EPTWhy do kids get the hate? - Page 11
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apm66
Canada943 Posts
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On June 26 2011 05:38 Nagisa. wrote: Haha, thank you for worrying but I'm very dedicated to my studies, I took the SAT in 6th grade so I should be fine. Sorry, but this makes me laugh and is a step towards proving that you are immature. It does not matter at what age you took the SAT. Anybody cant take it anytime. And even then, nobody cares when you took it, only what score you got. I will take a gamble and say that you are not a child genius. You did not fall fifty points short. In fact, you probably did quite bad. Your need to prove yourself to other people is a sign of immaturity. You just need to relax and step back. You're thirteen. You have plenty of time. Just keep playing and doing what you're doing. Within time the teams will come to you if you have the potential. Start off with ladder, z33k, and MLG. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
If you're a tournament organizer its not worth the time to ensure that your tournament is open to everyone 12 and up compared to the rewards you would gain. | ||
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DataMiner
United States104 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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WooChop
United States120 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:17 v1dom wrote: As a leader of an eSports team, I can give you a few reasons we don't accept or consider players under 18. 1. Contracts for persons under 18 have to be signed by a parent/guardian, and it's up to the parent/guardian to be responsible for the child. Imagine an underage player breaks their contract, and I literally have to call their mom to discuss legal ramifications of their actions. In my WC3 days, I had to do this once, and it was completely embarrassing for everyone involved, including me. 2. Due to the fact that most persons under 18 are in school, this presents issues with availability and reliability. MLG events, for example, always start at 10am on a Friday morning, when you're sitting in class (outside the summer months). Are your parents going to let you skip school to compete? Can you stay up til 1am for a match against a European team? 3. Children are erratic. Most kids (even ones taking the game seriously) have issues with a wide range of erratic behavoir and unreliability. Adults are (for the most part, but not always) stable, with stable schedules and the time and money to invest in their game without being reliant on anyone but themselves. You can't drive to LAN events (or anywhere). How will you get to the LAN event 3 hours from your house? Is your guardian's dedication to the game as strong as your own? 4. Travel to major events (interstate): Are your parents going to let you fly to MLG and other events alone? Most hotels require a person over 21 to be present in the room. Do you realize that I, your manager, would be legally responsible for you as your "guardian" if not accompanied by a parent? If you got hit by a bus, or lost in the city, or were just a pint sized hellion and went out on the town drinking, I would be legally liable for anything and everything you did. The players on my team are all grown adults - the definition of professionals - and I still reiterate to them that when they room with each other at major events, that I am not responsible for what happens in their room(s). 5. Many major tournaments require that you be 18+ to compete or accept prizes. These are just a few reasons. I certainly don't "hate on" underage players, but in order for me personally to consider a player under 18, their skill level would have to vastly outweigh the RISKS (and they are), I've outlined above. You mentioned Pokebunny in your OP. This is an example of a young man who is the "one in a million," with both the talent, professionalism and history to warrant being on a professional team. For every one Pokebunny (and he may be one of a kind outside Korea), there are probably thousands or hundreds of thousands who aren't. Edit: If you are the second in a million, with top grandmaster talent, a stable attitude (unlikely since you've admitted you've bad mannered in the recent past), parents who are completely understanding and supporting of your hobby, and willing to discuss year-long legal contracts, which will bind their 13 year old son to what amounts essentially to a close-to-full-time job, don't hesitate to e-mail me. Domino 4Kings Quoting this because it's probably getting passed up more than not. You may say that you don't think it will be an issue, but Domino has gone through that experience and would be a bit more qualified to speak about it. About the age issue, yes, it shouldn't be something for which people mock you. At the same time, it matters for other reasons (such as what is quoted above). You said that you can't play normal macro games on the ladder because you keep getting cheesed/all-inned. This makes me think of two things. First, your MMR isn't high enough to put you against the higher skilled players where you will get those games you want. Second, when you do finish a good macro game, go ahead and contact the guy you just beat/lost to and see if they would be up to do practice games. You don't need to be on a team to be able to have good practice partners. Enter in some of the open tournaments that go on throughout the week and build up your name and reputation. You may have to search for tournaments that won't ask age, but it's better than trying for the few you can't get in and never hearing back. If your parents truly do understand and support you in going into semi-competitive SC2, you can ask to use their PayPal account or whatever to receive the prize money if you win anything. The moral of the story is that you need to do a bit of work on your end. Let people know how good/responsible you are through your accomplishments and actions rather than starting a thread to talk about it. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On June 26 2011 08:30 stokes17 wrote: how do admins know if youre 13 or not? I'm assuming the SC account is in your parents name right? (can't see how u could have a debit card at 13...but i guess you could) Is it like when you go the movies when you're 14 and try and get a U12 ticket. "how old are you kid?", "12!", "ok". Was Pokebunny broadcasting his youth before he was a proven talent?? Actually, yes. Most people that I knew from TL had knowledge that I was 12-13 in my BW days. | ||
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eXwOn
Canada351 Posts
