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scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
July 09 2011 07:39 GMT
#101
hotbit for observer and interviewer!

i believe a map pool and veto system for the first map and afterwards loser picks next map is a good system.

bo5 up to semifinal and bo7 from that point onwards. and make that double elimination. not only in order to make it a more fair system, but also to provide more games. white-ra vs boxer anyone?
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
July 09 2011 07:45 GMT
#102
Why is it only a BO3 if its the finals at the end of the season? Like most people, I suggest at least BO5 and/or loser bracket. As well, the audio quality was very bad... it fluctuated greatly.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 09 2011 07:46 GMT
#103
Bo3 is fine for the early stages. You'll see it ramped up tom.

The main prob is def audio. Starting on time would be nice to rectify.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 07:48:11
July 09 2011 07:46 GMT
#104
Day9 please don't scream with the mic very close to your mouth! It hurts our ears. Learn how far the mic should be away to properly broadcast.

This could also just be solved with a simple limiter on the audio levels. The camera i use at work even have this sort of function in the built-in sound recorder (~$10000 Camera). I dont think it unreasonable to have that function somewhere in all that sound equipment they showed pictures of tbh...

Also, after 8+ weeks of finding the best, most qualified players. It would be nice to have Bo5 even from Ro16 imo. This is, imo, what made TSL3 so epic.
God is dead.
tsularesque
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada226 Posts
July 09 2011 07:50 GMT
#105
Remind the interviewers that they're always talking to the person they're interviewing. They should address all questions to the player, not the translator.

Yeah, it takes some getting used to when you're doing it. But then it doesn't look like the player just happens to stand there. Think of when Artosis interviewed people with Jon translating.
Adzigari
Profile Joined January 2011
United States44 Posts
July 09 2011 07:50 GMT
#106
Most of my input is gonna be what has already been said, but first I have to say; I'm tired of seeing this elitist attitude, and "keep the big guys where they are cause I don't want to see anything else that I might not like" (ie. have tastosis cast the whole thing) when comparing the NASL to other events. This is the first big run for them, and look at how much has improved since the very start of this thing.

Let's stick with the constructive deal

- Definitely should be BO5 instead of BO3
- The sound issues were mostly fixed by the end, but it was all fluctuating for some reason
- The intro videos were cool, but a little too long.
- Hopefully things will be streamlined for next time so there isn't ~30 minutes between matches (again, like showing the intro videos while the players setup their booth, and having 5 minute breaks in between instead of 10+)
- The booths could be a little bigger and look better (they don't look terrible by any means)
- Not sure what was up with the cameras, but they were really shaky
- Random shots of the crowd would be cool


Despite all of the problems, the enthusiasm everyone had more than made up for it. Even watching it on the stream I felt really engaged, like I was there (even more than MLG). The storytelling was done really well, and I think it would only get better as time goes on.
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
July 09 2011 07:52 GMT
#107
-Needs group play
-Needs shorter hype videos
-Needs consistent audio
-Needs casters not named Gretorp
-Needs day9 to no scream into the mic
-Needs to not average less than 2 games per hour
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
July 09 2011 07:53 GMT
#108
If I didn't watch this event yesterday, I'd probably think it was held in ~1999.
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
July 09 2011 07:53 GMT
#109
When I watched the tsl, I felt like the obs was sitting next to the commentators and was showing on screen exactly what the commentators were talking about. Anytime there was a battle being described, I was watching it. It felt so smooth. NASL obs, not so much, I was getting the feeling like hey move to the middle of the screen, there's stuff happening!

I only caught a few games, but it definitely felt like the wait time in between was way too long
dagene
Profile Joined June 2010
United States75 Posts
July 09 2011 07:58 GMT
#110
having to pay 9 bucks a day for parking was a nice surprise

also they have these long breaks between series but players don't start up set up until after the lights dim and then we gotta wait even longer while the casters try to entertain. why can''t they get the setup going during the breaks??
Voltus
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia30 Posts
July 09 2011 08:00 GMT
#111

Maybe the event was a little bit Disorganised but most big events start out this way. I'm sure you will see improvement in the next season.

My Complaint, apart from the Obvious teething Bugs, was that people complained too much in the chat. Poor NASL workers were trying top do their best and the chat was giving hell.

the chat was off putting and distracting from the games. even when the games were on the chat complained on and on and on.
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
July 09 2011 08:07 GMT
#112
A lot of problems have already been beat to death in other threads, but to reiterate:

Number 1 seed vs. winner of the open bracket was a terrible idea, because a Korean who didn't get into league play won the open bracket. I'd even go as far as to say it's very much a possibility he's in the top 3 or 4 in terms of skill here. Bad matchup. Dunno an easy solution for this.

Today: Gretorp and InControl aren't bad casters, buuut... Day9, Tasteless and Artosis are PHENOMENAL casters. There's a reason every major event tries to get them to cast for them. When it's something like MC vs. BoxeR... we need to have Day9, Tasteless and Artosis, or some permutation of the three casting. Hopefully this won't be an issue further in the tournament.

I'm honestly a little sad that the GSTL threads barely break 150 pages, while NASL goes past 1000. The GSTL games are fairly well-casted, feature a great team format, and have DRG being awesome.

