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On July 11 2011 11:56 sandyph wrote:
Still havent watched the sunday matches because the VOD system is really bad.
Which is kinda ironic since for that $25 you are basically paying for the VOD because the live stream is free to watch :-/
So I guess that's the last $25 NASL get from me unless they greatly improved the VOD delivery
LOL, I honestly almost paid so I could watch the Finals VODs, but if the VOD player is bad... I can definitely live without it.
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Beyond the same old suggestions that are being repeated, I have the following to say:
NASL needs casters that appeal to a wide audience and that work less with starcraft 2 fans only and say things that appeal to a larger audience. Tasteless and Artosis do this very well, though they have much more experience in this regard. I found that while watching previous NASL casts before the finals that the only time I really wanted to watch was when gretrop and incontrol weren't casting. Also saying certain things as a caster is very unprofessional, but I won't go into detail.
The timing of the NASL and it's planning was.. well... retarded. Don't adjust the schedule if you post it beforehand. Stick to the schedule.
Please stick to using interviewers that know the game, don't put sex appeal into this.
There were way to many pauses both during casts and outside of the games.
I would gladly purchase the next season if I see good changes being made for the NASL, and consequently the future of e-sports.
I see a lot of hate going on for the people who dislike incontrol and gretorp, and those who dislike the disliking people. Everyone needs to take a step back and look at this from the big picture, we want e-sports to grow, which means we need casters to either respect certain necessary requirements, or cease until they can.
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On July 11 2011 11:50 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 10:59 eqez wrote:
Next time lower the prize pool and hire a production team that can do a nice stage setup with nice booths and good video and audio production.
I really dont care how much the prize pool is i want a tournament that is fun to watch. Like HSC I am pretty sure that the people actually competing in this don't agree with you. Some of the top players probably wouldn't fly over to compete if the prize pool wasn't as high as it is. This seems like common sense to me...
Isnt an MLG 10K? People come for that...
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I know this has been stated many times but this is to show how many people disagreed w/ NASL's decision on who casted the finals.
I understand why incontrol and gretorp casted the finals. They casted during almost all of NASL's season. They worked hard and deserved it. However, it doesn't matter that they deserved it. When it comes to an event like this, it matters what the community wants and the majority of them preferred tastosis. NASL needs to listen to the community and give the community what they want.
I'm not saying incontrol or gretorp did a bad job. I like them as casters and players. However, they are not better than tastosis or day9 (most people agree). Majority of the community wanted tastosis to cast the finals so NASL should have gave the casting to tastosis.
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On July 11 2011 11:10 RowdierBob wrote:
I've really liked NASL. Considering the limited resources they've had at their disposal, it's been a great effort to get it to where it is.
One thing I'd suggest is using an industrial designer (if possible) for the offline event. It looks a bit drab and dull on the stream when you see the stage and the boothes. There's definitely scope to glam it up a bit!
I actually attended the finals (HOLY SHIT PICTURES W/ BOXER!@@!#@!#!@), and the room for the games, while a little bit bland, fullfilled its purpose quite well. Sure it isnt as glamorous as GSL, but it gets the job just fine, and you dont really notice it too much while your there, your just not paying attention to it
But then again, imo, things are beatiful if it does its job correctly and well. /shrug
And since i was at the live event, i had absolutely no problems with the stream, and it was AWESOME! Awesome job to NASL for setting up a great live event!
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On July 11 2011 12:09 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 11:50 Perseverance wrote:On July 11 2011 10:59 eqez wrote:
Next time lower the prize pool and hire a production team that can do a nice stage setup with nice booths and good video and audio production.
I really dont care how much the prize pool is i want a tournament that is fun to watch. Like HSC I am pretty sure that the people actually competing in this don't agree with you. Some of the top players probably wouldn't fly over to compete if the prize pool wasn't as high as it is. This seems like common sense to me... Isnt an MLG 10K? People come for that...
It's 5 k for first, the Koreans certainly didn't come prior to the exchange program and probably won't come unless they're one of the 4 being seeded. Likewise several top Europeans don't make the trip unless there here for other stuff.
For example, Sen rarely goes. I think he went to one(?) last year but he's here for the next because he was also here for NASL. White-ra came for one but can't justify coming out for every one. Morrow came for the last one but has publicly stated he wont be back for the next because of having to play through the open bracket.
Liquid usually sends as many players as they can to each, but liquid is liquid, not every team can get their players into a korean pro-house either.
