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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
July 11 2011 04:50 GMT
#961
I love NASL enough to dedicate this, my 300th post to them. Good job NASL.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
July 11 2011 05:02 GMT
#962
shaky starts on day 1, but it was smooth by the end. so much good will/hype/awesome created.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Lifter
Profile Joined April 2011
United States126 Posts
July 11 2011 05:06 GMT
#963
Mic levels??? Are you kidding me.. after so many complaints, you still can't manage to get them right in the finals interview with Puma? Anna's mic was fine but you couldn't even hear the translator at all.

Fire the sound guy already and get a new production staff. Put professionals in charge NASL, please.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
July 11 2011 05:19 GMT
#964
I liked the event mostly, amazing games and amazing casters (inc and gretorp included). Sure the obvious issues are there like the sound issues but I can live with that as long as it's corrected - stuff like that is just going to happen. My two big complaints are about scheduling and streaming.

The schedule changing was just terrible. When you tell people a certain game will happen at X time, you can't just make it an hour or 30 mins early - I feel horrible for the people that missed games because they started too early. The starting late happens, I get that. And when that happens people won't just miss games cause they are unaware of when they will happen - people cam gauge how far off the schedule you are and get an idea of when it'll start. You just have to release a schedule and get close, even run late but there's no excuse for going the other way and starting early.

My other main issue is the stream, which may be a jtv issue but it's worth mentioning. I paid $20 on day 1 so I expected HD for the season and finals but I often found myself on 360p and this weekend, experiencing major lag during battles. Now I realize most people had no issues, but some of the regional jtv servers had a ton of trouble all weekend and honestly too often during the regular season. I have good internet and no issues with almost any other stream so I don't know where the blame lies but it needs to be fixed for me to buy another season pass.

The great games and atmosphere made this one hell of an event, even with the issues. I look forward to season 2!
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
July 11 2011 05:20 GMT
#965
Idk i loved it. day 1 was shaky and all but....

honestly the games were amazing....like seriously almost every single one was amazing. Only person to get wrecked was Boxer, but you cant help but love it cuz its boxer.

Anna, Rachel, and Lindsey loook unbelivable good...hmmm delicious
. Underline ENT was fun to watch, the finals were epic.....casters were great.

Good job incontrol, gretorp, tastosis and ofc Day9.

Yes the sound was bad, but im sure the sound guy will either have learned, or they get a new one.

<3
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 05:25:22
July 11 2011 05:20 GMT
#966
Sound guy really needs to be replaced or his girlfriend/wife/family forced to randomly speak barely in whispers till he knows how it feels and becomes determined to be the greatest sound guy ever. The 20minute intro vidoes shown multiple times obviously need to be trashed and it seemed nasl got the idea finally and didnt show any for the semis/finals I believe. Bo3 in the first 2 rounds with single elim seems a bit harsh to the guys who flew all the way out there just to lose in 10minutes, maybe change that up.

Linsey needs to be forced to learn nothing more about sc2 so her interviews remain hilarious instead of boring. I personally enjoyed the cheesey aspects like the hot chicks and what not, nerds gotta have a little fun once in a while doesn't always have to be so srs. Um thats it, fun weekend, hope to see more.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 05:23:39
July 11 2011 05:23 GMT
#967
Based on a quote from the NASL Day 3 thread:

On July 11 2011 13:16 Quenchiest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 12:13 cusx wrote:
I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed


Please don't do that next time.


It's terrible that you missed it, but looking at the schedule one could have assumed it wasn't going to run the entire 8 hours. It was only scheduled as such so they had some sort of contingency and leniency with the timing.


Actually - no. They've had so much trouble and so many delays over the weekend that the only thing one could assume was that once they got their act together and things working, they'd actually stick to their schedule.

After their first rescheduling, I tuned in at 21:45 CET to find the first game played already, when the start of the match was scheduled for 22:00. I then went to bed around 23:00 when the finals were still set for 01:00, thinking it'd be too late to watch anyway, only to read this morning that they started at 23:30. Follow this thread to see lots of other viewers getting shafted by this. And you know what? None of this was announced officially. Sure, if I had F5'ed this thread's OP every 5 minutes or closely monitored some IRC chat, I might have noticed. But what about presenting such information where people may actually read it, like, on the stream? Nope. Nothing.

