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Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
July 11 2011 00:17 GMT
#861
On July 11 2011 09:09 Werk wrote:
NASL finals > all GSL finals combigned

Yes, NASL was lucky with that. But you cant give NASL credit for it, pure luck.

Im really happy the graphics changed the last day.
PerkyPenguin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States99 Posts
July 11 2011 00:18 GMT
#862
Did anyone happen to catch the link Day 9 gave out @ the end? Something like twitch.tv/nasls2presale?
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 11 2011 00:18 GMT
#863
There have been several fantastic series durings the finals, which makes up for the problems with the production. I hope NASL learned its lessons and produces an awesome 2nd season, there is still so much potential.
jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:19:05
July 11 2011 00:18 GMT
#864
Just so that we are clear:

Everything in NASLs control (sound, production, interview quality, etc) sucked.
Everything out of NASLs control (games, crowd reaction, etc) were awesome.

Let us not lose sight of these facts as we make suggestions for improvement.
"It's like waxing your balls, it hurts like a biiiitch but after they are silky smooth...." -Kennigit
Ryuudou
Profile Joined July 2011
1 Post
July 11 2011 00:19 GMT
#865
The ending performance was freaking amazing. That rap/singing combo was so awesome. Those lyrics made me laugh so hard.

and Gj to PuMa for winning it all.
jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
July 11 2011 00:20 GMT
#866
On July 11 2011 09:19 Ryuudou wrote:
The ending performance was freaking amazing. That rap/singing combo was so awesome. Those lyrics made me laugh so hard.

and Gj to PuMa for winning it all.


Temp0 was great. Anna sang out of tune and "danced" awkwardly. Why would you end such a great final series with that?
"It's like waxing your balls, it hurts like a biiiitch but after they are silky smooth...." -Kennigit
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 11 2011 00:21 GMT
#867
On July 11 2011 09:18 PerkyPenguin wrote:
Did anyone happen to catch the link Day 9 gave out @ the end? Something like twitch.tv/nasls2presale?


Peiople say the link doesn't work, so I guess we can w8 for it to get fixed and announced on the website.
I am not young enough to know everything.
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
July 11 2011 00:21 GMT
#868
On July 11 2011 09:18 jenzebubble wrote:
Just so that we are clear:

Everything in NASLs control (sound, production, interview quality, etc) sucked.
Everything out of NASLs control (games, crowd reaction, etc) were awesome.

Let us not lose sight of these facts as we make suggestions for improvement.

Agreed. And I would suggest Double elimination like HSC did. That was just drama heaven <3 Also, good for players for some comeback.

All the games were awesome. Let's just remember them only-
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
July 11 2011 00:23 GMT
#869
On July 11 2011 09:18 jenzebubble wrote:
Just so that we are clear:

Everything in NASLs control (sound, production, interview quality, etc) sucked.
Everything out of NASLs control (games, crowd reaction, etc) were awesome.

Let us not lose sight of these facts as we make suggestions for improvement.


Agree with this, NASL better pay some people that are not amateurs to organize their stuff for season 2.
FakeLife
Profile Joined March 2011
United States41 Posts
July 11 2011 00:24 GMT
#870
I had some troubles with the stream lagging on the final day... Which is sad because the rest of the tournament, the quality had been really great. And of course, the sound was really horrible... Every other microphone someone picked up wasn't set up right, and volume levels took quite a while to get right.

However, for a first event, it was still quite good, and with all the troubles they've experience which they quickly fixed throughout the season, I can only assume that they'll have things working even better the second time around. I'll definitely be buying the pass for season two, $20 is nothing, and it's a lot of entertainment over three months.
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
July 11 2011 00:24 GMT
#871
Apart from major issues with sound issues during many points in the event, the rest seemed pretty sound. Looking forward to season 2 and a great show overall.
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provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
July 11 2011 00:24 GMT
#872
There is so many problems that I will only adress 2 of the major ones....( i wont include the tech stuff....cuz god i hope you know how bad it is, the sound is probably the worst thing really bad quailty)

- Too long breaks, Too long intros. The pacing of the show (its a show right?) is really bad due to this....no need to drone on and on it took you guys over 12 hours to finish of 8 games.....in GSL that takes about 2-4 hours....pacing

- More Info about the tournament in terms of scheduling, casters and easy access to brackets so ppl can plan and check out the games they wanna see....

-Everything production related (sound,lights, mics, camera etc)

-A good observer

Too lazy to type more and quite frankly youve had most of the major issues for weeks...it just follows you wherever you go.....wonder why?
......overall it was probably one of the worst sc2 tourneys ever to watch...
I didnt even care about the games due these issues....and thats a first for me considering the players that where playing are really good....

Im just a zerg
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
July 11 2011 00:25 GMT
#873
On July 11 2011 09:16 CEPEHDREI wrote:
so i still have to say Tastosis/pricepool(leads to big players) + epic games saved this tourney from being complete bulls***. The thing is thats still enough cause even if u fuckup everything people will watch your tournament just to see those games.

but still i hope they can make a huge step forward for season 2. thank you NASL for the best finals weve seen in sc2 so far.


