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On July 09 2011 15:39 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:37 Antithesis wrote:On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:Format- 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.
Totally agree on this. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a loser's bracket, a group stage or at least BO5s. There is no need to be able to cast EVERY game sequentially live on stage. And even if time was such an important factor, today's schedule could have been ten times tighter even with a more fair tournament format. the GSL doesn't have a loser's bracket, does that mean their tournament is unfair? honestly, people are just complaining about the format because their favorite player lost.
The GSL dosent fly people from around the world to the finals tho. Its a monthly contest so i dont really see the huge problem there
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On July 09 2011 15:40 MechKing wrote:
Do you not agree that this would be better?
i agree that MLG Columbus was way better than NASL day 1 but asking the NASL to basically copy the MLG format is ridiculous...
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please change the Bo3 to Bo5 or some kind of double elimination format
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On July 09 2011 15:39 SuperFanBoy wrote:
The waiting was the worst thing ever, the intro vids took sooo long.. they had more then enough time to do bo5's instead of bo3's.. I mean you fly people over from all over the world to compete atleast give them a proper chance with a bo5 or a losers bracket? Oh and did I mention the waiting? If it wasn't for tastosis I don't think I would of continued watching.
1hour between each series is kinda ridiculous.. and the frustration was clear from the fans at the event. I heard even the round of 8 its going to be bo3? I mean seriously bo3 for round of 8? why?
Yeah, that's true. It could've been a BO5 if they scrapped the intros and all the other fluff. I think everybody would prefer that.
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On July 09 2011 15:36 MechKing wrote:
I said this in the different thread, but do the same thing as MLG. They really have it down right. Put big name games on the main stage, and then have a "player area" where the other players go and play their games. And put on two streams, one for main stage and one for the player area, have the different casting duos commentate the match, and that way there will almost always be some sort of games on.
That is for a 150+ player open bracket and pool/bracket play tournament. this is a 16 player grand finals, why the hell would there need to be all that stuff?
On topic, double elim bo5/7 is a MUST
Sound quality is a MUST
Good lighting in booth is a MUST
Tripods.. use them
Less time in between matches is a MUST
More scripted, organized interviews
No screaming with a mic down your throat (?_?)
Crowd camera pans with cheerfuls/signs?
yeah
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On July 09 2011 15:39 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:37 Antithesis wrote:On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:Format- 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.
Totally agree on this. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a loser's bracket, a group stage or at least BO5s. There is no need to be able to cast EVERY game sequentially live on stage. And even if time was such an important factor, today's schedule could have been ten times tighter even with a more fair tournament format. the GSL doesn't have a loser's bracket, does that mean their tournament is unfair? honestly, people are just complaining about the format because their favorite player lost.
LOL, people are complaining because we only get to see players one time! Wtf was the point of flying over sheth who could've been playing for his team yesterday for only one bo3??? What's the point of flying morrow over, and ret, and alive, and WhiteRa etc etc. when they have to pay money to fly over and then they get knocked out first round.
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On July 09 2011 15:44 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:39 johnnyspazz wrote:On July 09 2011 15:37 Antithesis wrote:On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:Format- 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.
Totally agree on this. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a loser's bracket, a group stage or at least BO5s. There is no need to be able to cast EVERY game sequentially live on stage. And even if time was such an important factor, today's schedule could have been ten times tighter even with a more fair tournament format. the GSL doesn't have a loser's bracket, does that mean their tournament is unfair? honestly, people are just complaining about the format because their favorite player lost. LOL, people are complaining because we only get to see players one time! Wtf was the point of flying over sheth who could've been playing for his team yesterday for only one bo3??? What's the point of flying morrow over, and ret, and alive, and WhiteRa etc etc. when they have to pay money to fly over and then they get knocked out first round.
The point is they could've made 50,000 dollars but they weren't good enough to make it past the first round??
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Its sad that the players can easily cheat if they don't set themselves to busy.. atleast one player was honest to pause the game to turn it off because he had ppl pming him what his opponent was doing..
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On July 09 2011 15:43 PhaseTwo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:36 MechKing wrote:
I said this in the different thread, but do the same thing as MLG. They really have it down right. Put big name games on the main stage, and then have a "player area" where the other players go and play their games. And put on two streams, one for main stage and one for the player area, have the different casting duos commentate the match, and that way there will almost always be some sort of games on. That is for a 150+ player open bracket and pool/bracket play tournament. this is a 16 player grand finals, why the hell would there need to be all that stuff? On topic, double elim bo5/7 is a MUST Sound quality is a MUST Good lighting in booth is a MUST Tripods.. use them Less time in between matches is a MUST More scripted, organized interviews No screaming with a mic down your throat (?_?) Crowd camera pans with cheerfuls/signs? yeah
So we could get more than 8 bo3's in 12 hours :X
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On July 09 2011 15:26 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:20 Jono7272 wrote:Format- 9 Weeks of league play, travelling hundreds of miles, to just play 1 Bo3 is ridiculous. Double elimination or Bo5's in the finals would be more suitable.
While we are at this. Maps should be able to be eliminated, and have a losers pick afterwards. Whats the point of playing all the games on the same map. Also why is Ro8 only Bo3?
It was probably Xeris again who takes these amateur decisions. In the NASL Open tournament everyone played very outdated versions of the maps.
When I asked him why are we playing the ladder versions of Shattered/Meta, he replied: "They're the most common forms of the map. #_# ".
Everyone should take a look at the tournaments who had Xeris behind them: decent prizes but awful organization. This guy is a total amateur and I have no clue why he's still part of eSports.