For the live audience at the venue, sure, this was cool. They didn't have to sit through 8 hours of random content to see a Bo5 and a Bo7. For thousands of viewers online, especially those outside the US, this partially or completely spoiled the event.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
July 11 2011 05:55 GMT
#968
NASL got lucky. The games were so good that they overshadowed all the production issues. Some people in this thread have said that is not luck because NASL was able to attract the best players that resulted in the best games. We have seen many times in the past that just having great players does not guarantee great games. The format of the tournament and the caliber of players you draw certainly helps, but it by no means guarantees the kind of games we saw saturday and sunday.

I have seen people from the community offer their support and offer to help NASL in threads, on shows (djWheat even did so today) etc... and they instead chose to go it alone. I don't know if that is pride, arrogance, or stupidity, but clearly from the production side it was not a good choice. There are alot of tech savvy people in this community who would be willing to help for little or even no pay, use these resources please NASL if you don't have the money to hire experienced staff.
OddFox
Profile Joined May 2010
10 Posts
July 11 2011 06:17 GMT
#969
Just my two cents but I wanna say that Gretorp and Incontrol have come a long way as casters and I far preferred this NASL weekend to the last MLG. I'll take mic issues over blaring commercials any day. Did anyone notice that the 'blown out' sound on incontrol's mic made it sound super epic everytime his voice went up during intense moments? same sound quality as oldschool horse-race commentators
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 11 2011 07:18 GMT
#970
On July 11 2011 10:29 Defacer wrote:
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On July 11 2011 10:02 Rembot wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:58 Defacer wrote:

A vinyl banner, with grommets and a finished edge costs between $8 to $10 dollars a square foot. That banner is in the $200 dollar range. The person that ordered it obviously didn't know what they were doing, because as you mentioned, they had no hooks or points to fasten it from and it was just pinned or nailed to the desk. They didn't use the grommets at all.

Don't ask me how I know these things.



How do you know this?!?!?


I've been working as a Graphic Designer for a little more than ten years, and a design manager for the past year. I have some experience managing and design web and multimedia projects, but most of it related to exhibits and graphics for themed environments, small-format print work, illustration etc.

So I know quite a bit about large-format graphics, and how much it cost to make the most random things.

They could have just clad and painted the front of the desks with black plywood so they could mount the banner flush against it. The overbuilt white frames on all the cabinetry was a goofy, random decision made by someone that didn't think through the design and function of the desks before construction. I wouldn't be surprised if those desks were heavy as hell.

I can think of probably a dozen ways they could have done a better job with less money and less time.

Thanks for this.

It also struck me how they splurged for the vanity cheques but there wasn't a NASL sign in sight on stage.

Anyways, the problems from my post in Day 1 persisted through Day 2 and 3. The good games don't change that. Congrats on finishing it out but yeah, there's still a lot of work to be done.
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Pred8oar
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany281 Posts
July 11 2011 09:46 GMT
#971
The games were so great that after the finals i almost forgot about the production.
But i have to say that it seems that they had a hughe budget but didnt spent it right.
The hall felt to big, htey flew in a lot of casters and didnt use them a lot, the interviews were crappy and the audio guy was asleep half the time. Also no double elimination and a lot of downtime.

As awesome as the finals were i somehow feel that it is unfair that a lot of players have been playing for months to qualify for the finals and didnt get any reward, instead someone who didnt play a single match besides the finals took all the prize money.

So i hope that NASL will improve in the future.
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
July 11 2011 11:02 GMT
#972
It's hilarious how quickly people have forgiven them after the finals. The only good part of the event were the games, and they had no control over that. Everything that went wrong was down to the NASL. Going to be interesting watching them mess up next season and people turning on them again.

The whole thing feels like they've hired all their friends and family, rather than getting people with experience.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 13:22:41
July 11 2011 13:20 GMT
#973
I think we should open a "brainstorm nasl" thread where we could invent the format of the next nasl (either nasl use it or not). I really feel the main problem of nasl, since the very first week, is they just don't think things enough or plan things enough. Seems they don't imagine what their decisions will look like concretely (fixed maps ? how could this idea go "live", I have no idea).