With the standard TSL, IGN PL and MLG Columbus set, it's gonna take a lot more than this, NASL.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
July 09 2011 08:07 GMT
#113
On July 09 2011 17:00 Voltus wrote:

Maybe the event was a little bit Disorganised but most big events start out this way. I'm sure you will see improvement in the next season.

My Complaint, apart from the Obvious teething Bugs, was that people complained too much in the chat. Poor NASL workers were trying top do their best and the chat was giving hell.

the chat was off putting and distracting from the games. even when the games were on the chat complained on and on and on.


There are only a few people in the chat compared to the multiple thousands watching the game. Even less actually chat within the chat. To address your complaint, simply ignore the chat. Stream chatters are pretty much entirely trolls anyway. Just close it, or better yet, don't open it to begin with. If you watch via TL and not on the JTV page it does not auto open.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:14:52
July 09 2011 08:13 GMT
#114
On July 09 2011 16:52 Teogamer wrote:
-Needs group play
-Needs shorter hype videos
-Needs consistent audio
-Needs casters not named Gretorp
-Needs day9 to no scream into the mic
-Needs to not average less than 2 games per hour


They had months of group play and play-offs...

edit:

My main criticism is also only having one best of 3 every hour. Maybe use the 4 booth system that GSL has?
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Ultimate Weapon
Profile Joined July 2011
United States132 Posts
July 09 2011 08:15 GMT
#115
For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?
(Ro8 onward would ideally be Ro5 and finals would be Ro7)

  • Bo3 Single Elimination
    As it is now. You fly all the way from Europe and get eliminated after 10 minutes.
  • Bo5 Single Elimination
    Similar to how it is presently, it takes longer to get eliminated.
  • Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination
    The Bo3 or Bo5 is dependent on logistics here. What is important is a player gets a chance to even out in the tournament at Ro16.
  • 4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin
    Each player has at least 3 matches in the Ro16. Sudden death tiebreaker. Top 2 advance to Ro8.


Poll: For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?

4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin (362)
 
55%

Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination (212)
 
32%

Bo5 Single Elimination (56)
 
9%

Bo3 Single Elimination (27)
 
4%

657 total votes

Your vote: For future reference, what format should they use for Ro16?

(Vote): Bo3 Single Elimination
(Vote): Bo5 Single Elimination
(Vote): Bo3/Bo5 Double Elimination
(Vote): 4 Groups (4 each ranked by seed) Bo3 round robin



God Young Ho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dark Stalker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
102 Posts
July 09 2011 08:16 GMT
#116
For those arguing for a BO5... I disagree. The only thing it would have done was extent the beatings that the foreigners received by about five minutes (considering how quickly their asses were kicked in most of the games), or alternatively allowed Alicia to come back. BO3 matches were the quickest way to weed out the crappy foreign players so the real games can start tomorrow when its Koreans versus Koreans. Given that we had three hour long delays fucked if I was going to wait for BO5 matches - I had my whole Saturday free expecting NASL to only take up a few hours in the morning but ended up waiting all day for Sen's game.
Darkybald
Profile Joined April 2010
46 Posts
July 09 2011 08:17 GMT
#117
#1 Follow Sundance's example and fucking admit that you screwed up big time and offer the people their money back or give them free passes for next season. Retweeting the few positiv tweets of how you are improving and "this is just ok for your first try", is just pathetic.
Dark Stalker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
102 Posts
July 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#118
On July 09 2011 17:17 Darkybald wrote:
#1 Follow Sundance's example and fucking admit that you screwed up big time and offer the people their money back or give them free passes for next season. Retweeting the few positiv tweets of how you are improving and "this is just ok for your first try", is just pathetic.


This. I'm definitely not going to be an idiot next season and purchase the tickets ASAP... I'll definitely wait and see what the feedback is next time. Nobody would have expected, with the amount of hype InControl had put in, how incredibly shit the quality of this tournament was going to be. My biggest complaint has always been waiting two whole fucking days after the rebroadcasts before VODs were put up whereas in the GSL you get them literally within the hour.
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 08:24:07
July 09 2011 08:22 GMT
#119
On July 09 2011 17:16 Dark Stalker wrote:
For those arguing for a BO5... I disagree. The only thing it would have done was extent the beatings that the foreigners received by about five minutes (considering how quickly their asses were kicked in most of the games), or alternatively allowed Alicia to come back. BO3 matches were the quickest way to weed out the crappy foreign players so the real games can start tomorrow when its Koreans versus Koreans. Given that we had three hour long delays fucked if I was going to wait for BO5 matches - I had my whole Saturday free expecting NASL to only take up a few hours in the morning but ended up waiting all day for Sen's game.


I feel the same way. A BO5 or double elimination won't change the results that much. The other thing is if they did any more than BO3s the tournament would last for over 12 hours. I also mainly saw BO3 complaints only when the fan favorite gets knocked out so there is probably a degree of bias when people are asking for BO5s or double elimination.
kalany
Profile Joined June 2011
United States149 Posts
July 09 2011 08:26 GMT
#120
You can't blame it all on NASL. The crowd seemed tired and dead. NASL's gotta focus on a better venue and production crew. That computer making that sponsored them was probably in charge and they didn't necessarily do a good job.

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