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On July 09 2011 15:41 ragnorr wrote:
The GSL dosent fly people from around the world to the finals tho. Its a monthly contest so i dont really see the huge problem there
the bo3 format doesn't screw any of the players. do you honestly think a player has ever lost a bo3 because it wasn't a bo5? in a bo3 or bo5, the better player will win the series. sure it sucks to get eliminated after 2 games instead of 3 games but that's the player's fault for not playing their best. yeah, there could've been a chance the 0-2 player wins 3 games in a row and wins the bo5 3-2 but it's highly unlikely.
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On July 09 2011 15:46 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:43 PhaseTwo wrote:On July 09 2011 15:36 MechKing wrote:
I said this in the different thread, but do the same thing as MLG. They really have it down right. Put big name games on the main stage, and then have a "player area" where the other players go and play their games. And put on two streams, one for main stage and one for the player area, have the different casting duos commentate the match, and that way there will almost always be some sort of games on. That is for a 150+ player open bracket and pool/bracket play tournament. this is a 16 player grand finals, why the hell would there need to be all that stuff? On topic, double elim bo5/7 is a MUST Sound quality is a MUST Good lighting in booth is a MUST Tripods.. use them Less time in between matches is a MUST More scripted, organized interviews No screaming with a mic down your throat (?_?) Crowd camera pans with cheerfuls/signs? yeah So we could get more than 8 bo3's in 12 hours :X
You can get more than 8 bo3's in 12 hours without doing those things...
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On July 09 2011 15:35 Milkis wrote:
Watching this event makes me appreciate how professionally run MLG Columbus was.
Overall, the amount of delay between games were pretty inexcusable when they only had to prepare one game at a time... It's almost as if there was a power outage between every match.
Agree totaly. MLG feels so solid now & professional atm. Its the tournament I look forward to most.
Even weeks before i make up plans with family so nothing comes in the way of a MLG weekend :-)
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Yes, I think the format is a big issue. Bo5 is really just an extended Bo3 if one still lost in the first round. At least have it at double elimination.
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On July 09 2011 15:44 MechKing wrote:
LOL, people are complaining because we only get to see players one time! Wtf was the point of flying over sheth who could've been playing for his team yesterday for only one bo3??? What's the point of flying morrow over, and ret, and alive, and WhiteRa etc etc. when they have to pay money to fly over and then they get knocked out first round.
every single player had a fair chance of getting into the round of 8. sheth and all those players came win prize money and the title of NASL champion. i don't see why there's so much uproar over the format. yes, it sucks to be eliminated but when you don't play your best and get outclassed, that's what happens. how is getting eliminated in 1 bo3 different from getting eliminated in 2 bo3s?
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i actually like the msl(or osl forgot) system where it's 1 game a day. would be nice to be bo3 with 1 game a day or just plain bo5. i dislike double elimination and i strongly preach my disdain for it. it just kills hype when someone is coming from losers and actually has a disadvantage. real sports never gives hard disadvantages. home court advantage, sure. making a guy win 2 sets for finals, no. look at tsl3 it was amazing.
but yea i would like to see more then bo3 single elimination. bo5 is good, it's perfect for single elimination. then again they probably have time constraints or something.
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MLG and Dreamhack were both far superior then the NASL in terms of production and games.
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On July 09 2011 15:46 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:41 ragnorr wrote:
The GSL dosent fly people from around the world to the finals tho. Its a monthly contest so i dont really see the huge problem there the bo3 format doesn't screw any of the players. do you honestly think a player has ever lost a bo3 because it wasn't a bo5? in a bo3 or bo5, the better player will win the series. sure it sucks to get eliminated after 2 games instead of 3 games but that's the player's fault for not playing their best. yeah, there could've been a chance the 0-2 player wins 3 games in a row and wins the bo5 3-2 but it's highly unlikely.
The point is that a BO5 is always better than a BO3 if it's practical- which it was. The more games you play, the more likely the better player will win. And it wasn't all 0-2 loses, there were 1-2 loses.
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On July 09 2011 15:49 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:44 MechKing wrote:
LOL, people are complaining because we only get to see players one time! Wtf was the point of flying over sheth who could've been playing for his team yesterday for only one bo3??? What's the point of flying morrow over, and ret, and alive, and WhiteRa etc etc. when they have to pay money to fly over and then they get knocked out first round. every single player had a fair chance of getting into the round of 8. sheth and all those players came win prize money and the title of NASL champion. i don't see why there's so much uproar over the format. yes, it sucks to be eliminated but when you don't play your best and get outclassed, that's what happens. how is getting eliminated in 1 bo3 different from getting eliminated in 2 bo3s?
The fact is they had time to fit in more games, so why not? with so much breaks and long intro's they could of actually probably fitted in bo21's tbqh.
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On July 09 2011 15:49 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 15:44 MechKing wrote:
LOL, people are complaining because we only get to see players one time! Wtf was the point of flying over sheth who could've been playing for his team yesterday for only one bo3??? What's the point of flying morrow over, and ret, and alive, and WhiteRa etc etc. when they have to pay money to fly over and then they get knocked out first round. every single player had a fair chance of getting into the round of 8. sheth and all those players came win prize money and the title of NASL champion. i don't see why there's so much uproar over the format. yes, it sucks to be eliminated but when you don't play your best and get outclassed, that's what happens. how is getting eliminated in 1 bo3 different from getting eliminated in 2 bo3s?
You are very aggressive. Tone it down please. Losing 2 Bo3s at least gives you time to adjust and make more out of the trouble of flying in from somewhere outside US. Also its good for the fans.
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