EPTNASL Event Discussion Thread - Page 46
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Kfish
Chile282 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On July 11 2011 07:08 dacthehork wrote: Even the caster area is terrible, with an obviously tacked on 30 dollar banner. They didn't even bother tacking it on besides at the corners so the top part droops down a bit. It's absolutely terrible and to "forgive" them is silly. A vinyl banner, with grommets and a finished edge costs between $8 to $10 dollars a square foot. That banner is in the $200 dollar range. The person that ordered it obviously didn't know what they were doing, because as you mentioned, they had no hooks or points to fasten it from and it was just pinned or nailed to the desk. They didn't use the grommets at all. Don't ask me how I know these things. | ||
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Rembot
United States137 Posts
On July 11 2011 09:58 Defacer wrote: A vinyl banner, with grommets and a finished edge costs between $8 to $10 dollars a square foot. That banner is in the $200 dollar range. The person that ordered it obviously didn't know what they were doing, because as you mentioned, they had no hooks or points to fasten it from and it was just pinned or nailed to the desk. They didn't use the grommets at all. Don't ask me how I know these things. How do you know this?!?!? | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
He didn't ask for these powers. Bust seriously that's pretty impressive. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
I will share my list of what I liked: 1. Casting.I have never seen Gretorp and Incontrol commentate before but I really enjoyed it. They both proved to posses a deep understanding of the game and the ability to translate this understanding in a reasonable and transparent way, overally seemed like intelligent guys and up to task, generally always had something sensible or interesting to say, they also had, in my opinion, a very good sense of humour. Also, I think they improved quite a lot over these 9 weeks. Commentary in finals games between MC and Puma was awesome imo. Overall, I really enjoyed their casting, highly entertaining. Tastosis, when they appeared for ro16, gave a really good piece of commentary as well. 2. Some people didn`t like the 9 weeks long format. There were some issues with the format, with ro16 especially, with the fairness of the qualification/advancement process also. Nonetheless, I think a really long qualification process is a good idea, I even think it should be long. Why ? Because when you see those 2 guys in the finals - you know what they had to manage to do to get there. When I watch OSL/MSL I get really hyped because these tourneys have stories. They are meaningful. How do you want to have such stories when you have a new champion every 2-3 months or so, like in GSL ? 3. Schedule (for group stage). Some people didn`t like the format of bo3`s a day and I can understand why but personally, I didn`t mind it at all. This gave the viewer a bit more freedom - for example, if I didn`t want to watch a particular match up or players, I could skip a bo3 and it was fine because there were 5 of them. If there were less, that would be far less viable. Also, because it took more time, some people could watch at least a part of it, instead of nothing. 4. I think the intro/teaser, while not the best in the universe, was really decent. 5. There were many good games. Really good games. There also were bad games, really bad games but there also were awesome games. 6. The setting for final games (3rd place & for championship) and the games themselves were really awesome, in large part due to crowd. The atmosphere was really great. Now, there certainly are some things that I didn`t like (schedule for ro16 with 1 hour downtime comes to mind) but I think there certainly is a lot to appreciate about NASL. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
It doesn't have to be super fancy but controlling the energy of the crowd and building momentum and keeping it is critical in a live event. The audience wasn't really into it until the finals. When MC's DT was in PUMA's mineral line the audience was shouting, "four! five! six!" actually transfixed on the game. They were really IN it at that point. And they really should've been into it like that starting at the round of 16. But they weren't because of the lackluster live production and poor pacing between games and sets. People go to live sporting events for the atmosphere and environment. At the end of the day it's up to the players of course, but you won't always have a grand finals like THAT. Half of it comes from production and good casters (Which you did have). | ||
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425kid
416 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
As long as they sit down and actually work out the bevy of issues they had the past few months im definitely looking forward to season 2. | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