Regardless of if they would come, they shouldn't but they don't have a choice, the number of tournaments despite exploding in recent times are still of the production first, prize pool later philosophy and so the players even if they win barely make more then the plane ticket in winnings.
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On July 11 2011 12:26 Nighthawks28 wrote:
I know this has been stated many times but this is to show how many people disagreed w/ NASL's decision on who casted the finals.
I understand why incontrol and gretorp casted the finals. They casted during almost all of NASL's season. They worked hard and deserved it. However, it doesn't matter that they deserved it. When it comes to an event like this, it matters what the community wants and the majority of them preferred tastosis. NASL needs to listen to the community and give the community what they want.
I'm not saying incontrol or gretorp did a bad job. I like them as casters and players. However, they are not better than tastosis or day9 (most people agree). Majority of the community wanted tastosis to cast the finals so NASL should have gave the casting to tastosis.
I can def agree with this
I have no problems with incontrol an gretorp but for the finals i really wanted the casting archons or at least day9 sigh oh well maybe next time
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On July 11 2011 12:09 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 11:50 Perseverance wrote:On July 11 2011 10:59 eqez wrote:
Next time lower the prize pool and hire a production team that can do a nice stage setup with nice booths and good video and audio production.
I really dont care how much the prize pool is i want a tournament that is fun to watch. Like HSC I am pretty sure that the people actually competing in this don't agree with you. Some of the top players probably wouldn't fly over to compete if the prize pool wasn't as high as it is. This seems like common sense to me... Isnt an MLG 10K? People come for that...
It's also MUCH shorter.
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Personally, I like the current tournament format as is. I think NASL should ask for feedback from all players that participated in season one online. Maybe poll the players and ask if doing RO16 Bo5 & RO8 Bo5 would be an improvement. I do not like double elimination because it makes the event longer. NASL was barely able to fit the current format into 3 LONG days of content. Have a 2ND group stage is just bland. We have watched 8-9 weeks of group stage already, no need to extend that. If it were me I would do it this way.
Friday- RO16
Saturday RO8 R04, entertainment to follow
Sunday 3rd place, grand final, entertainment to follow
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Better lighting on the commentators would go a long way. I could match the results you're getting in your studio in my living room. Whenever you flash to commentators, it looks bad. The production quality just isn't there. Improving that lighting will make a huge difference.
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when will temp0's new song be up? 
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On July 11 2011 12:09 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 11:50 Perseverance wrote:On July 11 2011 10:59 eqez wrote:
Next time lower the prize pool and hire a production team that can do a nice stage setup with nice booths and good video and audio production.
I really dont care how much the prize pool is i want a tournament that is fun to watch. Like HSC I am pretty sure that the people actually competing in this don't agree with you. Some of the top players probably wouldn't fly over to compete if the prize pool wasn't as high as it is. This seems like common sense to me... Isnt an MLG 10K? People come for that...
I think a prize pool of $50K would be sufficient, with this breakdown:
1st $20k
2nd $10k
3rd $5k
4th $3k
5-8 $2k
9-16 $1k
If they decided to keep the $100K prize pool, double all the numbers above. The prize pools need to be spread out a bit more I think.
I definitely would NOT do the $200K they have planned for season 3 I think? I remember iNc saying that there was $400K total.
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They need to cut the corner with the downtime and put more games on the first and second day IMO. And please be correct with your schedule, 4 pm is 4 pm, not 2:30 pm.
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The caster debate will go on and on forever since in most cases it seems to come down to preference. While there are casters that could flat out be considered bad, I don't think Gretorp and InControl are two of them.
Just to say, I think they did a wonderful job with the final series. I hadn't watched much of them through the actual season (I didn't watch much of the actual season at all actually due to time) but they seemed genuinely excited and fairly informative. I couldn't really understand why so many fans were slamming them so hard. Is it just because they aren't Tastosis?
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Glad I didn't pay for it, even though I was pretty busy and missed some games I wanted to see live... looks like some serious growing pains for NASL. Each issue on its own is not such a big deal, but when you combine a lot of them together and it seriously affects the overall experience.
Random notes: 1. Good job of attracting players to attend 2. Gretorp/Incontrol aren't a very good casting combo, with the former being borderline un-listenable, pair Incontrol with someone else 3. I would be annoyed if I had paid 4. interviews weren't very good (even taking the audio level problems into account)
The best part: unsurprisingly, the games (at least the ones I was able to catch)
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I'm buying my ticket for NASL 2 but I really hope for some of the following:
Better finals format. (The BO3s and player intros were annoying, everything else including Lindsey were amazing!) Less kinks (especially sound quality) as well.