They could have 33% of the prize money and all the big players would still come just look at MLG and all the others and used that other money to get more help in production.
acidbean
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany287 Posts
July 11 2011 00:26 GMT
#874
On July 11 2011 09:21 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:18 PerkyPenguin wrote:
Did anyone happen to catch the link Day 9 gave out @ the end? Something like twitch.tv/nasls2presale?


Peiople say the link doesn't work, so I guess we can w8 for it to get fixed and announced on the website.


[image loading]
jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
July 11 2011 00:28 GMT
#875
On July 11 2011 09:24 FakeLife wrote:
However, for a first event, it was still quite good, and with all the troubles they've experience which they quickly fixed throughout the season, I can only assume that they'll have things working even better the second time around. I'll definitely be buying the pass for season two, $20 is nothing, and it's a lot of entertainment over three months.


For a first event, assuming all the people involved had little to no experience with an event of this scope, I would say that they did an excellent job. That having been said, that is precisely where they screwed up. This should not have been the first event of this size that the majority of the people on their staff took part in. They needed a director/manager with experience. They needed experienced sound and lighting professionals. Yes, for a bunch of amateurs I'd say that they did awesome. Unfortunately, the is not the standard that they should and/or are being held to.
"It's like waxing your balls, it hurts like a biiiitch but after they are silky smooth...." -Kennigit
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:31:01
July 11 2011 00:29 GMT
#876
My criticisms:

Interviews: For Ro16 and even Ro8 matches, it is fine to have Anna interview the players as she is pretty decent at asking questions that are good enough. For semi-finals/finals, I feel like there needs to someone with better knowledge of the game interviewing the players (Day9/Artosis are the best options), as the series become larger with Bo5's, Bo7's, and the games become much less one-sided and develop into very back 'n' forth nail-biting series with victors barely edging out over their opponents.

The sound was awful. I wish I could be more constructive with this point, but there were just an innumerable amount of mistakes with audio levels throughout the entire event. The first day I had to mess with my sound levels every time they were messed with behind the scenes. Several times my volume was at 100% capacity and it was still inaudible. I couldn't hear several answers to interviewer's questions, left/right speakers were imbalanced, and all-in-all it was very frustrating as a viewer.

The delays. These things happen, but when viewers are kept in the dark, you are wasting a lot of their time. This isn't as huge of a deal with the existance of VOD's, but it's never a good thing (albeit unavoidable at times). All I can say here is try better next time, you did a good job near the end by filling up time with random interviews and different camera perspectives.

Format: This one confuses me the most. 9 weeks of round-robin format and then single BO-3's for people traveling across the world means that for some, they come to play for 10-30 minutes and that is it. One thing that sticks out in my mind is Ret getting first seed, having to face the open bracket winner (who is almost guarenteed to be a very strong player, and ended up being so). Ret potentially missed out on a lot of money.




Despite all this, I still really enjoyed the event. The semi-finals/finals were some of the best games in starcraft 2 to date (rivaling the TSL3/some GSL finals). Gretorp and Incontrol really hit their stride at this event, coming out with amazing energy, inciteful analysis, and humorous/fun chemistry. Tastosis and Day9 were great as always.

I will likely be purchasing next season (if time permits), but please be better prepared for your next live event (as I'm sure you will be).
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
July 11 2011 00:29 GMT
#877
When I enter the coupon code "NASLS2PRESALE", it says the coupon code is invalid. Am I missing something? Or are other people having this problem?
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#878
On July 11 2011 09:25 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:16 CEPEHDREI wrote:
so i still have to say Tastosis/pricepool(leads to big players) + epic games saved this tourney from being complete bulls***. The thing is thats still enough cause even if u fuckup everything people will watch your tournament just to see those games.

but still i hope they can make a huge step forward for season 2. thank you NASL for the best finals weve seen in sc2 so far.


They could have 33% of the prize money and all the big players would still come just look at MLG and all the others and used that other money to get more help in production.

I dont think it comes down to money. More about nepotism / who they hire. They just seem to not do anything competent in general and make choices less about delivering the best product and more about giving money/attention/plugs to people they like.

I mean they flew in tastosis and have day9 guest, but barely use them. It seems like a lot of bad decisions and less about money. I mean yeah maybe if they spent double the money and hired competent people it would work out well, but they could have used the money they had on competent people and it would work out well anyway.

It seems more like a lack of motivation to actually deliver the highest quality event. Rather make sure people they know from gosucoaching or w.e. get the jobs.

I mean they basically tacked on a banner to the front of the "caster stage" and didnt even bother to make sure it didnt hang down at all.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
July 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#879
I am an Audio Engineer and I live in San Francisco. I would be happy to do the sound next time if I had a place to stay and a stipend for food and what not. I am being honest, no troll, I am writing this from Wyoming were I am doing the recordings for the GTMF Orchestra.

I have a feeling they didn't have a sound guy and it was just some random person who thought it would be easy to run faders and auxiliary out-put's to a stream as well as live monitor's. I don't care enough to find a contact for NASL but if anyone reads this PM me and we can talk.
Being weak is a choice.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#880
On July 11 2011 09:29 Muffinman53 wrote:
When I enter the coupon code "NASLS2PRESALE", it says the coupon code is invalid. Am I missing something? Or are other people having this problem?


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