It's hard to give any suggestions, because unlike MLG, NASL doesn't seem to actually be taking any of the issues seriously. The casters/crew/organizers seem to be taking the stance "it's good enough stop whining". The HUGE difference between these events is: MLG is a business venture where its owners/producers take great care to improve the quality of their service, to please their customers (and thus increase revenue). NASL - from everything even Incontrol himself posted earlier - seems to be some kind of friends' organization, where everybody is rubbing each others' backs ... Girlfriends get to do interviews (when there are Masters level very knowledgeable female SC2 players who do casting/interviewing for small tournaments, if they wanted more girls on the stage!!), Incontrol and gretorp get to cast over more popular casters. I don't know who did the lights/stage setup/camera work/audio, but I could bet it was somebody's brother/friend/grandmother, not a hired experienced PROFESSIONAL. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 11 2011 10:20 425kid wrote: MC and Puma saved this final. NASL has a lot of work to do for next season. gogogo This is how I feel. They were very lucky that Puma and MC decided to play one of the best Bo7 finals in SC2 history. The whole event was plagued by issues both little and big. I can only hope that they really learn from it and improve for the 2nd season. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 11 2011 10:22 DannyJ wrote: Gretorp for some reason was vastly superior live in front of tons of real people and 80k people online than he ever was during the regular NASL season. Really odd. As long as they sit down and actually work out the bevy of issues they had the past few months im definitely looking forward to season 2. Gretorp and Incontrol were awesome in the finals.I mean amazing games amazing crowd just pure awesomeness. They got sucked into something amazing and raise their standard to match the occasion. That's what happens man. You either fall down or you rise and boy did they rise. For all the shit NASL did wrong. That final was a spectacle of pure awesomeness. Big probs to Gretorp and Incontrol for not being overwhelmed. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
I've been working as a Graphic Designer for a little more than ten years, and a design manager for the past year. I have some experience managing and design web and multimedia projects, but most of it related to exhibits and graphics for themed environments, small-format print work, illustration etc. So I know quite a bit about large-format graphics, and how much it cost to make the most random things. They could have just clad and painted the front of the desks with black plywood so they could mount the banner flush against it. The overbuilt white frames on all the cabinetry was a goofy, random decision made by someone that didn't think through the design and function of the desks before construction. I wouldn't be surprised if those desks were heavy as hell. I can think of probably a dozen ways they could have done a better job with less money and less time. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 11 2011 09:32 Jiddra wrote: Well, according to SirScoots the NASL will charge every player 500 dollars for playing the next season, and they still don't know the details. So they are trying to get in cash for production. if they charge $500 dollars why would anyone come to that? they might aswell set it up themselves and play between them for the pot because each player giving 500 is half the prize pool. add in flight costs and its just not worth it. if its a deposit for less no shows and stuff then thats fine | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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UFO
582 Posts
On July 11 2011 09:52 ZergMaestro wrote: No fluff. Use the casters you fly in from korea more. inc, and gre are not as fun to watch as taste, and artosis. The sound was horrible as fuck. How is it possible to have that shitty of quality control with the sound? fire anyone who had anything to do with the sound. Less horrible awkward fucking singing. Get better interviewers. I mean I like to look at pretty girls and all, but im watching this to nerd out, and watch some fucking video games. Let artosis do the interviews. QUALITY CONTROL. QUALITY CONTROL. This is an example of a callous and one-dimensional evaluation. Yes, there were issues, it wasn`t perfect, maybe far from it but it wasn`t terrible either. Its just your ego loving to criticise and point out mistakes. Its not easy to produce an event like this. Its not hard either. Its insanely fucking hard. You speak like an incensed child raging at an adult for not giving him exactly what he wants and how he wants it, unable to understand that an adult is human as well. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 11 2011 10:33 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I thought the event was great and resulted in some great matches, commentated on by a great crew. My only complaints would be that the website didn't provide enough information about the event, and the matches started early on Sun causing people (including me and my friends) to miss almost all of the 3rd place series and ultimately decide to just watch from home. Running late can be annoying because of waiting around, but starting early will cause people to miss matches, which I think is much worse. I think they changed the times on sunday since they removed a lot of the Fluff allowing guys in European time zones to actually watch the finals. It was a good move they just should have announced the changes. The fact that they started to be flexible with their schedule was a massive plus for me and most Europeans. Many people were asking them to remove some of the fluff. On Sunday they did that and it was awesome  | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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pwnopotamus
United States70 Posts
Note: I was there live for Day 1 and Day 2...watched the stream for Day 3. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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