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Ultimate Weapon
Profile Joined July 2011
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:53:14
July 09 2011 06:16 GMT
#1
Please post all your comments, constructive criticisms, and suggestions 
about the NASL here. Don't just whine and complain, give your suggestions
for improvement. Keep the LR threads for live reporting.


Congratulations on the first day NASL. Good job considering this is your first time to go live. It's ok to start a bit scratchy, just finish with a bang! Thanks for this awesome event!

Areas that need improvement:

Day 1 July 8th, 11:00 PDT
+ Show Spoiler +
General/Organizational
  • Please start reasonably on time. We understand inevitable delays, but 2 hours is pushing it.
  • (related to above) This means that you have to prepare ahead of time. Do all your check multiple times and within a good amount of time before the start of event and not just 5 minutes before the event. That way, in case there are any glitches or something needs to be repaired, you have enough time to adjust without compromising the schedule.
  • In case of inevitable delays, please give a courtesy information to the fans and audience. Be honest, it's cool.We understand you are doing all you can and we can wait 2 hours if that's what it takes. Just don't leave us hanging.
  • Please have some fill videos during downtimes or when there are technical repairs going on (read: Boxer vs MC). It could be a behind the scenes of the players and organizer. I'm sure people would rather see that than the casters awkwardly trying to keep the audience in with weird ad lib stories, dull jokes, and what not.
  • Better organization with the transitions (i.e. have players check the booth while the hype video is being played and just make them enter again for their introductions).
  • Better and shorter hype intro videos for players.
  • Short message from the players just before the game starts just for hype.
  • Please prepare the interviews better. Ready the questions. Ready the mic. Ready the translator.
  • While ladies doing the interviews is fine, would it be better if the winners (along with the translators) were interviewed by the casters after the game, on the desk preferably. The casters for sure would know more about the game and make for a better conversation with the players.
  • Can we have Tastosis on the big games (Boxer!)? Please.
  • Can the booths be more aesthetic? They look like a... cabinet.
  • As almost everyone is saying, maybe better Ro16 format next season

Technical
  • Day9 please don't scream with the mic very close to your mouth! It hurts our ears. Learn how far the mic should be away to properly broadcast.
  • Put the main camera on tripod and stop messing with it. It has to be stable and centered.
  • Balance the audio levels of casters. Sometimes 1 caster is too loud while the other is barely audible
  • Balance game audio as well. Turn down music a bit so we could hear the casters
  • Better booth lighting. Unless the players prefer it that way.

Game Related
  • Get an obs who more or less knows the game. The obs early in day 1 was nowhere near where the action is. Sometimes it also jumps from screen to screen too fast. It seems ok later in the event though.
  • Please show healthbars before and after engagements
  • (or) Click on buildings and army especially before and after the engagement. We need to see it's health and upgrade status.


Day 2 July 9th, 11:00 PDT
+ Show Spoiler +

______________________

For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?
(Ro8 onward would ideally be Ro5 and finals would be Ro7)

  • Bo3 Single Elimination
    As it is now. You fly all the way from Europe and get eliminated after 10 minutes.

  • Bo5 Single Elimination
    Similar to how it is presently, only it takes longer to get eliminated.

  • Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination
    The Bo3 or Bo5 is dependent on logistics here. What is important is a player gets a chance to even out in the tournament at Ro16.

  • 4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin
    Each player has at least 3 matches in the Ro16. Sudden death tiebreaker. Top 2 advance to Ro8.


Poll: For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?

4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin (362)
 
55%

Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination (212)
 
32%

Bo5 Single Elimination (56)
 
9%

Bo3 Single Elimination (27)
 
4%

657 total votes

Your vote: For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?

(Vote): Bo3 Single Elimination
(Vote): Bo5 Single Elimination
(Vote): Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination
(Vote): 4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin



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AmarIE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada4 Posts
July 09 2011 06:17 GMT
#2
PLease dont change casters so we know whos casting what
: D
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#3
Don't make us wait hours for a single game please.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
July 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#4
On July 09 2011 15:16 Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Please post all your comments, constructive criticisms, and suggestions 
about the NASL here. Don't just whine and complain, give your suggestions
for improvement. Keep the LR threads for live reporting.


Congratulations on the first day NASL. Good job considering this is your first time to go live. It's ok to start a bit scratchy, just finish with a bang! Thanks for this awesome event!

Areas that need improvement:

General/Organizational
  • Please start reasonably on time. We understand inevitable delays, but 2 hours is pushing it.
  • (related to above) This means that you have to prepare ahead of time. Do all your check multiple times and within a good amount of time before the start of event and not just 5 minutes before the event. That way, in case there are any glitches or something needs to be repaired, you have enough time to adjust without compromising the schedule.
  • In case of inevitable delays, please give a courtesy information to the fans and audience. Be honest, it's cool.We understand you are doing all you can and we can wait 2 hours if that's what it takes. Just don't leave us hanging.
  • Please have some fill videos during downtimes or when there are technical repairs going on (read: Boxer vs MC). It could be a behind the scenes of the players and organizer. I'm sure people would rather see that than the casters awkwardly trying to keep the audience in with weird off stories.

