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On July 09 2011 15:58 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses. ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?
Maybe if they shortened the intro videos for the players and removed the god damn hour long break, they might, just might, be able to squeeze some extra content in. If that's the case they can have Incontrol/Gretrop and Tastosis alternate the commentary.
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I did a search, but it didn't pull up anything relevant.
Will they be releasing a replay pack of the finals games?
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Things like Day[9] sounding like Cho'Gath are all evidence to suggest that there has been a lack of beta testing in the system. Honestly, NASL just needs a little more experience (which I agree, shouldn't be realized only just now)
Equalize every audio feed, EQ main mics, balance the audio and then most importantly, send the orchestrated sound in equal amounts out of your Left and Right. I really don't know how that wasn't fixed all day. Sort of embarrassing really, but oh well, great games NASL, I still love you.
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Indeed, we have seen many tournaments do 32player bo5 tournament over 3 days.. I mean the NASL is doing 16 players on top of that your saying they cant fit in a bo5? I don't see what they are going to do on the final day when there is only a few games to be played? will it only go for a few hours or will it go for the whole day with 5hour long breaks?
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On July 09 2011 15:58 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses. ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?
The likelyhood of all 8 series going all 5 games and the average game length being 20 minutes is almost nonexistent.
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for me
-2 hours ( maybe more ) delay at the start
-so why is gretorp and incontrol casting so many games when they have day9 and tastetosis and they can mix the 3 of them all the time?
-terrible observing by this i mean TERRIBLE
-no hp bars ( no comment )
-complete waste of time with this intros and pre-game interviews they are nowhere near hyping or interesting
-sounds issues bla bla
-players looked so creepy in the booths
-why do i have to hear the audience when the game is played?
-format is no comment also
-pretty sure they won't release vods or reps for free to compensate which makes it even worse
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illsick
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On July 09 2011 16:08 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.
NASL was a let down.. i agree that the NASL showing was pretty piss poor, but honestly, the people complaining about the format are just upset fans who thought their favorite player deserved a second chance. there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament. i'm sure they could've definitely fixed the seeding but i'll say it again, there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament
People are more concerned about seeing more good games rather than if it's fair. If someone gets beat in a bo1 I would still consider that fair
I'm an MC fan so I'm not complaining about my favorite player needing a second chance. But I would like to see more games from those that are eliminated. Perhaps someone got matched up with the best player in the first round but they might be the second best player in the tournament. Or maybe I like to see how the people that were eliminated fair off against the other players besides that one person he lost to.
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On July 09 2011 16:12 zala2023 wrote:
Maybe if they shortened the intro videos for the players and removed the god damn hour long break, they might, just might, be able to squeeze some extra content in. If that's the case they can have Incontrol/Gretrop and Tastosis alternate the commentary.
yes, i agree the nasl wasted a lot of time but i'm talking about in general. it's not practial to increase the running time of a tournament by 66% on pure content just so a player can be eliminated in 3 games instead of 2.
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On July 09 2011 15:35 Milkis wrote:
Watching this event makes me appreciate how professionally run MLG Columbus was.
Overall, the amount of delay between games were pretty inexcusable when they only had to prepare one game at a time... It's almost as if there was a power outage between every match.
I can't believe we used to think 45 minutes of waiting during the Flash versus Jaedong power outage was a long time... We literally had to wait for three fucking hours at one point without so much as an acknowledgement let alone apology from the shitty organisers.
As for suggestions - don't charge us $25 for such a crap product next time.
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On July 09 2011 16:15 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 16:08 johnnyspazz wrote:On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.
NASL was a let down.. i agree that the NASL showing was pretty piss poor, but honestly, the people complaining about the format are just upset fans who thought their favorite player deserved a second chance. there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament. i'm sure they could've definitely fixed the seeding but i'll say it again, there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament People are more concerned about seeing more good games rather than if it's fair. If someone gets beat in a bo1 I would still consider that fair I'm an MC fan so I'm not complaining about my favorite player needing a second chance. But I would like to see more games from those that are eliminated. Perhaps someone got matched up with the best player in the first round but they might be the second best player in the tournament. Or maybe I like to see how the people that were eliminated fair off against the other players besides that one person he lost to.
Best of one fair? LOL. So if nestea got cheesed out a tournament by combatEX you would call that fair?
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On July 09 2011 16:21 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 16:15 illsick wrote:On July 09 2011 16:08 johnnyspazz wrote:On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.
NASL was a let down.. i agree that the NASL showing was pretty piss poor, but honestly, the people complaining about the format are just upset fans who thought their favorite player deserved a second chance. there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament. i'm sure they could've definitely fixed the seeding but i'll say it again, there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament People are more concerned about seeing more good games rather than if it's fair. If someone gets beat in a bo1 I would still consider that fair I'm an MC fan so I'm not complaining about my favorite player needing a second chance. But I would like to see more games from those that are eliminated. Perhaps someone got matched up with the best player in the first round but they might be the second best player in the tournament. Or maybe I like to see how the people that were eliminated fair off against the other players besides that one person he lost to. Best of one fair? LOL. So if nestea got cheesed out a tournament by combatEX you would call that fair?
