavior of those who are merely expressing the opinions that she doesn't like, even if it is in a rude fashion.
SaberNodoka
Profile Joined June 2011
151 Posts
July 19 2011 09:46 GMT
#220
Just calm down Jessica.
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