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Disclaimer: I have made lots of mistakes in my past regarding my attitude, I've even gotten banned on TL for dis-respect, which I am currently trying to change.
Hi guys, my names Nagisa and I'm a 13 year old 1400 Masters Terran player aspiring for a GSL win, but I find it extremely interesting that most tournaments are 16+ or 18+, why? I have to go out of my way, talk to admins for 30 minutes to hours, wait for responses that don't come. I don't understand just because some of us are immature means that the rest of us have to suffer? I know plenty of 20 year old's that act MUCH more immature than I do. Oh and the best part being if anyone ever catches wind of me being 13, I get hounded on, my ignore list is becoming my best friend on SC2.
What I'm trying to say here is that, kids should be treated the same in the SC2 community, just as we don't treat girls or other ethnicities with disrespect we shouldn't go out of our way to flame kids who don't know better. Based on this post, if I didn't tell you that I was 13, would you be able to tell? I think a lot of people portray anyone under the age of 16 as someone who doesn't understand grammar, or puts A LOT of ^.^ ;D =) in every sentence.
Same thing with teams, I can't practice against anyone or join a team JUST BECAUSE I'm not 13, the common response is, "We don't want to take the risk." What risk? I don't see any harm in trying me out, but just because I'm a certain age means that I cant even TRY? My voice isn't that high, the problem here is that teenagers or people under 16 HAVE PROVEN - Gosu.Pokebunny that they can compete. (Much respect to you) Everyone ravels at Pokebunny with words such as, a child prodigy, amazing, how can you do this at such a young age, and yet when ever another "child prodigy" tries to step in the scene hes immediately shot down.
I am sorry if this is generalizing people, but this is what I have seen in my days of SC2 so thanks for reading guys and I hope you have a g'day.
I'll leave you with the, Why do kids get the hate? question that I started it all off with.
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legal issues and parents can often be a problem as well, imagine if something in your real life happened right before a match that you agreed to play, like you got bad grades. some parents would not allow the player to play the games. some would, but the admins cant tell what kind of parents you have.
Avoiding people under 18 helps avoid problems.
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For one example there are often laws for children competing in these kinds of events across the world. Also knowingly letting children participate may increase legal liability if any thing bad happens, think sexual suggestions or the like.
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Hello Warrice,
There are plenty of people that no-show due to their jobs like a sudden-call up. I don't agree with the, anything could happen before a match statement, because there are LOTS of people have things happen before a match. 18 above and below are the same.
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Because if you run a team with 18+ people you can trust them to attend games/LANs while younger people are still ruled over by their parents. Also, people just love to hate on things, young age seems to be one of them. We got a 13 year old hanging out in our voice chat, he just got master so skill wise it should be alright.
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I think a lot of it has to do with immaturity, and the fact that teams can't really rely on a kid being there whenever they need him/her. People usually use 16 or 18 as a standard of independence and maturity level. When you're 13, you're much more dependent on your parents or guardians.
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Honestly from being a leader in a Counter Strike Source clan, we never allowed kids because most were annoying. It's nothing personal against them, but "most" don't have a lot of things relating to 18+ men and some women. We also didn't want "squeakers".
There is always an exception to everything, but the easier thing to do is just say "no one under 18". It saves time.
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Again, the thing with people not attending games or lans, PainUser just completely no showed the NASL one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world because of his conflicting job at IGN. (No hate on Painuser I love him.) Anything can come up for anyone.
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Starcraft 2 is 16+, isn't it?
So you are actually not allowed to play it. Maybe that's also part of the reason??
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Easier to just say 18+ and prevent any potential legal problems. That, and most kids are annoying even if they don't realize it.
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On June 26 2011 04:01 Nagisa. wrote:
Again, the thing with people not attending games or lans, PainUser just completely no showed the NASL one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world because of his conflicting job at IGN. (No hate on Painuser I love him.) Anything can come up for anyone.
That's the point. So why would people take even more of a risk with someone who has to ask their parents permission for stuff?
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While you may feel that you are mature for your age, and your ladder rating shows you're capable of competing in tournaments and such, I feel society in general just has a hard time giving credibility to just anyone. It's hard to trust someone who's relatively young for some people, simply because they can't imagine viewing someone younger as a peer or equivalent.
But there are other young members in the esports community who are around your age a 2-3years older, so stay strong, keep doing what you're doing, and one day, it'll pay off
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It was the same for me in WC3. Get over it.
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On June 26 2011 04:02 Mike-965 wrote:
Starcraft 2 is 16+, isn't it?
So you are actually not allowed to play it. Maybe that's also part of the reason??
no its not
its 12+ in europe
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On June 26 2011 04:02 Mike-965 wrote:
Starcraft 2 is 16+, isn't it?
So you are actually not allowed to play it. Maybe that's also part of the reason??
In the states its 13+. Dunno what its rated in your country.
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Looking at your post, and the manner in which it was written, you are clearly more intelligent and eloquent than the average 13 year old. However, people like you and Pokebunny are few and far between in the 16 and under crowd, and most tournament organizers would rather make exceptions to the rule for people like you than just broadly allow immature people into their tournament. As for people bming you or excluding you, its probably a combination of factors. Some just blindly hate kids in the same way racists hate minorities, while some genuinely are concerned about RL issues of some kind.
I wish you the best, and if worst comes to worst just give it time because you won't be thirteen forever.
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come back when you're good enough to have a shot at winnning tournament/ joining a sponsored team
otherwise I can't understand why you would be bummed by it all.
1300 15 yo master T !!!
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On June 26 2011 04:03 luckylefty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:01 Nagisa. wrote:
Again, the thing with people not attending games or lans, PainUser just completely no showed the NASL one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world because of his conflicting job at IGN. (No hate on Painuser I love him.) Anything can come up for anyone. That's the point. So why would people take even more of a risk with someone who has to ask their parents permission for stuff?
Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time.
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Before I say anything, you can act any age on the internet, with "sophisticated" writing. I know how you feel with being discriminated being so young. I used to deal with that on shooters back a couple of years. But all I got to say is have some patients. Don't rush growing up, it's not that great anyways. T.T
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On June 26 2011 04:06 Nagisa. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2011 04:03 luckylefty wrote:On June 26 2011 04:01 Nagisa. wrote:
Again, the thing with people not attending games or lans, PainUser just completely no showed the NASL one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world because of his conflicting job at IGN. (No hate on Painuser I love him.) Anything can come up for anyone. That's the point. So why would people take even more of a risk with someone who has to ask their parents permission for stuff? Again.. Not EVERY single child has to "ask their parent's permission" for everything. It's just another generalization, infact the majority of my friends 95% don't have to do that at all. I think a Job is more demanding than parents + public school. If anything 13 is where everyone should be hitting their prime, you have almost unlimited time.
You can't legally sign contracts. You can't legally drive. You can't legally hold a job, depending on where you live. You are dependent on your parents.
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