Yes. It is fair. Unless one player starts with more minerals than the other - then what's the issue? It's just not satisfying.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On July 09 2011 16:21 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 16:15 illsick wrote:On July 09 2011 16:08 johnnyspazz wrote:On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.
NASL was a let down.. i agree that the NASL showing was pretty piss poor, but honestly, the people complaining about the format are just upset fans who thought their favorite player deserved a second chance. there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament. i'm sure they could've definitely fixed the seeding but i'll say it again, there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament People are more concerned about seeing more good games rather than if it's fair. If someone gets beat in a bo1 I would still consider that fair I'm an MC fan so I'm not complaining about my favorite player needing a second chance. But I would like to see more games from those that are eliminated. Perhaps someone got matched up with the best player in the first round but they might be the second best player in the tournament. Or maybe I like to see how the people that were eliminated fair off against the other players besides that one person he lost to. Best of one fair? LOL. So if nestea got cheesed out a tournament by combatEX you would call that fair?
If the rules states that it was bo1, I would consider it fair. If Nestea beat combatex in a bo1 it would be fair too but it doesn't necessarily mean I think the best player won. Just like in a ladder game, if someone beats another person... he beat him fairly be it cheese or not.
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On July 09 2011 16:21 EnderCraft wrote:
Best of one fair? LOL. So if nestea got cheesed out a tournament by combatEX you would call that fair?
you make it sound like cheeses = auto-win. it's possible to defend against a cheese. so if in a bo1 nestea got eliminated because of a cheese and he didn't play safely, i would consider it fair.
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I agree, the single elimination finals isn't ideal, especially for a Bo3. Still, I think the event has been fantastic so far. There were some technical issues at first, but they were mostly resolved by the end of the night, and the production value was good.
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My biggest complaint would probably be the length of time. 8 matches in 12 hours. That's just ridiculous.
Also, the sound was bad. Actually, bad doesn't even begin to describe it. However, I know some have mentioned that they don't want to hear the audience during the matches. I can't agree with that. I love hearing the audience reaction during an SC2 match, and it really sucks that competing tourneys (I'm looking at you GSL) don't have it.
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On July 09 2011 16:29 Baby_Seal wrote:
I agree, the single elimination finals isn't ideal, especially for a Bo3. Still, I think the event has been fantastic so far. There were some technical issues at first, but they were mostly resolved by the end of the night, and the production value was good.
Good if you had nothing to do all day.
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On July 09 2011 15:46 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:41 ragnorr wrote:
The GSL dosent fly people from around the world to the finals tho. Its a monthly contest so i dont really see the huge problem there the bo3 format doesn't screw any of the players. do you honestly think a player has ever lost a bo3 because it wasn't a bo5? in a bo3 or bo5, the better player will win the series. sure it sucks to get eliminated after 2 games instead of 3 games but that's the player's fault for not playing their best. yeah, there could've been a chance the 0-2 player wins 3 games in a row and wins the bo5 3-2 but it's highly unlikely.
So you're telling us there was never one occasion in the history of Starcraft where a player who was down 1-2 after the third game of a Bo5 came back to win 3-2 ?
It's just basic logic : the more games you play, the less chances the inferior player has of creating an upset.
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On July 09 2011 16:32 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:46 johnnyspazz wrote:On July 09 2011 15:41 ragnorr wrote:
The GSL dosent fly people from around the world to the finals tho. Its a monthly contest so i dont really see the huge problem there the bo3 format doesn't screw any of the players. do you honestly think a player has ever lost a bo3 because it wasn't a bo5? in a bo3 or bo5, the better player will win the series. sure it sucks to get eliminated after 2 games instead of 3 games but that's the player's fault for not playing their best. yeah, there could've been a chance the 0-2 player wins 3 games in a row and wins the bo5 3-2 but it's highly unlikely. So you're telling us there was never one occasion in the history of Starcraft where a player who was down 1-2 after the third game of a Bo5 came back to win 3-2 ? It's just basic logic : the more games you play, the less chances the inferior player has of creating an upset.
this.
In poker luck determines one hand, however skill determines multiple number of hands.
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I think the sound is the biggest issue that needs to be completely overhauled by tomorrow.
It's a bit late for everything else to be saved.
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For me the Biggest issue was the Audio, there really is no excuse for it being as bad and unbalanced as it was. Also with as much Downtime as there was to fix it... why didn't that happen? At this point I have to assume NASL has nobody like as Sound tech working with them and they desperately need it. I've been noticing sound issues with NASL for awhile so this definitely drove me up the wall that they seem oblivious to the problem.
I can agree with what others are saying about the Bo3 format, but I'm not overly worried about that as it's totally a style thing. I mean after all Bo3 is a pretty standard format across SC so it's reasonable.
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