I guess times have changed to a more conservative stance. Back in BW I knew a 14 year old korean girl living in America who used to go to tournaments. | ||
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Belligerent
United States46 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:57 Warrice wrote: legal issues and parents can often be a problem as well, imagine if something in your real life happened right before a match that you agreed to play, like you got bad grades. some parents would not allow the player to play the games. some would, but the admins cant tell what kind of parents you have. Avoiding people under 18 helps avoid problems. I look at one thread on team liquid and it's the people's champ: Warrice | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:57 Warrice wrote: legal issues and parents can often be a problem as well, imagine if something in your real life happened right before a match that you agreed to play, like you got bad grades. some parents would not allow the player to play the games. some would, but the admins cant tell what kind of parents you have. Avoiding people under 18 helps avoid problems. No, it's not. It's clear all these tournaments are just racist against children playing SC2. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On June 26 2011 10:31 Ownos wrote: No, it's not. It's clear all these tournaments are just racist against children playing SC2.  racist =/= prejudiced | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
I was being sarcastic. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
I know you were. Just trying to help you use the correct word in your sentence. | ||
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Axx
Canada40 Posts
Edit: I think some people already mentioned this so im sorry for the brutality Also Just because ur a kid dont expect special treatment, show ur damn skill by winning online tournaments which are fairly easy to enter regardless of age... all people do these days is talk If mommy and daddy say no, QQ till they say yes | ||
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OhMyGawd
United States264 Posts
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Physical
Canada8 Posts
1. its in korea whitch its much more norm 2. much easier to play on a team in korea 3. the players were extremely good 4. if the players werent good they wouldnt be on a team sorry if this already mentioned i read most of the thread except like page 5 and 6. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On June 26 2011 04:17 v1dom wrote: As a leader of an eSports team, I can give you a few reasons we don't accept or consider players under 18. 1. Contracts for persons under 18 have to be signed by a parent/guardian, and it's up to the parent/guardian to be responsible for the child. Imagine an underage player breaks their contract, and I literally have to call their mom to discuss legal ramifications of their actions. In my WC3 days, I had to do this once, and it was completely embarrassing for everyone involved, including me. 2. Due to the fact that most persons under 18 are in school, this presents issues with availability and reliability. MLG events, for example, always start at 10am on a Friday morning, when you're sitting in class (outside the summer months). Are your parents going to let you skip school to compete? Can you stay up til 1am for a match against a European team? 3. Children are erratic. Most kids (even ones taking the game seriously) have issues with a wide range of erratic behavoir and unreliability. Adults are (for the most part, but not always) stable, with stable schedules and the time and money to invest in their game without being reliant on anyone but themselves. You can't drive to LAN events (or anywhere). How will you get to the LAN event 3 hours from your house? Is your guardian's dedication to the game as strong as your own? 4. Travel to major events (interstate): Are your parents going to let you fly to MLG and other events alone? Most hotels require a person over 21 to be present in the room. Do you realize that I, your manager, would be legally responsible for you as your "guardian" if not accompanied by a parent? If you got hit by a bus, or lost in the city, or were just a pint sized hellion and went out on the town drinking, I would be legally liable for anything and everything you did. The players on my team are all grown adults - the definition of professionals - and I still reiterate to them that when they room with each other at major events, that I am not responsible for what happens in their room(s). 5. Many major tournaments require that you be 18+ to compete or accept prizes. These are just a few reasons. I certainly don't "hate on" underage players, but in order for me personally to consider a player under 18, their skill level would have to vastly outweigh the RISKS (and they are), I've outlined above. You mentioned Pokebunny in your OP. This is an example of a young man who is the "one in a million," with both the talent, professionalism and history to warrant being on a professional team. For every one Pokebunny (and he may be one of a kind outside Korea), there are probably thousands or hundreds of thousands who aren't. Edit: If you are the second in a million, with top grandmaster talent, a stable attitude (unlikely since you've admitted you've bad mannered in the recent past), parents who are completely understanding and supporting of your hobby, and willing to discuss year-long legal contracts, which will bind their 13 year old son to what amounts essentially to a close-to-full-time job, don't hesitate to e-mail me. Domino 4Kings Perfection. i.e. What if you were invited to FXO to complete in the GSTL? Would your parents let you skip out on a month or two of school in 8th grade to compete? | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On June 26 2011 11:02 Oreo7 wrote: The condescension in this thread is painful. I respect some of the arguments presented, notably the legal issues, but the whole "I'm older therefore smarter" argument is painful. Stupid people can be 22. Smart people can be 13. All I see in this thread are a bunch of mid 20 year old guys talking so condescendingly to their past selves and talking about how "mature" they are now. Different people mature at different times. Some people never mature. It's time we stop judging people based on their age and find out whether they're mature or not on a case by case basis esp. when they have some level of skill or talent, as OP does. Where did smart and stupid come in to play? And sorry, but there are too many thirteen year old kids to go off a "case by case basis." I'll stick with stereotypes and generalizations. As many have said before, they exist for a reason. | ||
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