Next season will be 45 participants, I'm sure we could find a nice system for players, viewers and organizers. And same for the playoffs (well, not a lot of work there, either use bo5 or double elim, double elim would be better imo, this weekend showed that they could have a lot more games)
firalol
Profile Joined March 2010
United States51 Posts
July 11 2011 13:24 GMT
#974
I really hope they switch to a double elimination finals, there were far to few games played/showed for the amount of time they took up. Showing nothing on stream for 30minutes ~ an hour is pretty lame. Then switch to interviewing audience for some reason, I'm not really sure. It's not why I tune in to the stream. Good luck with next season!
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
July 11 2011 13:50 GMT
#975
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This is not a picture that shows the stage at it's best but still this is not even close to the same level.


Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
July 11 2011 14:00 GMT
#976
Just two things keep me from buying NASL 2. Battle Lag and Sound.

Battle Lag - During the big engagements, the stream turned into a slideshow. It's very annoying to miss the best part of the match. I don't have this issue on GOM, IGN, Day9 or any other streams.

Sound - I don't what I could say that hasn't already been covered. NASL really needs someone who knows what they are doing on sound. Please....

There are other small improvements that could be made. But the important thing is to broadcast the matches so we can hear and see them as intended.






meams
Profile Joined May 2009
United States41 Posts
July 11 2011 14:01 GMT
#977
Influ: Valid points --- but you must rememeber that the other tournaments have been around for a while. They have recurring sponsors, a more professional staff (sry nasl staff) and consqeuently - deeper pockets.

I think the NASL was working with the bare minimum of ammenities, so it was crucial they executed everything they DID provide correctly. Sadly, the sound was buggy (as mentioned), the stream laggy at times (as mentioned), and the format was terrible. Like others have said:

1) Huge breaks suck.
2) Make a schedule and STICK TO IT.
3) And most importantly ---- UPDATE YOUR GODDAMN TOURNAMENT WEBPAGE:

I think it is absolutely goddamn fucking pathetic that I have to come to Team Liquid to get ANY information about this tournament. Look: I understand that team liquid is the bastion of Starcraft information - the networking node that connects our souls and all that shit..... but SERIOUSLY. If you have a major tournament with a $50,000 first place prize, you think you could take the time at night to update your webpage for the next day. Scheduling, updated brackets, event developments, etc.

ITS A NOBRAINER. DO YOUR GODDAMN JOBS. I'm really glad I didn't buy a Season Pass. Some people will hate on me for criticizing so severely w/out contributing monetarily to the production of the event. Unfortunately for hte NASL (and many other producers), I don't relinquish my money until the product I'm purchasing is known to be in good working order. It is more than apparent that this product has defects.

In a world of perception, reality is irrelevant.
Gutrot
Profile Joined August 2010
122 Posts
July 11 2011 14:29 GMT
#978
As a paying subscriber for season one I would like to mention a few things.

Pros: Everyone and everything having to do with games, players, crowds.

The games between Sen and MC, and Puma and MC were AMAZING in my mind. July vs Sen was ok as well (zerg is just kinda meh to me, I know personal preference). I don't think Hollywood could have written a better script for the way the semi-finals and the finals played out. Trully epic. The casters were awesome, and the crowd was really into it. Explosive cheering for small things like a no gas getting scouted. The casting was amazing. Everyone loves Tastosis obviously, but Gretorp and Incontrol did great as well.

Cons: Im sure you've read it alot up to this point, but the only thing holding the tourney back from being the best in the history of SC (its still up there even with these cons) was the production.

The Sound as has been mentioned was seemingly always in flux. It would be to soft, then too loud, then too soft, then perfect, then too soft, then perfect, then too soft, then to loud, then perfect, then too soft. Arg! I was pretty dissapointed the 1080 was unwatchable, but he 720 was alright.

And the most annoying thing to me was waiting almost an hour between matches. As an online viewer I don't want to give up 8+ hours of my day to watch only 6-8 matches.
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
July 11 2011 14:46 GMT
#979
I think a double elimination bracket with bo3 up to quarters, bo5 in semis and bo7 in the final is the way to go. The sound and video issues can be attributed to inexperience I'm guessing, so I think NASL will fix that for the next season.

Beatiful women are nice but if they don't have the knowledge to go with it, it tends to create very awkward moments that are just hard watch. I think it's better to have the casters that aren't casting at the moment to conduct the interviews.

Skip the player intros and stream more games (should be no problem if you use a double elim bracket).

Good effort non the less, looking forward to the next season.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 11 2011 14:51 GMT
#980
The whole event itself was pretty awesome. I liked how there was always something to do. Watch players warm-up, hon/orb booth and raffle !
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