Technical
  • Day9 please don't scream with the mic very close to your mouth! It hurts our ears. Learn how far the mic should be away to properly broadcast.
  • Put the main camera on tripod and stop messing with it. It has to be stable and centered.
  • Balance the audio levels of casters. Sometimes 1 caster is too loud while the other is barely audible
  • Balance game audio as well. Turn down music a bit so we could hear the casters

Game Related
  • Get an obs who more or less knows the game. The obs early in day 1 was nowhere near where the action is. Sometimes it also jumps from screen to screen too fast. It seems ok later in the event though.
  • Please show healthbars before and after engagements
  • (or) Click on buildings and army especially before and after the engagement. We need to see it's health and upgrade status.

Misc
  • Please prepare the interviews better. Ready the questions. Ready the mic. Ready the translator.
  • Can we have Tastosis on the big games? Please.
  • Can the booths be more aesthetic? They look like a... cabinet.

This is looking less and less like an NASL discussion thread but more of a complain about NASL thread... Also asking for tastosis to cast the entire event is really dumb, they were invited to guest cast. I don't care if you don't like Inc/gretorp but man they have casted so many games and they better be able to cast at the finals.
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
July 09 2011 06:20 GMT
#5
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 09 2011 06:22 GMT
#6
On July 09 2011 15:16 Ultimate Weapon wrote:
  • Can we have Tastosis on the big games? Please.


For the record: I enjoyed InControl + Gretorp casting MC v Boxer. I think if you get past the fanaticism held for Tastosis, you'll find this complaint is one of personal prerogative.

Besides, define a "big game". Anything with MC? Anything with any Korean perhaps? All complaints I saw asking for Tastosis on "big games" basically sounded like "every game", when indeed there was no issue with other casters.

Otherwise: rest of the points seem fine. Major points that stick out for me were sound (which was amateur) and scheduling (long breaks, single elimination Ro16 over 3 full days, etc).
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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#7
On July 09 2011 15:22 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:16 Ultimate Weapon wrote:
  • Can we have Tastosis on the big games? Please.


For the record: I enjoyed InControl + Gretorp casting MC v Boxer. I think if you get past the fanaticism held for Tastosis, you'll find this complaint is one of personal prerogative.

Besides, define a "big game". Anything with MC? Anything with any Korean perhaps? All complaints I saw asking for Tastosis on "big games" basically sounded like "every game", when indeed there was no issue with other casters.

Otherwise: rest of the points seem fine. Major points that stick out for me were sound (which was amateur) and scheduling (long breaks, single elimination Ro16 over 3 full days, etc).


Really? I guess you've never heard of Boxer. That's instantly the biggest game in any tournament.
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#8
Like some people said in the LR: Play the highlight montage while players are setting up in order to save time.

Also, would be nice if the videos would be about half the length.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 06:24:36
July 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#9
There were a lot of technical issues at the beginning of the show but they sorted themselves out by the end. Mostly.

Biggest issue is that they + Show Spoiler +
didn't rig it so Boxer won.


And make sure we can hear the crowd.
Broesly
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Romania157 Posts
July 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#10
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.


This!
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
July 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#11
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.

^

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Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
July 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#12
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.

Agreed. Just look at Ret. He's the number 1 seed, forced to play against open bracket winner, travels all the way to the US to play, gets beaten in 10 minutes, and thats the end of his tourny run...
~Terran For Life~
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 09 2011 06:25 GMT
#13
I think it would of been nice to have different maps, rather than just the same 3 maps over and over again. It got kind of stale towards the end. It would of been nice if the players also got some sort of veto.
blah blah blah...
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 09 2011 06:26 GMT
#14
If you don't need 4000 sound channels, don't buy audio equipment that has 4000 sound channels, and more importantly, 4000 sound channel button groups. It'll make the 11 (significantly less than my exaggerated 4000) things you're actually doing much easier to maintain.
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xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
July 09 2011 06:26 GMT
#15
As an audio production student, I don't understand how the audio had so many problems. Anyone with atleast a single year of experience with audio under his/her belt could have made it would better.

Any answers?
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
July 09 2011 06:26 GMT
#16
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.

While we are at this. Maps should be able to be eliminated, and have a losers pick afterwards. Whats the point of playing all the games on the same map. Also why is Ro8 only Bo3?
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 09 2011 06:27 GMT
#17
The format is fine, but I do think a BO5 would be better, you guys had a lot of downtime between matches anyways.

Other than that my main complaints are:

-The audio, fix it please.
-The observer, I don't know what happened, you guys had5 competent casters at least one of them could have served as an observer. Early in the day the observing was bad.
- Keep the camera steady please
-The interviews were okish, just try to be more prepared and check your mics.

Sorry if I sound nitpicky but you guys were improving a lot through the season and this felt like a huge step back. It was not bad, but it could have been way better than it was today.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
July 09 2011 06:28 GMT
#18
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.


I agree with this...

Double elimination would have been awesome

you live and you learn
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 09 2011 06:28 GMT
#19
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.


this...it just confuses me why a round of 16 is a bo3 when the cash pool is $100k. also it makes it even worse because the players had to play in the league for 9 weeks and some of them had to travel hundreds of miles like you said.
Kamuy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 06:29:27
July 09 2011 06:29 GMT
#20
On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:
Format
  • 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.


Please!! This game is too 'random', and I say that loosely, to travel as far as many did to get only 1 Bo3.

^ That goes for any competition really.
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