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Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
July 09 2011 06:52 GMT
#61
On the 9 weeks thing not only that but Open Tournament should be to get INTO the pool play not INTO the finals. Thats just freaking stupid. All that scheduling for the actual players for someone who didn't do that got into it from open and decides that he can take someone out in a simple bo3
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
July 09 2011 06:52 GMT
#62
More games, less breaks, test sound systems. You fix those three things and you got yourself a great event.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 09 2011 06:53 GMT
#63
Looking on the bright side of things, the intro for the finals with the player poses was great. So was the Puma intro.

Since I'm assuming the same guy did both of those, hire him and do away with the horrible 30 minute intros.
/commercial
Ultimate Weapon
Profile Joined July 2011
United States132 Posts
July 09 2011 06:54 GMT
#64
A little off topic, there seems to be no ban on the NASL LR? Good job guys!
God Young Ho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Particle
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
July 09 2011 06:56 GMT
#65
The 'hot' female interviewers were a joke.....Personally, I winced each time those women asked a single question. It quickly became apparent that they no very little about the game, and are there based on their looks. Would anyone agree, their presence on stage was nothing short of cliche and useless? Have the casters speak to the winner at the table....If a translator is needed have the translator sit down with the winner, the casters and the table.

Sadly, I feel compelled to disclaim that I am no woman hater; I don't want to but I am saying it anyway.

One last small bit of absurdity. Can Starcraft pros not summon enough mental fortitude to hold a microphone with their own hands, to their own face???? Do they really need an extra body there to hold the microphone? Is the NASL a welfare program for good looking women who know as much about SC as I do about quantum physics? ( I dropped general physics after a month )
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
July 09 2011 06:56 GMT
#66
On July 09 2011 15:38 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:36 MechKing wrote:
I said this in the different thread, but do the same thing as MLG. They really have it down right. Put big name games on the main stage, and then have a "player area" where the other players go and play their games. And put on two streams, one for main stage and one for the player area, have the different casting duos commentate the match, and that way there will almost always be some sort of games on.

yeah and while you're at it, change the name from NASL to MLG


Dreamhack did it too...

it's a trend that NASL has to keep up with to be up to par with other big tournaments
you live and you learn
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
July 09 2011 06:58 GMT
#67
On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses.

ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
July 09 2011 06:59 GMT
#68
Please let Tastosis cast the Grand final!!!!!!!!!!
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 07:02:18
July 09 2011 06:59 GMT
#69
On July 09 2011 15:52 Vinski wrote:
On the 9 weeks thing not only that but Open Tournament should be to get INTO the pool play not INTO the finals. Thats just freaking stupid. All that scheduling for the actual players for someone who didn't do that got into it from open and decides that he can take someone out in a simple bo3

Agreed, does the NHL or MBA play an entire season in order to enter the playoffs and play one game to advance in the tourney? No, they play the regular season out for seeding in the playoffs. IMO, this is exactly how NASL should work. They shouldn't be flying to a "finals", they should be flying to a playoff tournament.

I would definitely suggest what the person I quoted mentioned. Use a round robin system (4 players in each group), to see who advances to the round of 8 (top 2 advance). Seems pretty obvious that this should have been the format from the start. Whoever decided that the so called "finals" should have a best of 3 opening round should have had people shouting at him about how wrong that decision was.... You don't fly people all the way across the world to play a single best of 3 . You just don't...

Edit: To my last point... IN ANY COMPETITION, Not just Starcraft 2!
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
soulpoetry
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom177 Posts
July 09 2011 07:01 GMT
#70
maybe pick out the top 2 or 3 plays by a single player for their road to the finals section rather than basically all their games.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
July 09 2011 07:01 GMT
#71
On July 09 2011 15:58 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses.

ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?


well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.

NASL was a let down..
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
July 09 2011 07:01 GMT
#72
On July 09 2011 15:56 Particle wrote:
One last small bit of absurdity. Can Starcraft pros not summon enough mental fortitude to hold a microphone with their own hands, to their own face???? Do they really need an extra body there to hold the microphone? Is the NASL a welfare program for good looking women who know as much about SC as I do about quantum physics? ( I dropped general physics after a month )

having the interviewer holding the microphone is pretty common, not sure what you're whining about. there's really nothing wrong with the interviewer holding one microphone between him or herself and the interviewee.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 07:08:04
July 09 2011 07:03 GMT
#73
On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:58 johnnyspazz wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses.

ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?


well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.

NASL was a let down..

Put it this way, MLG has a 1000 plus player tournament in three days. NASL takes 8+ hours to get through the 16man opening round!
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
July 09 2011 07:06 GMT
#74
Test every set-up b4 start the event
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
July 09 2011 07:07 GMT
#75
On July 09 2011 15:58 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:50 AndAgain wrote:
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses.

ok, say each match on average is 20 minutes, i think that's fair. 8 series, a potential of 24 games, that means a total of 8 hours of games for a bo3. if you change it to a bo5, there's a potential of 40 games, meaning 13 hours and 20 minutes. how is it practical to increase the amount of content by 66% when you're under a strict time schedule?


Well I would rather have a losers bracket than bo5 but if they did do bo5 they could have done 2 streams (they already have 2 sets of casters) and less downtime between the matches.

I'm sure they could schedule a lot better and be more efficient. HSC was like 4 days, 32 competitors, had group stages, and a losers bracket. NASL finals are 3 days long, 16 competitors, no group stages, and no losers bracket.
you live and you learn
RockshellGW
Profile Joined November 2010
93 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 07:09:24
July 09 2011 07:08 GMT
#76
The biggest argument I have for a double elimination would be that we get to see more games in slightly more evenly matched bo3s. The thing about the losers bracket is that if you lose a match against the eventual champion FIRST round, then you're done, you get nothing even though its possible you would have placed SECOND had the matchups been slightly different.

For example, say we took all the winners from today and theoretically restarted the bracket with the winners all facing each other in one side of the bracket, and all the losers facing each other on the other side. Now the winners of on the loser's side of the bracket are guaranteed to place higher than what realistically happened, while the losers of the winners could have potentially placed higher but were subject to an unfortunate pairing.

Now keep the theoretic image in your head, wouldn't it make sense that we would see more exiting games between the winners side players and the losers side players, because they're more evenly matched? Sure its awesome to watch the Koreans go 2-0 in every match, but I want to see some more games from the players that got eliminated, almost none of them were able to show any kind of style. (White-ra esp comes to mind)

Also I don't like the set maps, InControl even said on stage that they were great maps, I disagree and even if I did like them it was really boring watching the same two maps get played all day.
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
July 09 2011 07:08 GMT
#77
On July 09 2011 16:01 SuperFanBoy wrote:
well they have 3 days, they could of spaced out the games over the 3 days.. i mean the final day its only the the final match and 3rd and 4th place match.. i mean thats 2-3 hours max and 9hours of nothing.

NASL was a let down..

i agree that the NASL showing was pretty piss poor, but honestly, the people complaining about the format are just upset fans who thought their favorite player deserved a second chance. there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament. i'm sure they could've definitely fixed the seeding but i'll say it again, there's nothing unfair about a 16 player single elimination tournament
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
July 09 2011 07:09 GMT
#78
Some of you guys are really close-minded about the bo5 suggestion. No where does it say all the first round matches had to be played in one day. They could have 1.5 days dedicated to quarterfinals, another days worth dedicated to semis, and half a day for the finals.
odder
Profile Joined April 2010
United States405 Posts
July 09 2011 07:11 GMT
#79
better lighting inside player booth

double elimination format

better response to audio issues

maybe include short pregame interviews when you bring the players on stage

place main camera on a separate platform where people dont walk on to avoid shaking
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
July 09 2011 07:11 GMT
#80
- delay
waiting 2 hours WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION heavily sucked

- sound
sound was a plain joke throughout the first 4 games i watched (it was too late by then, see point 1)
neither caster nor interviewer sound worked properly.
didn't they ever test the techsetup?

- observer
observer in first two games made me puke, i dunno what was going on
became better later on still was quite messy and missed a lot of stuff

- delay between games
the intro vids are a great idea, just highlight vids in sc2 are quite boring
and i didn't wanna see them after waiting 2 hours to finally see some games

+ streamquality
was better than freestream of GOMTV atleast
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