The open bracket player should NOT be seeded as 16th, I could see an argument being made for them seeded as 1st or 2nd, or even 8th, but definitely not 16th. The open bracket winner is ALWAYS going to be an absolute beast.
As for the season itself, I wish the players got a bit more money for playing all those many months, that's a lot of time commitment. Other than that I really enjoyed the format for the most part, although some games were lackluster due to the length of the season, but that's fine I think and can't be helped.
Edit:
And yeah, I love incontrol and gretorp but not as casters, they just practically never seemed to get excited. I'm not saying every game needs to be shouting into the microphone, but on occasion it's great to see casters really excited. Keeping around gretorp is fine, but I'm looking forward to a replacement for incontrol for sure.
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On July 11 2011 10:26 Stanlot wrote:
As cool as it is that Puma won his first major tournament today, I hope NASL considers removing the open tournament slot in the grand finals bracket of the coming seasons. If I'm not mistaken, the competitors of season 2 and on earn their spots through a qualifier, right? Then there should be no reason for anyone to complain about anyone making it to the finals because they'll have played through the entire league and earned their place. As skilled as Puma is, it feels a bit wrong in my heart that someone who didn't dedicate 9 weeks of group play to the tournament come in and swept the whole thing.
Again, I'm not saying Puma isn't skilled or that he didn't earn his place in the finals. He beat a whole host of amazing players in the open tournament and wiped out even bigger names in the grand finals to win it all. I'm just saying that perhaps there shouldn't be a slot for anyone to just play one day's worth of games to get in while the rest of the players had to play over a course of 9 or so weeks and ungodly hours.
I agree. They have had an open tournament for some of the invites for season 2. Why the hell do they have another open to put a person in the finals. The world cup would not have a second round of qualifiers to put someone in the playoffs after group stage.
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An idea for the seeding / open bracket problem:
On Day 1 of the finals, have a 1/2 hr selection show. The format:
Top 1-8 from the league get seeded as they normally would in a 16-player bracket.
Bottom 9-15 + Open Bracket Player are put into a selection pool.
Seed 1 gets to pick his opponent from the pool.
Seed 2 gets to pick from the remaining 7 of the pool.
etc.
This will much more fairly seed the Open Bracket player (who might be the strongest player of the selection pool, or might not be), who gets seeded according to how likely the top players in the league think they might be to beat him. For example, he might be the most fearsome opponent, and get seeded 9th accordingly (left to play #8). Or, he might be perceived to have won on a flukey run, and get picked by the tournament winner. Or, someplace (anyplace) in between.
It greatly rewards the top players, who get to choose from what they think will be their best match-ups, strongly incentivizing winning the regular season without outrageous bonuses like byes.
It strongly discourages match throwing to avoid seeding conundrums, because they no longer exist.
It creates extra entertainment and rivalries by forcing players to select opponents that they think they can beat.
And it provides an extra 1/2 hour at the start of the broadcast where players can be introduced to the fans before their games.
Thoughts?
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I watched day 2 with Sen games. It's nice that the live stream is free and all so I'll give them that, but I couldn't find anything good to say about the event. If you put 100k out there, tastetosis/day9, handful of koreans, you're going to get hits of course. But because the event was so poorly executed, I think NASL could've been way bigger than it was.
It almost seems NASL cut back on all the important production value to get their prize money that way, which I don't agree on. You need good content for good games. If you have poor content for good games, its just a waste of money.
I think NASL knows much of whats needed to be done because I think they were lacking money or something. It looked like a tournament held by kids lol.
Insure that all the technical difficulties will be gone next time around, place in a more attractive production, have casting be consistant too.
And its not just about the casters, its the camera man in the early games of day 2. the guy was moving too fast and it was completely chaotic. It looked like someone who was observing a replay on his own instead.
And at some point in the day, one of the games had a message saying inControl was a fat retard or something. What is this? Like I said, its like kids hosting the show or something. I just hope everything will get revamped, to the extreme where nothing looks like season one and become this professional masterpiece. I highly doubt NASL can correct themselves in time since apparently the people that make NASL possible are inexperienced in showbiz
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One think NASL can improve on is with their scheduling. The schedule changed so many times. And because of that I almost missed PuMa vs MC. Fortunately, I decided to wake up early. 
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